22:00:00 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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22:00:02 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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22:00:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call
22:00:04 <stickster> .hello pfrields
22:00:05 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
22:00:26 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
22:00:27 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
22:00:32 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
22:00:33 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
22:01:07 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch jflory7
22:01:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 ryanlerch stickster
22:01:22 <jonny_> .hello jonny_
22:01:23 <zodbot> jonny_: Sorry, but you don't exist
22:01:23 <jflory7> Good morning / evening! :)
22:01:42 <jflory7> jonny_: Try doing .hello <your FAS username> and it should work. :)
22:01:48 <jonny_> .hello jonny
22:01:49 <zodbot> jonny_: jonny 'Jonny Heggheim' <jonnyheggheim@sigaint.org>
22:01:54 <stickster> #chair jonny
22:01:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 jonny ryanlerch stickster
22:01:55 <stickster> o/
22:02:06 <jonny_> Thanks jflory7
22:02:12 <jflory7> jonny_: Yep, no problem. Welcome!
22:02:48 <stickster> #topic Last week in review
22:03:27 <stickster> So last week wasn't bad, about 44K views, which is roughly average
22:03:34 <stickster> that jibes with about 3 articles a week
22:03:52 <stickster> We need to drive more traffic next week around the release, and that shouldn't be too hard with the GA :-)
22:03:59 <stickster> speaking of which...
22:04:07 <stickster> #topic Special topic: F25 GA!
22:04:43 <jflory7> Whoooo!
22:04:43 <stickster> jflory7: did you want to address the release announcement?
22:05:27 <jflory7> stickster: Sure. I know we have the "What's new in F25 Workstation" article done and ready to go. It would be worth checking in on the release announcement now to determine the source and also the author.
22:05:53 <jflory7> bkp (Brian Proffitt) has done a lot of heavy lifting with the release announcement. I think it might be best to sync up with him to get the Magazine copy ready to go.
22:06:29 <jflory7> For the upgrade article, it's later than I wanted to have started on it, but I still plan to follow through on my original promise of no later than tomorrow, end of day for the upgrade article.
22:07:16 <stickster> jflory7: +1
22:07:52 <jflory7> Featured images will be needed for the upgrade article and the announcement.
22:08:47 * jflory7 can't think of anything else to cover here
22:08:58 <jflory7> We should be able to follow up with bkp tomorrow to get the Magazine draft going.
22:09:27 <stickster> I can do an image for the upgrade article... using a pattern from previous if that's OK
22:10:10 * jflory7 has no objections!
22:12:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: that sounds good!
22:12:11 <ryanlerch> i can do it up today too if you are too busy
22:12:46 <stickster> ryanlerch: I have some time, nowhere to be tonight
22:12:49 <stickster> let's split them uip
22:12:59 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do featured image for F25 GA announcement
22:13:07 <stickster> #action stickster do featured image for F25 upgrade article
22:13:33 <stickster> ryanlerch: the placeholder for the announcement exists already, so you can add the image there when ready
22:13:41 <ryanlerch> stickster++
22:13:43 <jflory7> stickster++
22:13:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: jflory7: Is there anything else we should cover on GA stuff?
22:14:47 <jflory7> I think it's just the big three articles, one of which is already scheduled. As long as we are on top of the announcement and upgrade article, I think we're good. We can discuss scheduled towards the end of the meeting.
22:15:56 <ryanlerch> typically, the announce goes out at the release time, right?
22:16:08 <ryanlerch> and the upgrade one an hour or two later?
22:16:27 * jflory7 nods
22:16:51 <jflory7> And we usually push those manually, as far as I can remember.
22:17:09 <ryanlerch> jflory7: yes, always
22:17:23 <jflory7> Sweet.
22:17:27 <stickster> sorry for being slow here guys -- dealing with an appliance delivery/installation here at home :-)
22:17:30 <jflory7> Nothing else here from me, then.
22:17:30 <stickster> I'm back now
22:17:33 <jflory7> No worries!
22:17:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: new fridge?
22:17:53 <stickster> ryanlerch: washer/dryer
22:18:02 <ryanlerch> :)
22:18:10 <stickster> jflory7: So should I schedule the What's New in F25 Workstation article for the Wed *after* release?
22:18:17 <stickster> that might make more sense than pushing all three in one day
22:18:28 <stickster> esp so we don't run short on the schedule
22:18:30 <jflory7> stickster: I was kind of thinking Monday, in prep for the release
22:18:39 <jflory7> Building momentum
22:18:50 <stickster> jflory7: I guess that would work too -- I would need to just tweak it to remove the reference to the release announcement
22:18:57 <jflory7> Ooh, yeah.
22:18:59 <stickster> it was designed to point to "get your copy today"
22:19:06 <stickster> sorry, s/announcement//
22:19:28 <jflory7> I see. We could do it Wednesday instead, but I think having release-type content at the start of the week will be good to do
22:19:46 <stickster> *nod
22:19:59 <stickster> I'm OK either way
22:20:11 <jflory7> #action stickster Update the "What's new in F25" post to remove reference from release announcement to "get it tomorrow!"
22:20:11 <stickster> #action stickster tweak What's New in F25 Workstation article so it can go out Monday
22:20:15 <jflory7> Whoops. :)
22:20:15 <stickster> oops
22:20:20 <stickster> *double-jinx!!!
22:20:26 <jflory7> It's kind of scary how often this happens.
22:20:29 <stickster> #undo
22:20:29 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 22:20:11 : stickster tweak What's New in F25 Workstation article so it can go out Monday
22:20:36 <jflory7> :)
22:20:38 <stickster> heh
22:21:33 <stickster> So, if I can suggest a special order for this agenda... (1) jonny_ is here about an article he proposed via our Feedback panel, might make sense to put that up front; (2) instead of running through the queues, target the schedule for next week so we can be confident of Thanksgiving week
22:21:50 <jflory7> Yup, I was thinking the same since we won't meet next week.
22:22:32 <jonny_> +1
22:22:39 <ryanlerch> +1
22:23:32 * jflory7 just read the suggestion!
22:23:54 <jonny_> I am the packager of Electrum, a Bitcoin wallet
22:23:55 <jflory7> This would be super cool. :)
22:24:02 <stickster> Cool
22:24:06 <stickster> #topic Electrum pitch
22:24:55 <jonny_> The review have been aproved, but we would like to wait for upstream to confirm some license questions before we import the package
22:25:34 <stickster> jonny_: makes sense.  Obviously we can give you space/perms to draft the article in advance, and hold the publication until ready
22:25:35 <ryanlerch> jonny_: are you thinking we publish the post when it is available in the repos?
22:25:45 <stickster> WE ALL HAVE ONE BRAIN HERE
22:25:59 <jflory7> This makes sense. Is there any kind of expected ETA for the final approval?
22:26:06 <jonny_> It depends on our audience
22:26:11 <ryanlerch> jstickryanflory7
22:26:21 <jflory7> :)
22:26:43 <jonny_> jflory7, I would say that I import it during the weekend, so it will be in rawhide soon
22:26:50 <jflory7> Oh! That's good to know.
22:27:01 <jonny_> The ETA for Fedora 25 depends on the testing
22:27:20 <jflory7> jonny_: Would you want to /tentatively/ set a deadline for a first draft on Friday, Nov. 25? And if all is well, maybe publish on Wednesday, Nov. 30?
22:27:45 <jflory7> Or closer to when it hits the stable repos
22:27:53 <jonny_> I think that sounds like a good date
22:27:59 <jflory7> Okay, awesome!
22:28:28 <jflory7> That would work well. Although I keep forgetting next week is a US holiday, but I'm sure if you are in the US or not. If you end up needing more time, it's not a big deal.
22:28:34 <jflory7> * I am not sure if
22:28:55 <jonny_> So then I write an article that expect the user to be able to install it for Fedora 25 from the released repo?
22:29:10 <jflory7> jonny_: I think assuming a default of Fedora 25 is fair.
22:29:30 <stickster> jonny_: Yes, correct
22:30:11 * ryanlerch wonders if we should monitor some of the new package imports to see if there is anything interesting we can write about like electum in the future
22:30:25 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Not a bad idea either.
22:30:32 * jflory7 notes we're at halfway point
22:30:40 <ryanlerch> jonny_: thanks for reaching out! it will be good to have more of this on the magazine
22:30:44 <jonny_> I noticed that mp3 libraries are showing up in the package database
22:31:03 <jflory7> Yeah, definitely! Thanks for bringing this to us, jonny_! jonny++
22:31:03 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for jonny changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:31:08 <ryanlerch> yeah, spot tweeted about that, but wasnt sure of the deets
22:31:16 <stickster> jonny_: Yes!
22:31:18 <ryanlerch> jonny++
22:31:19 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for jonny changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:31:24 <jflory7> Hmmm, wonder if spot would be interested in writing something for that... :)
22:31:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: that would be a really cool thing to appear in F25 Workstation What's New, huh
22:31:34 <jflory7> We had a *lot* of engagement on Twitter about it.
22:31:40 <jonny_> Great to hear that you want to include an article about Bitcoin/Electrum :)
22:32:45 * jflory7 does some quick markup for the minutes
22:33:02 <jflory7> #agreed Electrum article would be a great fit for the Magazine! +1, pitch is approved!
22:33:10 * stickster updates What's New
22:33:19 <stickster> +1!
22:33:30 <jflory7> #info Tentatively agreed on first draft deadline of Friday, Nov. 25, possible publication date of Wednesday, Nov. 30
22:33:35 <stickster> bitcoin + blockchain are huge topics in OSS now
22:33:49 <stickster> Anything else to discuss on this article?
22:33:55 * jflory7 has nothing else
22:34:02 <jflory7> I think we can jump into holiday post scheduling :)
22:34:43 <stickster> #topic Holiday schedule
22:35:25 <stickster> jflory7: so right now, we have a choice for tomorrow of either an Inkscape article (I don't know if one exists yet), or the Introducing Hubs article (done)
22:35:38 <stickster> Monday is What's New in F25 Workstation, iiuc
22:35:48 <stickster> Tuesday would be GA announcement, and upgrade article
22:35:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: lets go with the hubs one
22:36:17 <ryanlerch> was having issues with my gif animator this week, so wont have an inkscape one ready
22:36:20 <stickster> ryanlerch: Can do, do you think Inkscape for next Friday would be possible?
22:36:29 * stickster really was hoping ryanlerch would not be the one writing all these, though
22:36:29 <ryanlerch> next friday! for sure!
22:37:27 <stickster> okey dokey then
22:37:32 <stickster> So that leaves Wed/Thu
22:37:40 <stickster> I would say one more on Wed would suffice
22:38:19 <jflory7> Fri, Nov. 18: Fedora Hubs 101 (devyani7); Mon, Nov. 21: What's new F25 Workstation (stickster); Tue, Nov. 22: GA announcement (bkp?) + upgrading 101 (jflory7); Wed, Nov. 23: ???; Fri, Nov. 25: Inkscape series (ryanlerch); Mon, Nov. 28: HDYF (cprofitt); Wed, Nov. 30: Electrum / Bitcoin on Fedora (jonny_)
22:38:25 <jflory7> ^ this is how I'm seeing it right now
22:38:33 <jflory7> *?
22:38:46 <stickster> yup yup -- is cprofitt good for that 28th?
22:38:57 <ryanlerch> FWIW, we typically put mattdm's name on the announcmenet, right?
22:39:02 <stickster> ryanlerch: correct
22:39:09 <stickster> ryanlerch: feel free to fix that if I goofed up
22:39:20 <jflory7> stickster: We had originally aimed for Nov. 25 in channel, but I think we could probably push it back to Monday. He had one in progress he was hoping to share next week.
22:39:29 <ryanlerch> stickster: havent checked, was just confirming :)
22:39:47 <stickster> jflory7: makes sense... important point, I may not be around on Wednesday to edit and not sure about weekend either
22:39:56 <jflory7> I'll be available to edit next week.
22:40:05 <stickster> jflory7: so if we could get it by Mon/Tue I'm happy to help
22:40:16 * stickster sees jflory7 doing so many things and worries he's flat out
22:40:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: OK
22:40:41 <jflory7> That raises a good point that I wanted to mention, though.
22:41:18 <jflory7> I'll be able to do some heavy-lifting next week, but at the start of December until at least December 20 or so, my time will be barebones minimal with finals beginning.
22:41:20 <stickster> ryanlerch: I fixed it
22:41:36 <stickster> jflory7: ooof, yeah, that's to be expected
22:41:56 <stickster> Hopefully ryanlerch and I can pick up slack -- and/or start to get more things in the queue from other people
22:42:00 <jflory7> So I'm happy to do some extra work next week, but hopefully some others can help pick up for me for the first half of December. :)
22:42:26 <stickster> jflory7: you are a gentleman and a scholar, sir
22:42:36 <ryanlerch> #info jflory7 on hiatus from December 1 to December 20
22:42:48 <ryanlerch> jflory7++
22:42:54 * jflory7 thinks he has that in Fedocal, but will double-check to be sure
22:42:55 <ryanlerch> good luck with your exams!
22:43:05 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Thanks!!
22:43:07 <stickster> We should also make sure to have an on-deck plan for social media... typically I try to check at least 3-4 times a week whether the latest article had a media push, and if not, I do it
22:43:20 <stickster> happy to continue doing that
22:43:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, i regularly check too and post
22:43:39 <ryanlerch> i sometimes miss the telegram feed
22:43:39 <jflory7> Do you mean posting on social media or monitoring for engagement / interaction?
22:44:01 <jflory7> The ones I actively check on are FB + Twitter + Google+ + Reddit + Telegram.
22:44:17 <jflory7> With Tweetdeck, I've also been peeking in on our Twitter engagements and interacting with our followers
22:44:30 <jflory7> Not as much the case on Facebook or Google+, but Tweetdeck really makes it easy
22:44:56 <ryanlerch> jflory7: the IG feed is growing now too
22:45:14 <jflory7> Ooh, yeah, and IG too. I've tried doing the Stories thing and that's gone well too :)
22:45:21 * jflory7 took a page from the Mozillagram
22:46:12 <jflory7> Anyways
22:46:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm not on it
22:46:40 <jflory7> Any ideas on something we can fill Wednesday, Nov. 23rd with?
22:46:41 <stickster> jflory7: I mean pushing the article link to sm... FB + Twitter + Google are the sum of mine
22:46:43 <langdon> .hello langdon
22:46:44 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
22:47:02 <ryanlerch> stickster: we don't post to it with every magazine post like the others
22:47:02 <jflory7> stickster: Gotcha. I think we're doing pretty well with that – bkp definitely kicks butt on the days we miss too
22:47:18 <stickster> so... quick interjection here... you guys know the MS SQL article that ryanlerch is finalizing to go out any minute now
22:47:20 <ryanlerch> evening langdon
22:47:20 <jflory7> langdon: o/
22:47:38 <jflory7> stickster: Yup, I'm +1 to publish there.
22:47:39 <stickster> langdon has a similar process for Docker... I thought we could easily add that to a second article (I'm happy to write copy around it) and have that set up for next week ;-)
22:47:41 <ryanlerch> stickster: i should be off it now
22:47:52 <ryanlerch> added the image
22:48:02 <stickster> ryanlerch: brilliant! I'll push it now if jflory7 is +1 then
22:48:11 <stickster> get it out while the topic is hot
22:48:13 <jflory7> I am definitely +1
22:48:26 <stickster> there it goes!
22:48:29 <jflory7> stickster: If langdon is up to get something out in time for next Wednesday, that would be *awesome*
22:48:54 <stickster> langdon is almost done with the process I think... we just need to make sure it's verified on a clean machien
22:48:59 <stickster> *machine even
22:49:19 * jflory7 nods
22:49:28 <jflory7> Is this something we think we can deliver on for next Wednesday?
22:49:47 <langdon> it isn't terribly janky ;)
22:51:11 <langdon> its a docker container.. so it really shouldn't be hard to prove
22:51:15 <langdon> yeah.. i can probably do it tonight
22:51:16 <stickster> agreed
22:51:27 <stickster> jflory7: yeah, should be dead easy for me to write up copy around it in like 15 min
22:51:36 <jflory7> langdon: Okay, awesome! Then, on that note, here's what I propose...
22:51:38 <stickster> langdon++
22:51:38 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for langdon changed to 11 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
22:52:00 <langdon> stickster, ohh.. you writing the post? thats what i meant i could probably do tonight :)
22:52:05 <stickster> #info stickster just pushed the FB/G+/Tw for the SQL Server article too -- go forth and RT/share!
22:52:17 <stickster> langdon: oh, if you could it would be great, I have a few other things to write already
22:52:23 <jflory7> #proposed Fri, Nov. 18: Fedora Hubs 101 (devyani7); Mon, Nov. 21: What's new F25 Workstation (stickster); Tue, Nov. 22: GA announcement (bkp?) + upgrading 101 (jflory7); Wed, Nov. 23: Docker article (langdon/stickster); Fri, Nov. 25: Inkscape series (ryanlerch); Mon, Nov. 28: HDYF (cprofitt); Wed, Nov. 30: Electrum / Bitcoin on Fedora (jonny_)
22:52:26 <stickster> langdon: but if you can't, I can still do it
22:52:31 <jflory7> I'm obviously +1
22:52:42 <stickster> jflory7: +1
22:52:49 <stickster> this is looking solid as heck
22:52:55 <jflory7> +1000
22:53:18 <langdon> jflory7, btw.. i never got to telling you.. that modularity & containers article should go in the trash
22:53:35 <langdon> i have a copy somewhere anyway so I can rewrite it if i get to it
22:53:35 <jflory7> langdon: On the CommBlog? Okay, good to know, I will do so! Thanks.
22:53:57 <jflory7> ryanlerch: Above schedule sound good to you as well?
22:55:07 <langdon> jflory7, yeah.. sorry.. i thought this was about both..
22:55:14 <stickster> silence gives consent? ;-D
22:55:22 <langdon> umm .. fm.o just went belly up for me
22:55:39 <stickster> looks OK here
22:55:48 <stickster> I'll purge the cache to be sure
22:55:57 <stickster> still fine
22:55:59 <jflory7> Is also up on my end
22:56:09 <ryanlerch> +1 for the schedule form me
22:56:12 <stickster> langdon: computers are mean and do not like you
22:56:14 <langdon> downforeveryone says it is just me though
22:56:20 * jflory7 inks a pen to make it official
22:56:21 <stickster> :-)
22:56:27 <jflory7> #info Fri, Nov. 18: Fedora Hubs 101 (devyani7); Mon, Nov. 21: What's new F25 Workstation (stickster); Tue, Nov. 22: GA announcement (bkp?) + upgrading 101 (jflory7); Wed, Nov. 23: Docker article (langdon/stickster); Fri, Nov. 25: Inkscape series (ryanlerch); Mon, Nov. 28: HDYF (cprofitt); Wed, Nov. 30: Electrum / Bitcoin on Fedora (jonny_)
22:56:37 <stickster> awesome
22:56:37 <jflory7> \o/
22:56:50 <langdon> i keep seeming to get network bubbles the last 20m or so.. i thought it was just ssh.. but i think it might be wider
22:57:01 <stickster> hmj
22:57:23 <langdon> how long does it take for start.fp.o to pick up latest?
22:57:26 <jflory7> devyani7++ stickster++ bkp++ langdon++ ryanlerch++ cprofitt++ jonny++ Cookies all around to next week's authors. Looking like it will be a good week.
22:57:30 <stickster> #topic Open floor (all other business)
22:57:36 <stickster> Anything else we should cover?
22:57:46 <stickster> langdon: I think it takes at least a few minutes, maybe <= 30?
22:57:47 * langdon promises to stop distracting the meeting
22:57:56 <stickster> np langdon  :-)
22:58:03 <jflory7> Happy turkey day next week, for the Americans. :)
22:58:26 * stickster suggests everyone brine theirs for best results
22:58:36 <langdon> mmmm turkey
22:58:47 <jflory7> Oh, maybe one thing, as a consideration for a later time—
22:59:24 * ryanlerch might cook a kangaroo roast
22:59:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: +1
22:59:43 <jflory7> In mid-January, I'll be moving overseas until May, possibly August. The meeting time may or may not work for me after then, but we can check in and see how things are once January comes around
23:00:11 <stickster> jflory7: Oh good point -- we can definitely move this meeting around though... maybe something early morning US Eastern that wouldn't be too late for Ryan
23:00:26 * jflory7 nods
23:00:41 <jflory7> Heh, the team will almost be evenly distributed across the planet
23:00:56 <stickster> or we pick a night when you know you'll be around late anyway
23:01:01 * jflory7 nods
23:01:03 <stickster> either way... we'll burn that bridge when we get to it
23:01:16 <stickster> Anything else? I need to put out minutes and run upstairs, dinner has been served
23:01:32 <jflory7> Ooh, yeah, we're over time. I have nothing else, +1 to close. :)
23:01:45 <stickster> Thanks for coming everyone!
23:01:47 <stickster> #endmeeting