15:00:52 #startmeeting Prioritized_bugs_and_issues 15:00:52 Meeting started Wed Jan 11 15:00:52 2017 UTC. The chair is jkurik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:52 The meeting name has been set to 'prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 15:00:58 #meetingname Fedora Prioritized bugs and issues 15:00:58 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 15:01:05 #topic Roll Call 15:01:10 #chair jkurik mattdm mcatanzaro dustymabe sgallagh 15:01:10 Current chairs: dustymabe jkurik mattdm mcatanzaro sgallagh 15:01:27 Hi people, anyone around ? 15:01:42 about 50% 15:01:44 hello! 15:01:46 i am here but my network sucks 15:03:08 ok, lets see how it will work... 15:03:10 #topic Purpose of this meeting 15:03:16 #info The purpose of this process is to help with processing backlog of bugs and issues found during the development, verification and use of Fedora distribution. 15:03:21 #info The main goal is to raise visibility of bugs and issues to help contributors focus on the most important issues. 15:03:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/Prioritized_bugs_and_issues_-_the_process?rd=Fedora_Program_Management/Important_bugs_and_issues_process 15:03:30 #topic Evaluation of proposed bugs 15:03:35 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=6795225&namedcmd=FedoraPrioritized_Nomination&remaction=run&sharer_id=352756 15:03:41 So, currently we have two proposed bugs. Lets start with the first one: 15:03:51 .bug 1405539 15:03:51 jkurik: Bug 1405539 – changing the default keyboard layout changes also disk decryption in plymouth, but only after kernel update, long after - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1405539 15:04:00 #topic Bug 1405539 - changing the default keyboard layout changes also disk decryption in plymouth, but only after kernel update, long after 15:04:20 * mattdm looks 15:06:24 I think we should kick this one to Workstation WG for discussion 15:06:51 Who maintains plymouth? 15:07:16 me 15:07:45 not sure what the right answer is. we've historically avoided rebuilding the initrd outside of a kernel update 15:07:53 well, the solution should be decided by the Workstation WG, however if a user can not unlock his disk, it is a serious issue and I am +1 to put it to the prioritized list 15:08:18 it's also weird because if you pick an older kernel it will have the older layout 15:08:36 yeah 15:08:57 ok, so the issue is somwhere between plymouth and kernel ? 15:08:58 maybe we should put the keyboard layout in the menu entry 15:09:12 hard to say 15:09:14 halfline: in plymouth? 15:09:39 well i meant in grub, but putting it in plymouth is an option too 15:09:48 but harder since we don't include fonts in the initrd 15:09:52 Having it early and explicit like that seems like a good thing if it can be done without a giant rework 15:10:09 because there's also the possibility of switching keyboards 15:10:19 and there's the question of it control-center should force an initrd rebuild 15:10:27 i don't know 15:10:41 that can potentially have other side effects 15:10:47 forcing an initrd rebuild seems.... a bit scary 15:11:00 but it's the only way to make the change take effect 15:11:09 But we should not *solve* this here :) 15:11:14 fair enough 15:11:26 halfline: will you take this back to the Workstation WG / desktop team? 15:11:47 and I support jkurik's +1, unless you don't :) 15:12:15 yea, sure 15:12:20 thanks :) 15:12:24 actually maybe we can get rmarshall on this 15:12:35 he wants to start making plymouth experience better 15:12:40 seems like a good one for him 15:12:48 cool 15:13:18 halfline: may I ask you please to talk to rmarshall about this > 15:13:20 ? 15:13:35 yea i already pinged him 15:13:40 \o/ 15:13:46 ok next :) 15:13:53 proposed #agreed Bug 1405539 has been approved to the Prioritized list and halfline will talk about this bug to rmarshall 15:14:01 +1 15:14:21 #agreed Bug 1405539 has been approved to the Prioritized list and halfline will talk about this bug to rmarshall 15:14:27 .bug 1410175 15:14:27 jkurik: Bug 1410175 – python3 fails to start on a RHEL-7 kernel with Fatal Python error: failed to get random numbers to initialize Python - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1410175 15:14:31 #topic Bug 1410175 - python3 fails to start on a RHEL-7 kernel with Fatal Python error: failed to get random numbers to initialize Python 15:15:47 hmmm.. I do not understand why we should deal with a kernel used on RHEL-7 15:16:52 sgallagh: as you nominated the bug, may I ask you please to provide some backgroud, how RHEL-7 kernel is related to Fedora ? 15:17:28 jkurik: I guess it's an EPEL thing 15:17:38 jkurik: There are a number of projects throughout Fedora that are using RHEL/CentOS 7 based build VMs to run mock 15:17:48 but may also affect containers 15:18:06 ah, ok 15:18:09 I thought I remembered that COPR also had the same problem, but they may have switched to Fedora-based VMs 15:18:21 sgallagh: can you check if this breaks eg docker containers? 15:18:41 In any case, granting this priority is somewhat academic, as it's basically solved. 15:19:00 in that case, I am +0 :) 15:19:11 yeah, I am +/- 0 as well 15:19:21 mattdm: I assume it *will* break any Fedora-based container running on a RHEL/CentOS host, yes. 15:19:36 Any Fedora-based python application container, I mean 15:19:42 In that case, let's mark it as a prioritized bug for history :) 15:20:02 I think that's a a case we generally want to care about 15:20:15 if it is almost solved, and affects just rawhide, ... do we need to have it on the list ? 15:20:21 And should probably eventually add to testing 15:20:34 jkurik: need, no :) 15:20:56 in general though I think things in rawhide should be allowed on the list -- good to get them early 15:21:19 hold on i need to go afk for a minute to catch a bus (will have better wifi after!) 15:21:54 proposed #agreed Bug 1410175 has been approved for the Priority list, mostly to raise awareness and make sure this is properly tested 15:22:51 jkurik: +1 15:23:03 mattdm: you have a better wifi in a bus ? In what a magic country do you live ? 15:23:47 I think we can consider mattdm's statements above as +1 15:23:51 #agreed Bug 1410175 has been approved for the Priority list, mostly to raise awareness and make sure this is properly tested 15:24:00 lets do review of the already approved bugs: 15:24:05 #topic Review of the already proposed bugs 15:24:11 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=POST&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=ON_DEV&bug_status=ON_QA&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=RELEASE_PENDING&classification=Fedora&keywords=Triaged&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=6934003&product=Fedora&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=PrioritizedBug&status_whiteboard_type=allwords 15:24:19 #info from the list of the already approved bugs there is just bug 1399396 still unresolved 15:24:24 .bug 1399396 15:24:24 jkurik: Bug 1399396 – Plasmashell freezes - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1399396 15:24:29 #topic Bug 1399396 - Plasmashell freezes 15:25:03 jkurik: no, better wifi where the bus takes me :) 15:25:25 so, looks like there might be a patch 15:25:37 yeah https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/17732/ 15:25:40 I know ajax from the rh graphics team looked at this previously 15:25:47 but didn't find anything 15:26:13 I can ask him if he thinks the patch will help, and if so to use it :) 15:26:22 so, I will leave it as it is, as it seems like it is on its way to be solved soon 15:26:33 #info mattdm to ping some people, update bug 15:26:40 fwiw, there have been confirmations from other distros that the patch does help 15:26:45 rdieter_work: thanks! 15:26:58 perfect 15:27:05 rdieter_work: thanks for the confirmation 15:27:15 #topic Open Floor 15:27:23 anything else we would like to cover ? 15:27:31 rdieter_work can you note that in the bug (with links if you have them? 15:27:53 oh, I thought it had been mentioned already. will check 15:28:30 seems only in the upstream bug (and I think at least one other place) 15:29:00 there is already a refference to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99333#c5 where it is confirmed (at least from one guy) 15:29:47 anything else ? 15:29:59 i'm good. and I missed the bus so now I'm walking :) 15:30:09 :) 15:30:15 our system is not like brno where there will be another one in 2 minutes :) 15:30:40 your system improves your health 15:31:11 ok, so thanks for the meeting, I will close it in 1 minute, if nothing else appears... 15:31:44 ha 15:31:51 yes, thanks jkurik! 15:32:28 #endmeeting