15:10:05 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:10:08 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:10:15 <rdieter> hi all, and welcome.  who's present today?
15:10:16 <tosky> (hi)
15:11:07 <lupinix> hi everyone
15:11:30 <rdieter> #info rdieter tosky lupinix present
15:11:51 <jreznik> hey
15:12:13 <rdieter> #inof jreznik present
15:12:18 <rdieter> #chair tosky lupinix jreznik
15:12:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik lupinix rdieter tosky
15:13:06 <mbriza> hey
15:13:13 <rdieter> #info mbriza present
15:13:15 <rdieter> hi
15:13:17 <rdieter> #chair mbrize
15:13:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik lupinix mbrize rdieter tosky
15:14:30 <rdieter> #chair mbriza
15:14:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik lupinix mbriza mbrize rdieter tosky
15:14:31 <rdieter> even
15:14:33 <rdieter> haha
15:14:35 <heliocastro> here
15:14:41 <rdieter> #info heliocastro present
15:14:45 <rdieter> #chair heliocastro
15:14:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: heliocastro jreznik lupinix mbriza mbrize rdieter tosky
15:15:11 <rdieter> ok, let's get started
15:15:13 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:15:16 <rdieter> what to discuss today?
15:15:38 <rdieter> i've got: recent bodhi updates/status (kf5-5.31/plasma-5.8.6 in particular)
15:16:04 <lupinix> nothing special here
15:16:26 <jreznik> any update on official 5.9.x builds?
15:16:29 * heliocastro just want to know if can push 5.8 to rawhide
15:16:36 <heliocastro> Qt 5.8
15:17:58 <rdieter> ok, we can discuss both topics (added to agenda)
15:18:44 <rdieter> #topic recent bodhi updates (kf5-5.31, plasma-5.8.6)
15:19:13 <rdieter> got lots of positive feedback, on kf5/plasma in -testing so far, any objections to queue'ing stable ?
15:19:16 <rdieter> or other comments?
15:19:36 * lupinix uses it on 4 machines without issues
15:19:43 <lupinix> so i'm fine with stable
15:19:47 <rdieter> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-0f6aa187ff
15:19:52 <rdieter> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-5460cc282a
15:19:58 <rdieter> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-4ce7411a87
15:20:02 <rdieter> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-c262a33752
15:20:11 <jreznik> +1
15:20:21 <lupinix> only issue i had was the still pending kf5 5.31 => got the blackscreen, but that is fixed
15:20:23 <rdieter> links ^^, kf5 and plasma kinda have to go at the same time
15:22:11 <rdieter> #agreed push kf5-5.31/plasma-5.8.6 to stable updates
15:22:17 <rdieter> (will to after meeting)
15:22:22 <rdieter> moving on...
15:22:27 <rdieter> #topic plasma-5.9.x
15:22:52 <rdieter> jreznik raised a good question, "any update on official 5.9.x builds?"
15:23:06 <rdieter> I guess now is a good time to import into rawhide
15:23:10 <rdieter> (finally)
15:23:31 <lupinix> yes, i'm using the copr on one machine, works fine so far
15:23:34 <rdieter> anyone able/interested to help work on that?  (else, I probably can later this week)
15:24:07 <jreznik> 5.9.3 release is today afaik
15:24:17 * lupinix has to finish a deadline project until thursday, so maybe he can help on friday if he gets an introduction on build order etc. or any scripts
15:24:32 <jreznik> mkyral: ^^^
15:25:18 <mkyral> jreznik: i know. I'll rebuild once it's out.
15:25:28 <tosky> but I guess not for Fedora 24...?
15:25:33 <tosky> the LTS should be enough there
15:25:37 <tosky> not sure about 25
15:25:44 <jreznik> mkyral: I mean we're looking for volunteer for official build
15:25:47 <rdieter> rawhide only first, then we can consider f25, f24... probably not
15:26:15 <rdieter> f24 is a nice lts setup :)  (both Qt5/Plasma)
15:26:58 <lupinix> yes, for f24 we should stick with lts releases
15:27:46 <rdieter> mkyral: would you be interested in helping merge plasma-5.9.x into master/ branch in fedora git, and do official/koji builds?
15:28:09 <mkyral> jreznik, rdieter: not sure if i'll have the time to do the official build with all the whistles and bells around (changelog!)... :( also, i copr i have more freedom to do stuff like kicking a patch out instead of twisting it for the new release or not solving build failures in plasma-sdk and plasma-discover...
15:28:10 <rdieter> (would require granting acl's, but I'm very ok with that)
15:28:38 <rdieter> mkyral: ok, fair... when/if you change your mind and have copious amounts of free time, let us know  :)
15:29:26 <rdieter> regardless, I think we're in agreement that getting this into rawhide asap is a "good thing(tm)", so any kde-sig member able/willing to work on it is welcome to do so
15:29:36 <jreznik> we talked about it with mkyral that we might be able to help with updates :)
15:29:58 <mkyral> rdieter: of course I am happy to provide all the changes I made for it to build in copr and also my little handy build script
15:30:12 <rdieter> the initial 5.9.x merge will probably be the most work, doing minor/incremental updates after that should be easier
15:30:12 <jreznik> it's a long time ago I did it the last time, is there any tooling aka script still available?
15:30:47 <rdieter> jreznik: I used a hybrid of scripts.  one to do git updates, and another for chain-build
15:31:28 <rdieter> the latter, https://github.com/FedoraKDE/fedora-kde-frameworks/tree/master/scripts
15:31:30 <rdieter> build.py from there
15:31:31 <mkyral> rdieter: you're right. apart from the kf5-5.31 issue with plasma-workspace, the only work needed was changing a version in the spec...
15:31:46 <rdieter> i've used update.py too, but I prefer my own for that
15:32:33 <rdieter> https://fedorahosted.org/kde-settings/browser/scripts
15:32:56 <rdieter> build-it.sh can to .spec updates and build (I often comment out the actual build part, when using the build.py above)
15:33:04 <rdieter> s/can to/can do/
15:33:44 <rdieter> anything else on plasma-5.9.x topic ?
15:34:43 <than> present
15:37:45 <lupinix> nothing else
15:45:24 <rdieter> sorry, got pulled away
15:45:29 <rdieter> #topic Qt updates
15:45:36 <rdieter> heliocastro asked about Qt 5.8
15:46:10 <rdieter> I *think* based on previous conversations in #fedora-kde and queries to kde plasma devs, we wanted to hold off importing Qt 5.8 at the present time
15:46:49 <rdieter> I propose waiting at least for f26 branching, and then consider doing it then (and only for rawhide/f27 initially)
15:47:24 <rdieter> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/26/Schedule
15:47:31 <rdieter> heh, according to that, branching is *today*
15:47:44 <lupinix> yes
15:47:59 <lupinix> already recognized some prparations for that
15:48:03 <lupinix> *preparations
15:48:08 <rdieter> dang, was hoping to get plasma-5.9 in before the branch, *shrug*
15:48:27 <rdieter> #info than present
15:48:29 <rdieter> #chair than
15:48:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: heliocastro jreznik lupinix mbriza mbrize rdieter than tosky
15:49:09 <rdieter> heliocastro: does that mean Qt 5.8 is ready, and you can import it ?
15:50:03 <heliocastro> ok
15:50:23 <heliocastro> I need to finish webengine
15:50:30 <heliocastro> But is a matter to fix kevins patches
15:50:33 <heliocastro> is already building
15:50:41 <heliocastro> the other parts already ok in copr
15:50:53 <rdieter> sure, I think he (kevin) is anxious to help
15:51:07 <heliocastro> And i'm using at home with the webengine with no patches
15:51:25 <heliocastro> If Kevin wants to help, i just upload to copr and he fix from there
15:51:35 <rdieter> heliocastro: agreed
15:51:53 <heliocastro> I think he is more suited to that because the magic of the proprietary package
15:52:01 <tosky> I tried to ask for exact issues about Qt 5.8 from Plasma devs, I couldn't get specific issues, but I've seen frequent "oh, another issue from Qt 5.8"
15:52:15 <rdieter> tosky: +1
15:52:26 <tosky> on the other side, webengine bugs are only fixed there :/
15:52:46 <heliocastro> I think the main problem is that Martin left for a new company and loose time to actively make wayland work
15:52:47 * lupinix also got some confuse qt 5.8 complains from lxqt developers…
15:52:57 <tosky> heliocastro: it's not that
15:53:02 <rdieter> I know of 2:  1 concrete wayland regression (not a big deal for us probably), 2 there's at least 1 (or more) qml crash regressions too
15:53:12 <tosky> this is upstream Qt too, and not only wayland
15:53:16 <heliocastro> humm
15:53:22 <tosky> also, Martin is still committed on Wayland, from what I've seen on #plasma
15:53:43 <heliocastro> Yes, i know, it'sa just he had less time now
15:54:09 <heliocastro> I have mixed feeling now with 5.8 considering that already we have 5.9 alpha
15:54:12 <tosky> the problem is on Qt side (one *possible* future scenario -nothing written, if you are reading this, phoronix - is a Wayland QPA by KDE)
15:54:58 <lupinix> https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues/1257 one of thhem @lxqt
15:55:43 <lupinix> some other issues are already fixed by workarounds, but i have to backport the fixes
15:55:46 <lupinix> @lxqt
15:56:42 <rdieter> extra fun is that since 5.8.0 landed late, 5.8.1 will be skipped
15:57:04 <lupinix> so for now i'd like to stick with 5.7 @f26 branched and 5.8 only in f27/rawhide until things are sorted out
15:57:10 <rdieter> and upstream will only focus on 5.9 releases moving forward
15:57:22 <rdieter> lupinix: +1, agreed
15:57:40 <rdieter> any objection to the "wait for f26 branching, and import into master/rawhide" plan ?
15:58:13 <heliocastro> Agreed
15:58:19 <tosky> yep
15:58:31 <tosky> and probably f27 will end up with 5.9 anyway
15:58:56 <heliocastro> So i will keep 5.8 on copr for now
15:59:12 <heliocastro> And maybe start to pack 5.9 already even on alpha statge
15:59:14 <rdieter> #agreed wait for f26 branching, import Qt 5.8 into master(f27) branch then
15:59:25 <rdieter> heliocastro: agreed
15:59:59 <rdieter> anything else on the topic ?
16:00:28 <lupinix> nothing else here
16:00:39 <rdieter> moving on...
16:00:43 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
16:00:48 <rdieter> anything else to discuss today?
16:01:28 <lupinix> i'll investigate whether it is easily possible to backport qtwebengine security fixes to 5.7
16:01:40 <lupinix> i'm really unhappy with that situation
16:03:15 <lupinix> is 5.6 getting fixes as it is lts?
16:03:43 <rdieter> lupinix: good question, one would hope so
16:05:14 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm for just pushing 5.8 and seeing what breaks.
16:05:42 <Kevin_Kofler> But it needs to get into Rawhide first, obviously.
16:05:57 <tosky> but it already broke something
16:06:19 <Kevin_Kofler> Stuff will require 5.8 soon. QupZilla master (future 2.2) already does.
16:07:45 <rdieter> ok, we're out of time... so thanks everyone for coming
16:07:49 <rdieter> #endmeeting