16:01:59 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig 16:01:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 8 16:01:59 2016 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 16:02:03 <rdieter> #topic roll call 16:02:12 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today? 16:03:22 <lupinix> .hello lupinix 16:03:22 * jreznik is here 16:03:22 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org> 16:03:26 <jreznik> (hello) 16:05:17 <rdieter> #info lupinix jreznik rdieter present 16:05:21 <rdieter> #chair jreznik lupinix 16:05:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik lupinix rdieter 16:05:31 <mbriza> hello 16:05:40 * pino|work is here 16:06:22 <rdieter> #info mbriza pino|work present 16:06:25 <rdieter> #chair pino|work mbriza 16:06:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik lupinix mbriza pino|work rdieter 16:07:35 <rdieter> moving on... 16:07:38 <rdieter> #topic agenda 16:07:43 <rdieter> what to discuss today? 16:07:57 <rdieter> probably should include f25 blockers (sddm) 16:08:38 <jreznik> yep 16:09:14 <rdieter> if nothing else (and have time): fedorahosted.org retirement (ie, need to move stuff elsewhere) 16:09:36 <lupinix> nothing special here, i'll be quite quiet anyway as i have to work 16:09:42 * heliocastro here 16:09:54 <rdieter> #info heliocastro present 16:09:56 <rdieter> #chair heliocastro 16:09:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: heliocastro jreznik lupinix mbriza pino|work rdieter 16:11:07 <rdieter> ok, lets get started... 16:11:12 <rdieter> #topic f25 blockers: sddm 16:11:26 * rdieter looks up bug # 16:11:37 <mbriza> 1382001 16:11:41 <mbriza> and 1392654 16:11:50 <rdieter> .bug 1382001 16:11:50 <zodbot> rdieter: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1382001 16:11:56 <rdieter> heh, ok 16:12:02 <rdieter> .bug 1392654 16:12:02 <zodbot> rdieter: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1392654 16:12:03 <than> present 16:12:06 <rdieter> at leaset we have a link 16:12:10 <rdieter> #info than present 16:12:11 <rdieter> #chair than 16:12:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: heliocastro jreznik lupinix mbriza pino|work rdieter than 16:12:25 <mbriza> 1382001sddmASSIGNEDLogging out from second user after switching users kills first user's session (with xorg-x11-drv-qxl at least) 16:12:30 <mbriza> ah, tabs, sorry 16:12:58 <mbriza> 1382001 sddm ASSIGNED Logging out from second user after switching users kills first user's session (with xorg-x11-drv-qxl at least) 16:13:02 <mbriza> 1392654 sddm POST Logging out from first user after switching to second user and then back to first user crashes SDDM 16:13:42 <mbriza> while i fixed (or i'd probably say worked around) 1392654 by "manually" switching the VT 16:13:49 <mbriza> i have no idea what to do about 1382001 16:14:20 <mbriza> i've spent basically all of today debugging it and have a vague suspicion it's caused by the driver but i have nothing solid 16:15:23 <rdieter> mbriza: would testing on bare-metal help narrow if it's driver-specific or not? 16:15:35 <mbriza> it doesn't happen o bare metal at all 16:15:57 <rdieter> ok, thanks, is that clear in the bug yet? 16:16:04 <rdieter> that it is specific to qxl ? 16:16:12 <mbriza> oliver has mentioned it maybe two times but his comments are rather long 16:17:03 <mbriza> adam confirmed that too 16:17:25 <rdieter> should we push for some bug status change? 1. re-assigned to qxl 2. (re)consider if it's blocker-worthy 3. some better idea? 16:18:46 <rdieter> (there's a chance qxl is still trigging a genuine sddm bug too, of course, but I guess that's hard to judge with evidence available so far) 16:19:08 <mbriza> it's really hard to debug and trace the source 16:19:14 <rdieter> mbriza: do you have advice on how best to proceed here? 16:19:18 <mbriza> maybe the driver guys would be able to tell us more about the problem 16:19:39 <mbriza> also, while testing the problem, it kept killing my (host-running) gnome boxes 16:19:59 <mbriza> could seriously be a bug in the driver that's propagated to the host too 16:20:06 <mbriza> however, no solid evidence :/ 16:20:26 <pino|work> what about trying to get xorg/qxl guys involved? 16:20:36 <rdieter> if it's not a driver bug, I wouldn't expect virt/boxes to crash though 16:20:41 * Rhea thinks that someone is on wrong timezone / summer time.. 16:20:43 <Rhea> o_o 16:22:21 <rdieter> ah, possible, my clocks changed this past sunday, I vaguely recall our choosing *not* to follow that in the past. if so, my apologies 16:22:37 <rdieter> Rhea: is there another meeting scheduled for now? 16:23:30 <rdieter> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/385/?from_date=2016-11-07 looks like I'm right 16:23:33 <heliocastro> I got lost too, my goole calendar saud that would start later 16:24:03 <heliocastro> I have one single annoying bug on my system, which is lock crashing on Qt 16:24:16 <rdieter> I'll make sure to get it right next week, to be mindful of that 16:24:33 <heliocastro> And i can't identify if is Qt the guilt one or the xorg that i downgraded 16:25:15 <rdieter> I think we have a small censensus that qxl devs should get pulled in on this (to at least help debug), any comment or objection ? 16:25:31 <heliocastro> Yes, is not our problem 16:25:44 <heliocastro> We can help to debug, but far to have manpower to solve 16:25:49 <mbriza> rdieter: +1 16:26:03 <rdieter> mbriza: can you reasign the bug (or do you want me to do it)? 16:26:22 <mbriza> i'll do it 16:26:29 <rdieter> thanks. 16:26:42 <rdieter> anything else on f25-related issues/blockers? 16:27:19 <Rhea> rdieter: not this time around, but on-schedule it is, weekly 16:30 UTC 16:27:20 * rdieter will make effort to start using f25 as default setup on laptop soon 16:27:34 <rdieter> Rhea: <nod>, thx 16:27:57 <rdieter> ^^ next week we'll start an hr earlier 16:28:13 <heliocastro> I think is just we should try to go with 5.7.1 or wait for an later update ? 16:28:22 * heliocastro thinks is too late 16:28:36 <rdieter> heliocastro: f25 is in final freeze, fyi, so... later :) 16:29:06 <rdieter> but could start working on it now (or just do rawhide initially) 16:29:20 <Kevin_Kofler> KDE SIG should normally be at 15:00 UTC, it started one hour late today indeed. 16:29:31 <heliocastro> I will do on copr first, i got some tips from buildsys guys very helpful 16:29:43 <rdieter> k, move on? 16:30:01 <heliocastro> move on 16:30:02 <rdieter> #topic open discussion 16:30:37 <rdieter> some small things from me... worked on qt-5.6.2 in copr last week, https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/kdesig/qt5-lts/ 16:30:59 <rdieter> and working well on my f24 box, so will probably start working committing to git and doing formal builds soon 16:31:08 <rdieter> for f24/el6 16:31:36 <rdieter> probably to skip f23 (too close to eol for any big updates) 16:31:55 <rdieter> and no el7 since qt5 is being pulled into core rhel 7.3 16:32:21 <Kevin_Kofler> I queued Calamares 2.4.4 to testing, a bunch of UEFI fixes, but there's still work needed to support shim so that grub2-efi-modules is not required on the base image (which is not present on stock Fedora live images). 16:33:06 <rdieter> I'll try to implement change to apper style patch to allow override via env var today too 16:33:23 <Kevin_Kofler> I still think you should just drop the hack entirely. 16:33:26 <Kevin_Kofler> It does more harm than good. 16:33:28 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: ^^ sorry for the delay 16:33:44 <Kevin_Kofler> It actually breaks rendering of the package details. 16:34:14 <rdieter> for you, unfortunately, I was not able to reproduce it :( 16:34:31 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe it doesn't show up for updates, I haven't done updates with Apper ever since plasma-pk-updates. 16:34:35 <Kevin_Kofler> Try searching for a package by name and viewing the details below. 16:34:42 <Kevin_Kofler> (description, URL, files) 16:34:47 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: ah, indeed, I only checked via updates 16:34:55 <Kevin_Kofler> For me, those only render if I either click into them or switched back&forth between description and files. 16:35:23 <Kevin_Kofler> And in any case, evidence that your "fix" for rendering glitches causes… rendering glitches should be enough to bin it! 16:35:25 <rdieter> still, I'm not sure that's serious enough to warrant dropping it, imo 16:35:47 <Kevin_Kofler> It's much more serious than the harmless glitch with the progress reporting that the "fix" was added for in the first place. 16:35:57 <Kevin_Kofler> And it also makes the app look bad. 16:36:12 <Kevin_Kofler> *the "fix" also makes. 16:36:17 <rdieter> my christmas wish: the style/layout issues get fixed properly, then we'd both be happy 16:36:27 * heliocastro has a complain to Kevin_Kofler for baptize "Convert old software" as "pulling an heliocastro" :-P 16:36:42 <Kevin_Kofler> ;-) 16:37:08 <heliocastro> I should rebuild WindowMaker just as a protest 16:37:33 <rdieter> oh, another item to mention : plans are to retire fedorahosted.org in a few months (feb 2017?), so our stuff there will need to be migrated elsewhere soon 16:37:54 <rdieter> stuff includes: fedora-kde-artwork, kde-settings 16:38:00 <heliocastro> will be EOL in favor of pagure ? 16:38:42 <rdieter> heliocastro: https://pagure.io , yes, I believe so 16:39:19 <rdieter> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5144 16:39:33 <rdieter> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedorahosted-sunset-2017-02-28/ 16:40:04 <rdieter> anyone interested in starting work on migrating content ? 16:40:28 <rdieter> fwiw, fedora-kde-artwork and kde-settings repos are/were still on subversion, for extra fun 16:40:46 <Kevin_Kofler> They'll need to be converted to git for Pagure. 16:41:17 <Kevin_Kofler> Pagure continues in the usual Fedora tradition of replacing well-working Free Software with newer software that is also Free, but with only a fraction of the features. 16:42:22 * Kevin_Kofler will miss Trac. 16:44:01 <heliocastro> Well, i hope pagure has some git lfs or annex 16:44:26 <heliocastro> pass this bibaries blobs ( images ) to pagure directly will not work 16:46:01 * heliocastro need to go 16:46:14 <heliocastro> See you guys 16:47:23 <mbriza> o/ 16:53:02 <rdieter> sorry, got pulled away on phone for a bit 16:53:35 <mbriza> so how will we do that, is there a support for groups on pagure or something like that? 16:53:38 <rdieter> looks like we don't have good answers right now, pagure might not be a good fit, particularly for artwork 16:53:58 <mbriza> oh yes, right on the front page, sorry for asking 16:54:00 <rdieter> i'll try to bring up the topic on list later 16:55:03 <rdieter> anything else? (otherwise I'll close meeting in a bit) 16:55:34 <mbriza> i assume we probably should have a group on pagure anyway 16:55:45 <mbriza> regardless of where we move the repos in the end 16:56:33 <rdieter> mbriza: yes, agreed 16:58:20 <rdieter> ok, thanks everyone 16:58:23 <rdieter> #endmeeting