12:03:47 <Amita> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting 2017-03-08
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12:03:55 <Amita> #meetingname diversity
12:03:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity'
12:04:36 <Amita> http://pastebin.test.redhat.com/462499
12:04:41 <Amita> #topic Agenda
12:04:47 <Amita> #info (1) Roll call
12:04:53 <Amita> #info (2) Announcements
12:04:57 <Amita> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
12:05:01 <Amita> #info (4) Tickets
12:05:06 <Amita> #info (5) Open floor
12:05:13 <Amita> #topic Roll call
12:05:49 <jwf> .hello jflory7
12:05:50 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
12:06:01 <Rhea> .hello rhea
12:06:03 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' <radka.janek@redhat.com>
12:06:30 <Amita> #chair jwf Rhea Amita
12:06:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita Rhea jwf
12:06:58 <Amita> bee2502, bexelbie around?
12:07:08 <Amita> Jona informed she will not be able to join today
12:07:35 <Amita> so we are just 3
12:07:49 <Amita> jwf, do we want to run the meeting today?
12:07:55 * jwf is waiting for his IRC connection to catch up
12:08:02 <Amita> btw Happy International Women's day
12:09:27 <Amita> I will wait for some time
12:09:42 <jwf> Amita: Afternoon :)
12:10:05 <Amita> jwf, morning :)
12:10:33 <Amita> jwf, just 3 of us, so let's cancel or do we want to catchup for few tickets?
12:13:09 * Rhea shrugs
12:13:09 <jwf> Amita: I wish I could say I had a more productive couple of weeks, but I don't have much to report. :(
12:13:18 <jwf> And yes, happy International Women's Day!
12:13:25 <Rhea> yey...
12:13:28 <Rhea> -.-
12:13:37 <bexelbie> .hello bex
12:13:40 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
12:13:47 <Amita> #chair bexelbie
12:13:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita Rhea bexelbie jwf
12:14:00 <Amita> so we can still run a quick meeting
12:14:09 <jwf> +1
12:14:09 <Amita> thanks bexelbie for joining
12:14:25 <Amita> #topic Announcements
12:15:04 <Amita> #info Flock 2017 Decision - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2017-CapeCod-proposal won
12:15:24 <Amita> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2017-CapeCod-proposa
12:15:31 <Amita> #undo
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12:15:35 <jwf> mizmo++ nb++ for their work on putting together both bids.
12:15:35 <Amita> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2017-CapeCod-proposal
12:15:45 <Amita> Indeed
12:15:51 <Amita> mizmo++
12:15:51 <zodbot> Amita: Karma for duffy changed to 14 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:15:56 <Amita> fedora women rocks
12:16:05 <Amita> nb++
12:16:05 <zodbot> Amita: Karma for nb changed to 11 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:16:53 <Amita> as the flock is approaching, we need to work towards some diversity tickets pending, we will discuss that in ticket section
12:17:49 <Amita> #info fedorahosted.org retired
12:17:54 <jwf> Ooh, yeah, revisiting ideas for our panel / discussion will be important to get a head start on.
12:18:14 <Amita> FedoraHosted.org was officially retired last week. All projects are either defunct or have migrated to Pagure or somewhere else
12:18:23 <Amita> jwf, +1
12:18:41 <Amita> this was from me for this section.
12:18:51 <Amita> Anyone else have any news to share, please feel free.
12:19:13 <jwf> #info 🎉 Happy International Women's Day! 🎉
12:19:25 <jwf> :)
12:19:34 * jwf doesn't have anything else
12:19:38 <Amita> oh yeah, and I got an award from Red Hat under Influence category.
12:19:44 <Amita> on Women's day
12:19:55 <jwf> Amita++ Awesome, congratulations!
12:19:59 <Amita> thanks :)
12:20:17 <Amita> #topic Action items from last meetings
12:20:40 <Amita> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-02-22/diversity.2017-02-22-12.00.log.html
12:22:01 <Amita> jwf will try to complete FAD report by next week and publish it
12:22:15 <jwf> Please reaction to me…
12:22:15 <Amita> jwf, where are we on this one ^^ ?
12:22:39 <jwf> I'm hoping for completion by Friday – I misjudged my time availability for the past week
12:22:39 <Amita> #action jwf will complete FAD report
12:22:54 <Amita> Sure, np
12:22:58 <Amita> thanks jwf
12:23:06 <jwf> I'm avoiding taking new actions so I can follow up on these important tasks this coming week.
12:23:07 <Amita> if you need any help, please let me know
12:23:12 <jwf> Amita: Surely will do!
12:23:16 <Amita> jwf, Sure
12:23:32 <Amita> next -  jwf Take feedback from meskarune about Arch Women and add insight to ticket #3
12:23:58 <Amita> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/3
12:24:12 <jwf> Another re-action here
12:24:12 <Amita> We can discuss this under ticket section if you want jwf
12:24:18 * jwf nods
12:24:25 <Amita> #action Take feedback from meskarune about Arch Women and add insight to ticket #3
12:24:26 <jwf> That might be helpful to see what we can do while waiting on research.
12:24:51 * Amita nods
12:24:56 <Amita> next - marinaz and bexelbie to sync up survey questions for Fedora Legal
12:25:42 <Amita> bexelbie, do you want to add something here ^^
12:26:14 <bexelbie> We both have assignments for pre-work before the questions can be submitted
12:26:29 <bexelbie> I can't speak for Marina, but I am behind on mine - I am sorry
12:26:42 <Amita> bexelbie, That is fine, no need to be sorry about it
12:26:54 <Amita> we can reaction
12:27:58 <Amita> everyone please be aware of that, this is just the normal meeting routine to go through the previous action items and not putting pressure :)
12:28:09 <Amita> so that we can just keep track of things
12:28:22 <jwf> +1. :)
12:28:22 <Amita> I will reaction this work item.
12:29:08 <Amita> we all do these contributions in our available time, so take it easy and try to do best as we can :)
12:29:47 <Amita> #action marinaz and bexelbie to sync up survey questions for Fedora Legal
12:29:58 <bexelbie> +1
12:30:05 <Amita> next - Amita to implement review comments for https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Fedora_Diversity
12:30:27 <Amita> I did not do it as I see the priority for this task is lower
12:31:05 <jwf> Hopefully by next meeting it will be something we can revisit and begin preparing to do.
12:31:06 <Amita> After the FAD report, we can plan for this post after few months as discussed
12:31:32 <Amita> jwf, +1
12:31:41 <Amita> next one is important
12:31:43 <Amita> council ticket for reserving a date for diversity team for reporting - tentatively put us on the hook for April
12:31:46 <Amita> This is on me
12:31:52 <Amita> I have questions about it
12:32:14 <jwf> Ah, yeah, and I pinged mattdm to follow up from the Council meeting, but I think I either missed his response or it slipped both of our minds.
12:32:15 <Amita> bexelbie, what exactly we are looking for this
12:32:28 <Amita> jwf, oh okay
12:32:38 <jwf> Brian can hopefully clarify.
12:32:53 <Amita> I tried to put down everything we have done as diversity team so far
12:32:56 <bexelbie> mattdm, manages the calendar, so I can't answer that
12:33:05 <Amita> but it turned out to be retrospective
12:33:08 <bexelbie> I know he is meetings all of this week and is slow to respond - so email would work best
12:33:25 <Amita> I will write to him CC our list
12:33:26 <bexelbie> I believe the Council wants to hear how the project is going and what challenges and success have been had
12:33:33 <bexelbie> It would also be nice to hear plans
12:33:35 <jwf> bexelbie: Would a ticket to book the date help for Council discussion?
12:33:51 <bexelbie> Honestly, the priority needs to be on getting that FAD report out :)
12:33:55 <bexelbie> jwf, I'd just email mattdm first
12:34:06 <Amita> bexelbie, so some part of my post can be used ? link https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Fedora_Diversity
12:34:14 <jwf> bexelbie: That's on my top list for this week
12:34:42 <jwf> Amita: Maybe drop an email to mattdm and see what he was looking for with regards to booking the sub-project report?
12:34:46 <Amita> jwf, so I will take this action item, to mail and to open ticket etc
12:34:59 <jwf> Ideally, we can begin mapping out our discussion once we know the timeline of when to prepare it for and what we want to include.
12:35:05 <Amita> jwf, Sure, I will prefer to keep team in CC too
12:35:16 <jwf> The retrospective has a notable start, but we'll want to discuss some of our future goals at another time too.
12:35:21 <jwf> Amita: +1, sounds good to me!
12:35:43 <Amita> jwf, I will open an etherpad and invite everyone to put in things, I will start the outline on the guidance given by Mattdm
12:36:31 <jwf> Amita: Sounds like a good start to me. Maybe a ticket for our own purposes too, just to work on preparing the sub-project report?
12:36:41 <jwf> Or to track our progress on it, rather.
12:36:41 <Amita> #action write mail to mattdm about diversity team reporting - Date and Status Content
12:37:00 <Amita> #undo
12:37:00 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by Amita at 12:36:41 : write mail to mattdm about diversity team reporting - Date and Status Content
12:37:13 <Amita> #action Amita to write mail to mattdm about diversity team reporting - Date and Status Content
12:37:47 <Amita> #action Amita to open diversity pagure ticket to track the progress of diversity team reporting to council
12:38:13 <Amita> #action Amita to create an etherpad and start outline of report and share it with team for feedback and input
12:38:27 <jwf> +1.
12:38:38 <Amita> okay, nice gifts for women's day :D
12:39:06 <jwf> Heheh… :)
12:39:17 <Amita> lol
12:39:22 <Amita> moving to next topic
12:39:24 <Amita> #topic Tickets
12:39:32 <Amita> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues
12:40:12 <Amita> #info Ticket 3 - Guidelines for reporting Code of Conduct violations
12:40:31 <jwf> Maybe only #3 for today, since #12 and #16 are blocking on some earlier actions.
12:41:11 <Amita> jwf, and we can include #10 if time permits
12:41:19 * jwf is flexible for that
12:41:29 <Amita> cool
12:41:54 <Amita> so as we see, there are lot of inputs given for #3 -  Guidelines for reporting Code of Conduct violations
12:42:05 <Amita> we have studies from different communities, pointers
12:42:34 <jwf> For this ticket, we were hoping to do a lot of research to better understand what other communities are doing, but it's proving more challenging to do this in an offline format. What might be helpful is setting some new goals or ideas for getting started on this so we can make progress, and compare against other research as we receive it.
12:42:51 <Amita> Twitter, djangogirls, Ubuntu and Mozilla etc
12:42:51 <jwf> We also have some people from other communities who are more than willing to be an active participant, such as cprofitt and meskarune
12:43:17 * jwf nods
12:43:31 <Amita> jwf, we have pointers and content in the ticket
12:43:45 <jwf> Definitely enough to make a start. :0
12:43:47 <jwf> * :)
12:44:01 <Amita> next practical step is to read the content and draw some guidelines
12:44:23 <Amita> One need a lot of time and patience to do that
12:44:26 <Amita> :)
12:45:00 <Amita> We can pick some really good and unique points from the pointers given and make a guideline sort of thing
12:45:22 <Amita> and put them in an etherpad and then rounds of feedback and collaboration
12:45:33 <Amita> I am not sure if this is a one person task
12:46:15 <Amita> we need to action ourselves separately to take 2-3 comments from the ticket and put the main things in the etherpad
12:46:20 * jwf thinks…
12:46:21 <Amita> That is what I can think of
12:47:14 <jwf> Amita: To get started, I think maybe we should write some questions for ourselves to answer about what we're trying to accomplish with this, and then let us shape what we put together by meeting the goals and comparing with other communities?
12:47:25 <jwf> For example…
12:49:00 <Amita> jwf, you are typing example?
12:49:17 <Amita> or you want to say above sentence is the example?
12:49:42 <jwf> Hmmm. I thought I had ideas, but now I have second guesses on some of my suggestions. But the idea I had by doing this is to help us define the "scope" of what we are trying to do and how it will help people, and then make sure we create a solution that accurately meets the goals.
12:49:57 * jwf would need more time to think about ideas
12:50:37 <jwf> I think just 3-5 questions would be plenty, but just enough for us to get the "big picture" of what this is trying to accomplish and how it will be helpful.
12:51:45 <Amita> jwf, I am not getting your point
12:51:50 <Amita> Ticket is - "Guidelines for reporting Code of Conduct violations"
12:52:16 <Amita> So clearly the goal is - We would like to outline how we are going to handle the issues reported
12:52:24 <Amita> This was the part of the FAD discussion
12:52:58 <Amita> we want to make our COC robust and expand it, so that we can easily handle the reported issues with the help of COC guidelines
12:53:35 <Amita> and that is why we are trying to study other communities , what they do and how they handle issues
12:54:07 <Amita> are we not clear here - what we are trying to accomplish?
12:54:12 <jwf> Right! So then the follow-up question(s) could be something like: (1) What is helpful for someone writing a report to enable the reader(s) to solve the problem? (2) What is important to protect the anonymity of the reporter? How should reports be considered for privacy? (3) What kind of end results to a report do we want to consider?
12:54:39 <jwf> This questions are general, but help us narrow it down to specific points, that we would then try to build the solution *around*.
12:54:43 <jwf> Does this make more sense?
12:55:01 <Amita> yeah, right , I get your point
12:55:07 <jwf> Err, * build the solution around these points
12:55:12 <jwf> Okay, great. :)
12:55:14 <Amita> thanks, was just trying to understand :)
12:55:30 <jwf> Yeah, I was trying to find the right words to explain it.
12:55:44 <Amita> I find this way we will be more closer to our goal in the ticket
12:56:05 <Amita> jwf, can I action you for write these questions in the ticket
12:56:07 <jwf> Amita: So we could maybe use ^ these questions as starters, and maybe consider other valuable points that would be consider (1) the reporter, (2) the people handling the report, and (3) the person being reported.
12:56:19 <jwf> Amita: Yes, that was exactly my thinking. :)
12:56:26 <jwf> Amita: Yes, action away!
12:56:40 <Amita> jwf, and then we need to look for answers as well
12:57:07 <Amita> so we can do case study kind of approach here, we read the content and answer these questions
12:57:19 <Amita> cool
12:57:44 <Amita> #action jwf to file away questions for #3 - - Guidelines for reporting Code of Conduct violations
12:57:50 <Amita> .thank jwf
12:57:50 <zodbot> Amita thinks jwf is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jwf++ also)
12:57:52 <jwf> Amita: +1. :)
12:57:54 <Amita> very few mins left
12:57:56 <jwf> #meetingtopic Fedora Diversity Team meeting 2017-03-08
12:58:00 <Amita> lets go to openfloor
12:58:07 <jwf> Sounds good to me.
12:58:22 <Amita> jwf, I have done then at the beginning
12:58:24 * jwf noticed the meeting topic was for Marketing meeting, just a quick fix before closing :)
12:58:37 <Amita> oops, so I missed something there :(
12:58:42 <jwf> No problem, easy fix :)
12:58:53 <Amita> #topic Open floor
12:59:34 <jwf> Nothing from me for today, but we should probably start working the Flock panel / workshop ideas into discussion.
12:59:38 <Amita> jwf, I really feel we should start planning for panel or something for flock as early as possible
12:59:44 <jwf> Amita: Same wavelength!
12:59:50 <jwf> :)
12:59:51 <Amita> jwf, haha good :)
13:00:07 <jwf> Amita: Do we want to mark that ticket for discussion next week?
13:00:14 <Amita> jwf, I will try to start a thread on diversity list
13:00:27 <jwf> Sounds like a good start to have some discussion before the meeting.
13:00:30 <Amita> jwf, I wanted to discuss that today too, but let's do it now
13:00:38 <Amita> jwf,yeah
13:00:46 <Amita> I will try to do it this week or next
13:00:52 <jwf> Will keep an eye out!
13:01:16 <Amita> jwf, I will also need a quick review of mail for mattdm before I send it out
13:01:25 <Amita> okay, we are running out of time now
13:01:31 <Amita> closing the meeting
13:01:45 <Amita> anyone if anything, please say..it is now or next to next week :)
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13:02:00 * Rhea bows and disappears with a smile...
13:02:05 <jwf> Amita++ Thank you for chairing. :)
13:02:08 <jwf> .thank Amita
13:02:08 <zodbot> jwf thinks Amita is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to Amita++ also)
13:02:18 <Amita> 3
13:02:19 <Amita> #endmeeting