13:08:47 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Team - 2016 Nov. 16 13:08:47 Meeting started Wed Nov 16 13:08:47 2016 UTC. The chair is jflory. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:08:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:08:47 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_team_-_2016_nov._16' 13:08:53 #meetingname diversity 13:08:53 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 13:08:59 #topic Roll call 13:09:00 .hello rhea 13:09:01 Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' 13:09:04 .hello jonatoni 13:09:04 jonatoni_: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 13:09:05 .hellp jflory 13:09:19 #chair Rhea jonatoni_ 13:09:19 Current chairs: Rhea jflory jonatoni_ 13:09:29 #chair jflory7 13:09:29 Current chairs: Rhea jflory jflory7 jonatoni_ 13:09:46 Still on phone, but figured I'd start roll call at least. 13:09:55 #info Radka Janek; UTC+1 (Brno) 13:12:21 jflory: same problem here 😝😝 13:12:51 .hello amsharma 13:12:52 Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 13:13:19 #chair Amita 13:13:35 hi jflory_ 13:13:42 #chair Amita 13:13:42 Current chairs: Amita Rhea jflory jflory7 jonatoni_ 13:13:46 Good morning! 13:13:51 good morning 13:13:52 Or, afternoon, for you :) 13:13:53 good to see you 13:14:00 it is late evening :) 13:14:18 Ahh, right, even later than I'm thinking. 13:14:44 #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-4? 5?; CommOps, Magazine, Marketing, Diversity, Ambassadors, sysadmin-badges, and more 13:15:12 * jflory admittedly has nothing prepared in time for today's meeting 13:15:20 consider changing it back to as it was 13:15:28 np jflory 13:15:30 Amita: Is this the original time, or no? 13:15:45 its 1 hr after the original time 13:15:49 I'm really mixed up with the time change still, I haven't been able to look at all my current meeting times yet to readjust them 13:15:52 because of DLS 13:16:08 Ahhh, okay - it's the normal time for me, but we could do an hour earlier 13:16:20 We briefly discussed in Telegram but didn't come to a firm resolution 13:16:34 jflory, :( 13:16:45 jflory, this is last meeting min. - https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-diversity/2016-11-10/diversity.2016-11-10-13.01.txt 13:16:56 agenda today should be deciding on dates 13:16:58 and mail to Bex 13:17:14 so that we can proceed on FAD planning 13:17:21 and tickets booking 13:17:42 Excellent. Let's not waste any time then. 13:17:58 Amita: Also, thanks again for chairing last week. 13:18:01 jflory, yes 13:18:04 #topic Action items from last meeting 13:18:05 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-diversity/2016-11-10/diversity.2016-11-10-13.01.html 13:18:24 haha UTC -4/5 13:18:38 #info === tatica Rhea jonatoni to go deeper in search of accommodation for FAD === 13:19:01 Rhea: Yeah, I think I'm UTC-5 now, but need to be sure... you think I would know this by now too. 13:19:30 jflory, this action depends on Amita to write mail to Bex for expense options for FAD 13:19:43 Okay, I see, and that's what we're going to be discussing today 13:19:49 i just go with utc+1 regardless of summer time or not 13:19:58 Since we are within budget with Vista Hotel i suggest to not change it 13:20:03 you rang? 13:20:39 #info Blocking on another action item before able to complete - Vista Hotel is still a valid option 13:20:43 the flow should be - 1. decide dates 2. send mail to Bex 2. Open individual trac tickets 3. Book air and accomodation 13:20:44 #info === Amita to write mail to Bex for expense options for FAD === 13:21:05 Ideally the best way is to have bexelbie pay for air tickets, etc. directly 13:21:07 bexelbie: o/ Are you free during the next 40 minutes? Maybe we could discuss in IRC if you are instead of emailing. 13:21:14 * bexelbie is here 13:21:28 Okay, cool! Then let's fly through these and get to the FAD discussion. 13:21:35 #info Will discuss now in IRC since bexelbie is here! 13:21:42 please say my name when it comes back around 13:21:46 * bexelbie goes back to expense reports 13:21:48 #info === Amita to comment again on https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/5514 === 13:21:52 Will do! 13:22:10 Amita: I see you got this one 13:22:16 jflory, yeah 13:22:17 #info Completed a few hours ago! 13:22:31 #info === tatica will inform council about Merge the data of Community_working_group with diversity team === 13:22:40 jflory, is it better if I just send that mail to bexelbie and he will reply us here 13:22:49 * jflory isn't sure if this happened or not? jflory is really behind 13:22:57 * Rhea waves at bexelbie 13:23:02 Amita: Ohh, you already typed it up, right? 13:23:06 yes 13:23:13 I haven't even had a chance to read it yet - probably best to go ahead and send it 13:23:33 Yeah, we just need to decide dates 13:23:35 I will read it during this meeting, although I think I will have to leave early - there is construction in front of my car this morning so I will have to take a bus 13:23:58 Will re-action this to tatica for follow-up later on. 13:24:06 #action tatica will inform council about Merge the data of Community_working_group with diversity team 13:24:08 #nick tatica 13:24:19 #info === bee2502 will write a mail on diversity list for survey === 13:24:37 * jflory is also unsure on this one 13:25:01 I don't see anything on the mailing list, so will re-action here too 13:25:09 #action bee2502 will write a mail on diversity list for survey 13:25:12 #nick bee2502 13:25:19 mail sent 13:25:45 #topic Tickets 13:25:47 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting 13:26:06 #info === Ticket #8 === 13:26:11 bexelbie, hey, will be great if you can check your mail with queries 13:26:18 #info "Planning a FAD event" 13:26:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/8 13:26:36 I'm going to go read it quickly as well 13:26:42 1. decide dates 2. send mail to Bex 2. Open individual trac tickets 3. Book air and accomodation 13:26:52 jflory, let's decide dates 13:27:15 * jflory nods 13:27:32 Amita: Did you happen to see some of the earlier conversation in Telegram? If not, I can rehash here very quickly 13:27:43 I recommend devconf dates 13:27:44 jflory, I suggest you rehash for the log 13:27:53 bexelbie: Yeah, agreed 13:28:02 which is jan27-29 13:28:08 not any extra day 13:28:11 before or after 13:28:26 I think 3 days are good enough to pull out our activities 13:28:33 jflory, what do you think? 13:29:21 So, I received more details about my study abroad program and it's different policies than it is in the US for my university. I don't know if I'll be able to commit to more than missing one day of classes, so I might either be late or leave early... it's undecided right now and I don't have enough information yet to make final plans, so you all should pick the dates that work best for you all. I think the day before and day after seems strong, thoug 13:31:13 jflory, you will join us, right? 13:31:14 My plans should be finalized at the end of the month and I'll know for certain what I can or cannot do 13:31:42 Amita: Yes, definitely, I will be there. :) But I may not be able to participate too far into the weekdays. I could probably either do all of Friday or all of Monday. 13:32:11 and Saturday Sunday? 13:32:18 Oh, yes, weekend too. 13:32:29 perfect 13:32:33 so 27, 28 and 29 13:32:39 that is what I am saying 13:33:08 Jan, if that was not obvious :) 13:33:27 bee2502, jonatoni ^^ Rhea ? 13:33:31 jflory, ? 13:33:36 let's vote? 13:33:42 Than you will miss Devconf, you will not have time to be there. What about other people that wants to join us but they want to attend also devconf? 13:33:46 Okay, I see. I think that would work well. Although we should take care to consider our time may not be as focused or plentiful on Saturday and Sunday 13:34:07 Amita : any dates are fine 13:34:15 Yeah, same thoughts as jonatoni_. It would be worth checking with mattdm and bexelbie for their availability too, because it would be great to have them there with us. 13:34:21 .hello bee2502 13:34:22 bee2502: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' 13:34:26 #chair bee2502 13:34:26 Current chairs: Amita Rhea bee2502 jflory jflory7 jonatoni_ 13:34:28 hey bee2502 13:34:28 bee2502: o/ 13:34:36 Are you asking for mattdm or me to be in this FAD full time? 13:34:38 I'm there as long as necessary... if i'm there 13:34:49 bexelbie, ofcourse not 13:34:52 Not full time 13:34:55 Also, consider that the FAD funding is not designed to send people to DevConf - if we can do that, great. But scheduling the FAD should be the priority. 13:35:11 sorry guys, I have been sick - Berlin is too cold - am working on the action item now 13:35:16 I don't think the full time of the FAD, but your input / presence for part of it would be great to have 13:35:23 bexelbie, we will have some discussion topics, queries, would like to have your guidance , may be 2 hours max 13:35:35 bee2502: No worries, thanks Bee! 13:35:38 bee2502, take care dear 13:35:52 bexelbie, +1 13:35:59 and jonatoni we can't target everything 13:36:07 Amita, then as long as there is flexibility there should be no reason we can't make ourselves available during hte actual DevConf event 13:36:14 FOSDEM Devconf etc should be secondary 13:36:47 bexelbie, that is the goal, and that was the actual thought behind putting devconf dates for FAD 13:37:43 jonatoni, agree with the point ? 13:38:28 bexelbie, meanwhile, The mail I sent, you will prefer answering on mail or here? 13:38:56 Amita +1 13:39:03 jflory, ? 13:39:44 email answered 13:40:00 Amita, if you wanted to discuss it here you should have done that originally as was proposed by jflory 13:40:08 Amita: The point about the DevConf dates? Yes, agreed on that – it was for the advantage of being able to grab people who would not normally be able to attend the event for advice or quick counsel. 13:40:28 If the group wants to we can put the questions and answers here for reference and further discussion - as I said earlier I am available now 13:40:57 The summary is - where possible I should pay for things directly. I may also pay for your expenses locally as they are incurred so that we can avoid reimbursements. 13:41:16 bexelbie : did you reply only to Amita ? I can't see any new mails in my inbox. 13:41:19 bexelbie, that mail was shared with the FAD participants, in hurry I did not mark CC everyone while sending to you :) 13:41:20 Visa letters should be started with DevConf.cz and if they cannot help, I will organize them via the local RH office. Please confirm who actually needs a visa letter. 13:41:31 bee2502, I will forward now 13:41:50 Amita, The email was only sent to me and Justin from you. I responded to both of you 13:42:33 bexelbie, oops that is confusing sorry, but I send to all before forwarding to you to ask if everything is fine and all questions were included 13:42:37 * jflory shouldn't need an invitation letter 13:42:39 bexelbie, I need a visa letter. 13:42:47 I just forwarded to all of you 13:43:19 bee2502, I presume Amita or someone will attempt to get them from DevConf.cz first 13:43:20 Amita++ 13:43:40 bexelbie, I can write to Chris and get that 13:44:39 cool 13:44:40 should we open our separate tickets in Pagure? 13:44:47 diversity pagure? 13:44:49 Amita, what pagure instance are you proposing? 13:44:56 let's use one that is for budget planning 13:44:57 one sec 13:45:07 bexelbie, https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues 13:45:14 bexelbie, Sure 13:45:50 Amita, let's plan to use the fedora-budget pagure for now - but I haven't got it configured properly for this 13:46:03 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget 13:46:04 Given that we don't need to buy the tickets yet - we have time 13:46:12 by then I will have figured it out :P 13:46:22 if we need to reserve hotels or things like this now, let me know via email and I will handle it 13:46:28 bexelbie, Sure, we are pushing just to get cheaper tickets, please take your time :) 13:46:51 Amita, in my experience tickets can be safely bought 4-6 weeks ahead and still be cheap :) 13:46:58 but if there is a fare sale now, let's get it 13:48:27 bexelbie, Sure, thanks 13:48:30 bexelbie++ 13:48:34 Amita: Karma for bex changed to 15 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:49:05 By the way as I mentioned before, it is worth going through London or Munich if you have a good flight to those, direct flights to Brno from there to avoid them trains/buses 13:49:27 jonatoni, will you be able to work on hotel booking, now that we know the dates 13:49:50 bookings should be from 26 Jan to 30 Jan 13:49:59 * jflory needs to leave to catch a bus 13:50:01 so I have a quick question(I am asking again since bex is here) - I might attend FOSDEM after FAD. In that case, can my tickets be India -> Brno and Brussels -> India ? 13:50:10 Amita: Will you be able to close out and send the minutes afterwards? 13:50:10 bexelbie ^ 13:50:18 jflory, Sure 13:50:37 jflory, run run 13:50:38 :) 13:50:39 bexelbie : or do they have to be, India -> Brno -> India 13:50:43 bee2502, yes, however we need to make sure that the ticket doesn't overrun the costs of India<->Brno without approval 13:50:49 jflory7 safe journey 13:50:53 Amita: Okay, thanks all. Sorry for not being around much lately, hoping to find some more time soon. 13:51:01 bee2502, you'll also need to ensure your schengen visa is appropriate for your whole trip 13:51:04 jflory, take care 13:51:11 bee2502, will you be purchasing the Brno->Brussels directly? 13:51:20 Quickest way to get my attention for the next couple of weeks is to email me at jflory7@fedoraproject.org. See you! 13:51:23 I am happy to work with you bee2502 on this to make it as cost effective for both groups as possible 13:51:33 jflory7, or telegram :) 13:51:53 bexelbie, I think it is good time to make my point as well 13:51:55 bexelbie : I checked, it is about 30 usd cheaper if I return from Brussels -> India rather than Brno-> India. But we can discuss this further definitely. 13:52:07 bee2502, cool 13:52:25 bee2502, we should also look at options for your Brno->Brussels flights to ensure that buying the package and splitting the cost doesn't save everyone 13:52:28 but yes we will explore it 13:52:37 and I will be as flexible as possible 13:52:41 Amita, your point? 13:53:02 bexelbie, I may come with my family (this will be confirmed after qecamp paper results) which is second week on december 13:53:35 My husband (SQA, RedHat) will get subsidy from qecamp (RedHat) for tickets and accomodation 13:53:54 bexelbie : Brno -> Brussels tickets depends on whether my talk is accepted. But I can travel by bus/cheapest fare so that it is definitely cheaper 13:53:59 so considering the point, how do you recommend bookings 13:54:52 Amita, let's talk - but please inquire in the India office that serves you as to whether they can do a cost transfer on a ticket for you that is part of a family travel and if there is a minimum amount in order to effect the transfer. different regions have different rules 13:55:09 Amita, it is sounding like a single purchase will be best, but we will need to see what the rules for India/APAC are 13:55:28 Definitely coordinate with me before tickets are purchased 13:56:06 bexelbie, it will be individual travel, but cost centres will be different 13:56:30 for me it will be Fedora budget, and for husband it will be qecamp 13:56:46 Amita, but presumably you want to be on the same flights and in adjacent seats :) 13:56:51 so having a single PNR may be useful 13:56:59 also if you have others traveling with you on a self-pay basis 13:57:16 bexelbie, that is why Red Hat Travel Agency can help, just need to tell them the details 13:57:30 Amita, please confirm the cost transfer rules before we start :) 13:57:36 with the cost center 13:57:51 bexelbie, with whom should I contact, the agency? 13:58:01 Amita, not sure someone in India finance, I presume 13:58:16 as an example, in the US cost transfers are generally not allowed for less than 1000 USD 13:58:21 don't know about the rules for APAC 13:59:10 bexelbie, we can different tickets in that case, I think rules will be same everywhere and agency will help us to get the same flight etc 13:59:33 Amita, rules are guaranteed not hte same everywhere 13:59:36 considering we are doing in much advance, it will not be very difficult 13:59:37 we have a different rule in EMEA 13:59:42 let's take this offline Amita 13:59:49 send some email and we will work it out 13:59:51 bexelbie, Sure 13:59:54 after the papers are confirmed :) 14:00:04 and may be some m*j* page can help 14:00:09 :) 14:00:22 bexelbie, yeah papers are big question :) 14:00:38 thanks for listening bexelbie 14:01:03 bee2502, hey considering jonatoni is not here, can you please take on the hotel booking task 14:01:04 my pleasure 14:01:14 we may miss out on good deals if we don't book timely 14:01:19 Amita, sure. 14:01:19 Amita, bee2502 have you all already selected a hotel? 14:01:27 don't forget I am local 14:01:30 bexelbie : Hotel Vista ? 14:01:32 also Rhea might be 14:01:34 bexelbie, it will good if it is VISTA 14:01:39 what dates? 14:01:43 where most of the devconf people will be there 14:02:14 26, 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 14:02:25 How many rooms of what type? 14:02:29 considering FAD on 27, 28 and 29 14:03:00 bexelbie, bee2502 and jonatoni can be in one room 14:03:15 bee2502, please reconfirm this ^^ 14:03:27 Amita : yes, that's fine 14:03:28 this was on FAD planning too though :) 14:03:42 thanks bee2502 , friends hmm :) 14:03:46 I remember we asked for 2 rooms 14:04:06 another room can be occupied by Justin 14:04:10 Sorry i had to run off to bathroom 14:04:26 bexelbie: Yes i'm in Brno, they know they can annoy me about stuff :] 14:04:48 but we need 3 I guess, 1 double room and 2 single rooms ? Amita bexelbie 14:04:51 I will stay with my husband if his paper will be accepted and will extend that room booking 14:04:55 Amita, so 2 doubles and 1 single? with a possible charge of 1/2 of a double to the QE person? 14:04:59 Amita, ok 14:05:07 will assume 2 doubles and 1 single for now 14:05:12 I can cost transfer back half a room 14:05:14 I will pay for any extra budget 14:05:25 bexelbie++ 14:05:28 bee2502: Karma for bex changed to 16 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:05:33 bexelbie++ 14:06:22 looks like a refundable rate of $54/night 14:06:30 non-refundable is $48/night 14:06:32 for either room type 14:06:35 of double? 14:06:43 breakfast is included 14:06:57 bexelbie, ok so 54x4 14:07:00 sorry 14:07:03 54x3 14:07:05 per room 14:07:05 yes 14:07:20 and 4 nights 14:07:25 so 54*4*3 14:07:44 ah right, seems you are doing such calculations often now a days :) 14:08:07 bexelbie - just to check, I hope it's usd and not eur 14:08:18 648 14:08:43 we had asked for 780 usd in fad budget 14:08:51 so we should be okay, I think 14:09:12 ok, I'll go ahead and block these rooms as refundable 14:09:36 is it USD? 14:10:14 yes, USD was what I quoted 14:10:22 I will prepay it .. but it is cancellable 14:10:55 Amita, bee2502 can you all please PM me your full name 14:11:01 Do you need any details to prepay ? bexelbie 14:11:51 bexelbie I sent you the full names of 4 of us 14:12:03 Everyone is non-smoking, right? 14:12:15 bexelbie yes 14:14:22 ok 14:15:06 $743.40 total 14:15:18 Free cancellation until 01/26/17 14:15:18 If you change or cancel your booking after 5:00 PM, 01/26/17 ((GMT+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague) you will be charged for 1 night (including tax) 14:15:46 bee2502, in case I forget - I made one mistake - your room is listed as one person and Justin's is listed as 2 people - this should not cause a problem as you all can just swap rooms :) 14:16:01 14:16:01 Free breakfast Free breakfast 14:16:01 Free WiFi Free WiFi 14:16:01 Free parking Free parking 14:16:22 bexelbie : hidden costs ? It's okay. we will swap :P 14:16:31 bee2502, pm 14:16:55 bee2502, should be no hidden costs and the rooms are prepayed ... I will attempt to be present at checkin in case they need a card verification. They shouldn't 14:17:15 bexelbie also, should I send you a mail regarding the flight tickets ? I wont know about fosdem results till end of Dec which will to too late for air tickets. 14:18:44 bee2502, the end of december is not too late 14:18:50 air tickets need to be bought 4-6 weeks in advance 14:18:59 let's coordinate on air tickets for everyone in the second week of december 14:19:33 bexelbie, by then we will open our tickets in trac 14:19:47 the link you shared bexelbie 14:19:49 Amita, please don't open a trac ticket until we have confirmed where it should be opened 14:19:56 bexelbie : I am not sure, since we will be flying a long journey and even small differences can affect the budget costs for fad. but yes, mid December should be fine. 14:19:58 I need to configure that pagure repo :) 14:21:44 bexelbie, Sure, will wait 14:22:37 ah , that is a long meeting 14:22:46 bexelbie++ 14:22:57 bee2502++ 14:23:02 .thank bexelbie 14:23:02 Amita thinks bexelbie is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bexelbie++ also) 14:23:05 .thank bee2502 14:23:05 Amita thinks bee2502 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bee2502++ also) 14:23:20 .thank Amita 14:23:20 bee2502 thinks Amita is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to Amita++ also) 14:23:26 .thank bexelbie 14:23:26 bee2502 thinks bexelbie is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bexelbie++ also) 14:23:44 but it is good to have it sorted in meeting, 14:23:58 #info bexelbie has booked rooms in VISTA for date Jan 26, 27 , 28 , 29 , 30 14:24:20 #action Amita need to talk to Chris for invitation letter 14:24:42 #action Amita needs to discuss with bexelbie on family ticket offline 14:25:37 #info We will open separate tickets for air travel booking in pagure repo once it will be up 14:26:06 bee2502, I think nothing is working as justin started the meeting 14:26:19 but we will have all this in logs atleast 14:26:36 if nothing else, let's end the meeting 14:26:50 It is already 30 mins over :) 14:26:56 at the count of 3 14:26:58 1 14:27:00 2 14:27:01 . 14:27:02 . 14:27:05 2.5 14:27:08 3 14:27:20 Amita, any chair can help I think 14:27:30 bee2502, I am also one 14:28:05 let's see if endmeeting works, else nothing but logs 14:28:14 #endmeeting