15:01:04 <jkurik> #startmeeting Prioritized_bugs_and_issues 15:01:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 8 15:01:04 2017 UTC. The chair is jkurik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 15:01:12 <jkurik> #meetingname Fedora Prioritized bugs and issues 15:01:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_prioritized_bugs_and_issues' 15:01:18 <mattdm> whoa jkurik you were ready :) 15:01:25 <jkurik> #topic Purpose of this meeting 15:01:26 <jkurik> #info The purpose of this process is to help with processing backlog of bugs and issues found during the development, verification and use of Fedora distribution. 15:01:28 <jkurik> #info The main goal is to raise visibility of bugs and issues to help contributors focus on the most important issues. 15:01:29 <jkurik> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/Prioritized_bugs_and_issues_-_the_process?rd=Fedora_Program_Management/Important_bugs_and_issues_process 15:01:34 <jkurik> #topic Roll Call 15:01:45 <jkurik> #chair jkurik mattdm mcatanzaro dustymabe sgallagh 15:01:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jkurik mattdm mcatanzaro sgallagh 15:02:07 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 15:02:08 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 15:02:11 <jkurik> so, who is here for review of proposed bugs ? 15:02:58 <jkurik> mattdm: are you ready for the meeting or you need a break ? 15:03:06 <gnokii_> langdon: thats why I asked to add that as action item for famsco 15:03:25 <mattdm> jkurik: give me a few seconds for a "bio break" please :) 15:03:32 <mattdm> gnokii_: we're on to a different meeting here. 15:04:27 * mattdm is back 15:04:52 <langdon> gnokii_, feel free to file a ticket with famsco 15:05:21 <gnokii_> I will do 15:05:36 <jkurik> #topic Evaluation of proposed bugs 15:05:37 <jkurik> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=6795225&namedcmd=FedoraPrioritized_Nomination&remaction=run&sharer_id=352756 15:06:01 <jkurik> currently we have 3 proposed bugs 15:06:17 <jkurik> .bug 1340203 15:06:17 <zodbot> jkurik: Bug 1340203 – goa-daemon not stopped on logout, and gnome-keyring unusable on next log in - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1340203 15:06:34 <jkurik> #topic Bug 1340203 – goa-daemon not stopped on logout, and gnome-keyring unusable on next log in 15:07:08 <mattdm> ooh, this is an artifact of that systemd-user-session feature not being completed, isn't it :( 15:07:46 * mattdm reads 15:07:52 <mattdm> someone notes that this is also a bug on arch 15:08:25 <mattdm> and someone else says they can't repro on arch :) 15:08:26 <jkurik> yeah, it looks like it 15:08:26 <sgallagh> I've seen this occasionally too 15:08:33 <sgallagh> But not consistently 15:08:54 <sgallagh> I will note that a workaround is to launch seahorse and then just double-click on the "locked" keyring. 15:08:57 <sgallagh> At least, that works for me 15:09:25 <mattdm> sgallagh: seahorse is "passwords and keys"? 15:09:28 <sgallagh> yes 15:09:49 <jkurik> as I am using KDE I have not seen this issue, but I know some people around me complaining about issues with keyring 15:10:29 <sgallagh> Anyway, I'm definitely +1 on prioritized bug and I think it should also be proposed as a Final blocker under the assorted polish criteria 15:10:29 <jkurik> so it looks to me like quite spread occasioinal issue 15:10:47 <mattdm> I guess I personally see this as "annoying quirk", because now that user switching works so nicely i almost never actually log out without also rebooting 15:11:06 <mattdm> but there's quite a few duplicates 15:11:30 <mattdm> and it's proposed as a prioritized bug by a Workstation team member, which bodes well for finding someone to actually work on it 15:11:50 <jkurik> I am +1 to approve this as a Prioritized bug 15:12:21 <mattdm> I'm 0, but will accept your +1s given the above :) 15:13:19 <jkurik> proposed #agreed Bug 1340203 has been approved as a Prioritized bug (+1:2, 0:1, -1:0) 15:13:29 <mattdm> yep :) 15:13:29 <sgallagh> ack 15:13:46 <jkurik> #agreed Bug 1340203 has been approved as a Prioritized bug (+1:2, 0:1, -1:0) 15:13:53 <jkurik> .bug 1401217 15:13:53 <zodbot> jkurik: Access Denied - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1401217 15:13:55 <mattdm> #action mattdm will email rishi 15:14:49 <jkurik> ah, this was marked as a "Contrib Private" 15:15:07 <jkurik> can we have private bugs approved as Prioritized ? 15:15:19 <jkurik> does it make sense ? 15:15:20 <mattdm> jkurik: I'd say no 15:15:36 <sgallagh> jkurik: I think it makes sense for Contrib Private, since anyone who can fix it can see it 15:15:37 <mattdm> we should either make a new bug and mark it as a duplicate 15:15:43 <sgallagh> But in general, I'd say no 15:16:02 <mattdm> this is private because of the backtrace and logs, right? 15:16:13 <sgallagh> Likely 15:17:06 <mattdm> can we ask the bug reporter to review them and mark this as public? 15:17:28 <mattdm> The bug links to https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/1439816/ 15:17:52 <jkurik> proposed #agreed Bug 1401217 has been rejected as a Prioritized bug due to its "Contrib Private" status. jkurik to ask in the bug comment to open a new public bug for evaluation 15:17:58 <mattdm> although it's happening to that one person a lot, the overall problem does not seem widespread 15:18:30 <sgallagh> jkurik: +1 15:18:44 <mattdm> *plus*, it seems wayland related, and in F26 the procedure for people who experience bugs is "thanks for filing the the bug -- we want to fix them. for now, use Xx11" 15:19:26 <mattdm> I'm -1. It seems to be a real, meaningful issue, but not one that rises to the level we should be putting on the list 15:19:56 <sgallagh> mattdm: I was giving +1 to the proposed rejection 15:20:01 <mattdm> There are limited resources, and specifically, limited amount of favors I can burn leaning on people 15:20:16 <mattdm> sgallagh: Yeah, but I don't want to reject it for that reason and then come back with a harder reason later 15:20:26 <sgallagh> That's fair 15:20:39 <mattdm> jkurik: want me to write a new proposal? 15:20:42 <sgallagh> I'd probably reject it on the "subjectively not affecting many people" grounds 15:21:15 <jkurik> proposed #agreed Bug 1401217 has been rejected as a Prioritized bug as it is subjectively not affecting many people 15:21:20 <mattdm> +1 15:21:55 <jkurik> sgallagh: ^^ ? 15:22:36 <sgallagh> +1 15:22:49 <jkurik> #agreed Bug 1401217 has been rejected as a Prioritized bug as it is subjectively not affecting many people 15:23:00 <jkurik> .bug 1413306 15:23:00 <zodbot> jkurik: Bug 1413306 – Pointer speed on some Dell laptops (XPS 13, Precision 5510...) too slow with recent libinput (inc. 1.6) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1413306 15:23:15 <jkurik> #topic Pointer speed on some Dell laptops (XPS 13, Precision 5510...) too slow with recent libinput (inc. 1.6) 15:24:31 <mattdm> "seems like quite a lot of people have XPS 13s and are affected" -- adamw 15:25:15 <adamw> whot seems to have more or less decided this is down to display dpi at least in the case of hidpi xps 13 15:25:44 <mattdm> thanks adamw :) 15:26:20 <mattdm> I'm okay with making this prioritized to keep an eye on it, because the xps 13 is a high-profile target to keep working nicely 15:26:24 <sgallagh> The XPS 13 is getting extremely popular among Fedora users, given its highly Linux-friendly nature. 15:26:24 <jkurik> I understand it is anoying, however as I read it it affect only very specific hardware 15:26:26 <mattdm> but it looks like work is in progress 15:26:41 <sgallagh> jkurik: Specific but extremely popular. 15:26:50 <jkurik> ok :) 15:27:08 <mattdm> also, it looks like it's in hand 15:27:11 <sgallagh> I also have no problems with prioritizing a bug that's already being worked on, since if it gets fixed, it validates the Prioritized Bug process :-D 15:27:21 <mattdm> adamw: have you tried the scratch build from koji in the last comment? 15:27:25 <mattdm> sgallagh: heh 15:27:57 <jkurik> proposed #agreed Bug 1413306 has been approved as Prioritized bug as xps 13 models seems to become very popular and it might affects a significant user base 15:28:09 <sgallagh> patch 15:28:37 <sgallagh> proposed #agreed Bug 1413306 has been approved as Prioritized bug as the popularity of xps 13 models means that this issue will affect a significant portion of Fedora's user base 15:28:39 <mattdm> +1 15:28:47 <jkurik> ack 15:28:54 <jkurik> #agreed Bug 1413306 has been approved as Prioritized bug as the popularity of xps 13 models means that this issue will affect a significant portion of Fedora's user base 15:29:01 <jkurik> sgallagh: thanks 15:29:05 <sgallagh> Any time 15:29:23 <jkurik> that is all from proposed 15:29:56 <jkurik> lets do a quick review of the approved bugs 15:30:18 <jkurik> .bug 1405539 15:30:18 <zodbot> jkurik: Bug 1405539 – changing the default keyboard layout changes also disk decryption in plymouth, but only after kernel update, long after - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1405539 15:30:36 <jkurik> #topic Review of approved Bug 1405539 – changing the default keyboard layout changes also disk decryption in plymouth, but only after kernel update, long after 15:30:40 <mattdm> so, this hasn't gone anywhere since we last looked :( 15:30:55 <mattdm> Who do we need to get together? 15:32:49 <jkurik> Is not this a topic for Workstation WG ? 15:32:56 <jkurik> I am a bit unsure here 15:33:03 <mattdm> jkurik: yeah 15:33:17 <mattdm> it's currently assigned to halfline -- we can ping him 15:33:35 <mattdm> #action mattdm to email halfline about this one 15:33:49 <jkurik> ok, thanks 15:34:03 <jkurik> that is all folks 15:34:10 <jkurik> #topic Open Floor 15:34:26 <mattdm> I have a suggestion 15:34:35 <jkurik> go on 15:34:44 <mattdm> when prioritized bugs get resolved, let's keep them on the pager 15:34:46 <mattdm> page 15:35:07 <mattdm> in a "Solved problems" list 15:35:11 <mattdm> below the current one 15:35:14 <jkurik> for how long ? 15:35:18 <mattdm> forever 15:35:25 <mattdm> or until the page gets out of control :) 15:35:44 <mattdm> It helps show that this is effective 15:36:04 <mattdm> good for when you want to justify a pay raise, jkurik :) 15:36:43 <jkurik> not sure it will affect my pay raise, but we can try 15:37:03 <mattdm> jkurik: I can reconstruct the history so far if you want, or you can do it 15:37:14 <jkurik> I can do it, no problem 15:37:26 <mattdm> cool 15:37:50 <jkurik> so, if there is nothing more, I will close the meeting in one minute 15:37:58 <mattdm> nothing from me 15:38:08 <sgallagh> Sorry, got pulled away. I have nothing else either 15:39:31 <jkurik> #info when prioritized bugs get resolved we will keep them on the "Prioritized bugs and issues" list 15:39:47 <jkurik> thanks for comming 15:39:57 <jkurik> #endmeeting