18:00:42 <smooge> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2016-11-17)
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18:00:43 <smooge> #meetingname infrastructure
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18:00:43 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:00:43 <smooge> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson
18:00:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:43 <smooge> #topic New folks introductions
18:01:00 <clime> hello
18:01:01 * nirik backspaces over his copy
18:01:06 <trishnag> .hello trishnag
18:01:07 <zodbot> trishnag: trishnag 'Trishna Guha' <trishnaguha17@gmail.com>
18:01:10 <bowlofeggs> .hello bowlofeggs
18:01:11 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: bowlofeggs 'Randy Barlow' <randy@electronsweatshop.com>
18:01:18 * doteast here
18:01:20 <puiterwijk> hi
18:01:21 <threenodedev> hello
18:01:24 <smooge> sorry nirik I thought you were pinged out
18:01:28 <smooge> .hello smooge
18:01:29 <zodbot> smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' <smooge@gmail.com>
18:01:53 <nirik> I'm here... the no/no-go is still going, but I can try and multitask. ;)
18:02:03 <sayan> .hello sayanchowdhury
18:02:04 <zodbot> sayan: sayanchowdhury 'Sayan Chowdhury' <sayan.chowdhury2012@gmail.com>
18:02:13 <aikidouke> .hello aikidouke
18:02:14 <zodbot> aikidouke: aikidouke 'Zach Villers' <zachvatwork@gmail.com>
18:02:23 <smooge> After people have met and gret are there any new people?
18:02:24 <smdeep_> .hello smdeep
18:02:25 <zodbot> smdeep_: smdeep 'Sudeep Mukherjee' <smdeep@gmail.com>
18:02:46 <threenodedev> smooge: I am new (Bradley)
18:03:27 <smooge> hello threenodedev
18:05:13 <smooge> ok any other new people? Or should I move on?
18:05:38 <smooge> #topic announcements and information
18:05:38 <smooge> #info Fedora 25 Final FREEZE still in effect - everyone
18:05:38 <smooge> #info more pagure migrations happening - everyone
18:05:39 <smooge> #info Next week is thanksgiving holiday in US. 24th/25th holidays - everyone
18:05:40 <smooge> #info NO meeting next week due to holiday - everyone
18:05:41 <smooge> #info Patrick and Kevin will be out at the PHX2 datacenter 2016-12-05 to 09 - kevin and patrick
18:05:43 <smooge> #info Holidays in december coming up as well.
18:05:45 <smooge> #info Dell Vortex systems are ready to be build servers after release
18:06:11 <smooge> Pretty much the meeting that Kevin is in #fedora-meeting-? will decide if we release enxt week or not
18:06:27 <nirik> we are go for release next week. ;)
18:06:35 <nirik> unless someone takes it back. :)
18:06:41 <puiterwijk> Awesome
18:07:51 <smooge> Next week is thanksgiving so even if we are a go, we will probably be in a slush freeze afterwords until the holiday is over.
18:08:10 <nirik> yeah, next thursday and friday are us holidays at least
18:08:29 <nirik> the week after that we should likely look at doing a mass update cycle.
18:08:44 <smooge> yay!
18:08:56 * relrod checks in from class
18:09:00 <nirik> get things up to rhel7.3... perhaps reinstall some fedora 24 stuff with 225
18:09:01 <Dubna_K42> newbie sends a hello.
18:09:03 <nirik> 25 even
18:09:04 <smooge> #info RHEL-7.3 and Fedora 25 updates
18:09:14 <smooge> Hi Dubna_K42
18:09:27 <puiterwijk> nirik: I think I missed some versions if we're at 225 :-)
18:09:47 <jcline> We entered a time warp
18:10:17 <smooge> ok any other info items for the meeting?
18:11:12 <smooge> #topic on-boarding new folks improvements - kevin / stickster
18:11:44 <aikidouke> fedora 225 the soylent green miracle?
18:11:45 * stickster peeks in from go/no-go
18:12:00 <stickster> aikidouke: if I see Fedora 225, someone will have to put me down
18:12:00 <nirik> it uses the new brain implants. ;)
18:12:12 <stickster> hee hee
18:12:13 <nirik> anyhow. :) On this topic
18:12:25 <smooge> but it won't install on the new Eye-Phone and people are angry
18:12:29 <smooge> oops
18:12:34 <nirik> If new folks could look at our getting started and other on-boarding docs and send feedback to the list that would be great.
18:12:46 <nirik> I think jflory7 was also going to try and look stuff over for us.
18:12:55 <threenodedev> nirik: will do
18:13:24 <nirik> we are trying to clean things up. ;)
18:14:30 <nirik> thats all I had for today on this
18:15:13 <smooge> thanks nirik. Anyone have any questions?
18:15:48 <smooge> #topic meeetbot status - kevin/abompard
18:16:00 <smooge> Meeeeeeeeetbot is our tool to log meetings
18:16:14 <nirik> so... there's been some progress here.
18:16:26 <nirik> abompard talked to the openstack folks who also maintain a fork of meetbot
18:16:38 <smooge> cool
18:16:44 <nirik> They are happy to cooperate with us, but they noted that they are going to be trying to move to a different bot someday soon
18:17:12 <nirik> http://errbot.io/en/latest/
18:17:26 <nirik> I'd never heard of it, so we need to perhps take a look and see what it's like.
18:17:45 <nirik> I'm going to see if we can't short term just get all our patches applied in one place and a release out.
18:18:20 <stickster> nirik: It looks like errbot has an active community and development is current
18:18:21 <smooge> what does debian use these days?
18:18:23 <stickster> which is nice :-)
18:18:37 <nirik> stickster: openstack wants to use it because it has other backends... telegram, slack, etc.
18:18:47 <stickster> nirik: that's not a bad deal either
18:18:58 <stickster> although for us, just not having a zombie upstream would be great :-)
18:19:03 <nirik> smooge: not sure. I think they do use meetbot... we could try and talk wwith them too
18:19:15 <smooge> zomb-bot
18:19:20 <nirik> well, Limnoria is not too dead... there are actual developers there.
18:19:49 <stickster> abompard said he's going to delve into errbot with the openstack folks to see what their porting experience was like
18:20:10 <stickster> nirik: true!
18:20:18 <nirik> I don't know if it will meet all our bot needs, but worth looking at.
18:20:55 <stickster> Although I do note Limnoria's docs are a little prohibitive: http://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/contribute/develop.html
18:21:18 <nirik> There's at least one (and probibly more) RFE on meetbot stuff if anyone wants to dive into some python too.
18:21:21 <stickster> anyway, not meaning to grind on this topic too much
18:21:32 * stickster wrote a supybot plugin, it can't be THAT hard
18:21:55 <nirik> indeed. I just wanted to note this for everyone. Feedback on errbot welcome. ;)
18:22:25 <nirik> anything else on this? or shall we move on?
18:23:17 <smooge> #topic plans for december/january - kevin
18:23:24 <smooge> We should move on
18:23:40 <nirik> right, so on this one...
18:24:00 <nirik> We had a bunch of things in the air. Do we know what might be actually landing after release?
18:24:15 <nirik> we should probibly do a mailing list thread on it since many folks aren't here.
18:24:25 <nirik> but things like fas3, wiki upgrade, etc
18:24:54 <puiterwijk> I'm at least planning to land the move from ssl -> krb on all koji builders, and an upgrade to Ipsilon 1
18:24:56 <puiterwijk> 2*|
18:25:21 <nirik> and we have a releng flag day on dec 12th.
18:25:30 <smooge> what does that mean?
18:25:32 <nirik> (which dgilmore is goign to send an announcement on I think)
18:25:52 <nirik> that everyone needs to update their tools packages before that day, on that day we will be:
18:26:42 <nirik> disabling koji certs in favor of kerberos, switching koji and pkgs ssl certs to be well known ones instead of self signed, switching source lookaside uploads to use sha256 instead of md5, and possibly things I have forgotten. ;)
18:27:06 <nirik> The wiki upgrade is waiting on scripting openid auth with it.
18:27:16 <nirik> Not sure where fas3 is. It was waiting on a security audit?
18:27:30 <smooge> cool
18:27:42 <puiterwijk> Audit on fas3 was done.
18:28:04 <nirik> hubs I don't know where we are...
18:28:14 <smooge> I will work week after break to get the vortex blades as builders so you can retire the IBM BC
18:29:18 <nirik> puiterwijk: can we stop using fas_client in favor of sssd also soon? or will that need more work?
18:29:42 <nirik> smooge: sounds good. Likely that will need some kind of crane to pull out... it's a beefy box.
18:30:19 <puiterwijk> nirik: that will need group sync from FAS to IPA. I hope to get on that reasonably soon
18:30:36 <smooge> I saw them remove one of them.. once you take the blades out and the other removables.. its only a couple hundred pounds :)
18:30:37 <puiterwijk> I was planning on waiting on fas3 for that though, since we'll have to back/forwardport it
18:30:42 <nirik> ok. Would be nice to not have to wait for that stuff to push out.
18:31:00 <stickster> nirik: fas3 was going to shoot for early Dec, but looks unlikely at the moment
18:31:03 <puiterwijk> nirik: yeah, I can do it in fas2 and then fas3 devs can just do catch-up
18:31:20 <nirik> stickster: ok. yeah.
18:31:41 <smooge> alright anything else on this?
18:31:43 <stickster> nirik: (sorry, referring to trying to get all the way to prod.)  If we can't do that, mid-Jan is next best target, since we don't want to do this immediately before holiday
18:31:46 <stickster> <eof>
18:31:55 <nirik> also, the holiday disclaimer applies:
18:32:15 <stickster> puiterwijk: thanks for finishing audit, pingou ^ fyi (although he's out next week)
18:32:22 <nirik> Many people will be gone/not around, so don't expect replies to queries immediately, and be patient and not break things for others. ;)
18:32:30 <stickster> +100
18:32:36 <wind85> :)
18:32:49 <nirik> thats all I had on this for now.
18:32:53 <puiterwijk> People will still get paged though. If you make us come in because you broke it, you owe a beer credit? :)
18:33:10 <smooge> in the past we try to make sure that there is a verbal +1 on irc just as a heads up that "oh crap I killed alfred" someone can bring back alfred
18:33:25 <aikidouke> and especially dont break things for others ;)
18:33:33 <puiterwijk> Yeah, there's a semi-freeze
18:33:50 <smooge> bowlofeggs, do you want me to bring up the next item on the list or is it now moot?
18:34:03 * aikidouke wonders if puiterwijk will accept doge-coin for beer credits?
18:34:31 <puiterwijk> aikidouke: probably, if it means you learn to not break stuff over the holiday :)
18:34:52 <bowlofeggs> smooge: i'm not sure. it seems we need python-cffi retired. i asked in #epel just now if we have to wait on the maintainer to do that
18:34:52 <nirik> so coin.
18:34:54 <puiterwijk> I will also accept a hand-written appology letter of at least 2 A4's
18:35:03 <nirik> bowlofeggs: I am going to go do it right now. ;)
18:35:05 <stickster> :-D
18:35:09 <smooge> #topic bodhi FTBFS on EPEL 7 - bowlofeggs
18:35:10 <smooge> #info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1396181
18:35:33 * stickster afk-bbiab
18:35:33 <smooge> There was a problem with builds that bowlofeggs found because we had not cleaned out the conflicts between RHEL and EPEL
18:36:03 <smooge> nirik is cleaning up that one and I will be looking at any others after I finish my paperwork for stickster
18:36:23 <bowlofeggs> can we administratively retire that package without waiting on the maintainer?
18:36:33 <nirik> bowlofeggs: yes, I am doing that right now.
18:36:35 <smooge> nirik is doing that
18:36:38 <bowlofeggs> fantastic!
18:36:48 <bowlofeggs> and will that take a while to propagate?
18:37:00 <smooge> probably 10 minutes after nirik gets it done?
18:37:05 <bowlofeggs> oh that's great
18:37:15 <smooge> since we don't rely on the mirrors to pull epel packages in
18:37:16 <bowlofeggs> ok i guess i can be considered unblocked then
18:37:19 <bowlofeggs> nirik++
18:37:27 <bowlofeggs> er, kevin++ ?
18:37:32 <smooge> though it may be the next compose?
18:37:41 <bowlofeggs> maybe i've already ++'d you
18:37:42 <smooge> bowlofeggs, you have given him all the cookies you can
18:37:53 <aikidouke> nirik++
18:37:53 <zodbot> aikidouke: Karma for kevin changed to 37 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:38:03 <aikidouke> got yer back eggs
18:38:05 <aikidouke> ;)
18:38:07 <bowlofeggs> haha thanks!
18:38:17 <bowlofeggs> aikidouke++ for ++ing nirik again for me ☺
18:38:18 <zodbot> bowlofeggs: Karma for aikidouke changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:38:59 * aikidouke saves the slapstick cookie giving routine for later
18:39:00 <bowlofeggs> i think we can move on from this topic then
18:39:04 <aikidouke> thanks eggs
18:39:20 <smooge> #topic Apprentice Open office hours
18:39:26 <smooge> Hello new people.
18:39:35 <nirik> bowlofeggs: should be good after https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=16497884 finishes I hope
18:39:43 <bowlofeggs> awesome
18:39:52 <smooge> Are you having problems with tickets? Have you problems getting to know things? This is a good time to bring them up
18:41:17 <threenodedev> smooge: I'm just starting to look around and it sounds like next week will be a good time to poke around and do some looking before I start.
18:41:40 <threenodedev> So... no questions yet... but they will come :)
18:42:05 <smooge> ok sounds good
18:42:08 <smooge> anyone else?
18:42:21 <aikidouke> not for apprentice...open floor?
18:42:49 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:43:05 <aikidouke> not really a discussion topic, but a security heads up
18:43:07 <aikidouke> https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.ch/2016/11/0day-poc-risky-design-decisions-in.html
18:43:19 <aikidouke> this doesnt have a cve#
18:43:28 <aikidouke> I just found it today and reported it as a bug
18:43:38 <aikidouke> this isnt the security team meeting, but fyi
18:43:57 <nirik> yeah. Not sure how big a deal it is... but good for everyone to adjust chrome settings if they use chrome
18:44:02 <aikidouke> it = the article
18:44:13 <aikidouke> seems to rely on tracker as well?
18:44:26 <aikidouke> anyway, sorry to be OT
18:44:52 <nirik> yeah, but if you tell chrome to always ask to download stuff you can be aware and not download random weird looking things. ;)
18:45:00 <aikidouke> ;)
18:47:56 <smooge> ok anything else . other wise time to close out
18:48:13 <smooge> #endmeeting