06:00:53 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:54 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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06:00:54 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:54 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2017-03-15
06:01:03 <tagoh> hi
06:01:08 <suanand> hi
06:01:11 <mfabian> ☺
06:01:36 <pravins> hi 😁
06:02:00 <paragan> Hi all
06:02:07 <epico> hi
06:02:17 <paragan> #chair tagoh suanand mfabian pravins epico
06:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand tagoh
06:02:33 <anish_> Hi
06:03:03 <paragan> epico, anish_ hi
06:03:16 <paragan> #chair anish_
06:03:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: anish_ epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand tagoh
06:03:27 <juhp> hi
06:03:37 <paragan> juhp, hi
06:03:40 <paragan> #chair juhp
06:03:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: anish_ epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand tagoh
06:03:45 <paragan> Let's start our meeting now
06:04:14 <paragan> we will first look into next upcoming schedule milestones
06:04:17 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:04:17 <paragan> #info 2017-02-28   Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:04:17 <paragan> #info 2017-03-07   Alpha Freeze
06:04:17 <paragan> #info 2017-03-07   Software String Freeze
06:04:17 <paragan> #info 2017-03-07   Bodhi activation point
06:04:18 <paragan> #info 2017-03-21   Alpha release
06:04:34 <paragan> so we are in F26 Alpha Freeze
06:05:20 <paragan> Has anyone got any issues to fix for Alpha release?
06:05:55 <paragan> https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/26/alpha/buglist
06:06:58 <paragan> Last week I saw we were asked to provide some comment on bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405539
06:07:22 <paragan> Thanks juhp for looking into this bug
06:07:34 <juhp> welcome
06:07:46 <juhp> it was discussed a bit in the WS WG meeting too
06:07:50 <paragan> which I saw now removed from blocker list
06:08:15 <paragan> and further discussion is going on that bug
06:08:16 <juhp> Alpha blocket list?
06:08:31 <paragan> yes
06:08:36 <juhp> ok
06:09:27 <paragan> I think its Rejected totally and will not be considered as blocker for any upcoming Fedora 26 releases (Beta and Final)
06:09:38 <juhp> hmm ok
06:09:58 <paragan> Hope we will see some better solution for that bug
06:10:06 <juhp> I was hoping it might still be considered for final.... anyway hope something can be done to improve it
06:10:11 <juhp> nod
06:10:18 <pravins> yeah, we do have some more time for it.
06:11:59 <paragan> next topic
06:12:25 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
06:12:26 <paragan> #info #73: F26 mass rebuild fixes
06:12:26 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/73
06:12:40 <paragan> anyone still got any FTBFS bug to fix?
06:13:02 <paragan> I think I am having only one now which I will fix this week
06:13:37 <paragan> Few font packages failed to build due to bug in fontforge python module
06:13:39 <anish_> thanks i will fix mine
06:13:55 <paragan> anish_, :)
06:14:31 <paragan> That has been reported upstream, patch has been provided which is merged in upstream and I have built that patch in Fedora
06:14:45 <juhp> that's good
06:15:03 <paragan> which helped to build these font packages now without any issue.
06:15:06 <pravins> thanks paragan for fixes in fontforge.
06:15:18 <paragan> you welcome :)
06:15:19 <pravins> i did build for Lohit fonts yesterday with upstream new release.
06:16:14 <paragan> pravins, thanks for fixing them now
06:17:00 <pravins> :)
06:17:48 <paragan> Let's revisit this ticket next meeting and close accordingly.
06:18:44 <paragan> #info #72: Proposal - I18n FAD in 2017
06:18:45 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/72
06:20:04 <paragan> pravins, you want to update here?
06:20:05 <pravins> aha, FAD
06:20:15 <pravins> Thanks for all who added name in FAD proposal page.
06:20:47 <pravins> I think, we must freeze date and locations prior moving ahead.
06:21:12 <pravins> Considering success of our Last FAD at Japan i think we should do it again at Japan
06:21:31 <pravins> what other members think?
06:22:30 <anish_> yeah last time's FAD was good
06:23:04 <pravins> last time, due to participation of Zanata and Translation team it was actually like mini conference.
06:23:18 <paragan> yeah
06:23:19 <pravins> but this time we are planning to make it short and more dedicated FAD for some tasks
06:23:31 <epico> yeah
06:23:39 <tagoh> may want to see how the community in other countries is :)
06:24:36 <pravins> After Japan, i think second option we have is India. Brisbane is very costly.
06:24:51 <anish_> Sydney would be another option
06:24:52 * pravins would love to be host :)
06:25:15 <pravins> anish_: but at Sydney stay and conference room will cost us huge.
06:25:46 <anish_> hmm if we can have budget then I  would like to host it over here
06:26:48 <pravins> Agree, but i think we will have max $5000
06:27:16 <pravins> We can fly maximum 3-4 people and rest will need for accommodation and other items.
06:27:33 <pravins> At present we have.
06:27:55 <pravins> 1. 3 people at India, 3 Japan, 1 at China, 1 Germany and 1 at Sydney.
06:28:30 <pravins> so, from cost perspective either India or Japan.
06:28:33 <pravins> makes more sense.
06:29:52 <pravins> 3rd option, as we thought do it aligning some conference.
06:29:59 <pravins> I see GUADEC is happening in UK
06:30:14 <anish_> But it will be short duration
06:30:16 <pravins> https://2017.guadec.org
06:30:23 <anish_> its in Jan
06:30:27 <pravins> ohh
06:30:34 <anish_> sorry its in June
06:30:36 <anish_> i guess
06:30:49 <pravins> 28 jul-2ndaug
06:30:56 <anish_> yeah
06:31:10 <pravins> It make sense to host, i18n FAd with GUADEC
06:31:21 <pravins> juhp: how do you think?
06:31:48 <juhp> interesting idea
06:32:08 <pravins> lets work out on this idea and see if we can actually make it.
06:32:25 <pravins> I hope, we can get some concession from GUADEC for accommodation.
06:32:58 <pravins> and, i am sure we will have more members to join from GUACED as well for FAD.
06:33:07 <juhp> there is also Flock but again means a lot of travellers
06:33:27 <pravins> flock is in US, very unrealistic from budget perspective.
06:33:39 <anish_> UK seems to be more expensive than JP and cost of travel would be more than SYD
06:33:50 <juhp> Personally I think a small separate focused FAD in APAC would be better probably
06:34:47 <pravins> having together with some conference will help us to have more talks in conference..more i18n presence followed by FAD.
06:34:48 <juhp> combining with another event could be a distraction too
06:34:58 <juhp> that is true of course
06:35:03 <anish_> GUADEC people give 80% accommodation for speakers
06:35:19 <pravins> yeah, distraction point is valid. We will need more time that FAD.
06:35:29 <pravins> say, if we decide 2 days FAD + 2 days conference.
06:35:53 <pravins> anish_: is more familiar with GUADEC :)
06:36:39 <pravins> present open options are: 1. APAC (India or Japan)  2. GUADEC  (28 Jul - 2Aug)
06:37:35 <juhp> I guess Tokyo has the advantage it is easier to get to than Pune - though it also seems good to do a different location this time perhaps though it is not necessity
06:38:15 <anish_> third option would be Kula Lumpur
06:38:49 <anish_> its middle and I can help with arrangement  over there
06:39:00 <anish_> But not sure about cost
06:39:15 <juhp> Taiwan?
06:39:25 <anish_> Malaysia
06:39:42 <pravins> We do have Red Hat office in Kuala Lumpur but not sure how big.
06:39:49 <juhp> Singpore might also be a possibility
06:39:50 <pravins> Taiwan is cheap?
06:40:09 <pravins> singapore is very costly :(
06:40:12 <juhp> cheaper than Tokyo probably
06:40:18 <juhp> pravins: true ;)
06:40:22 <pravins> definitely :)
06:40:35 <pravins> let me list out option again.
06:40:52 <pravins> getting VISA is also imp part.
06:41:04 <juhp> still Pune or Tokyo seems to make most sense from PoV of cost minimization
06:41:04 <anish_> nod
06:41:23 <pravins> and more participation from regional people.
06:42:07 <juhp> there is also Beijing...
06:42:21 <pravins> but there are less people
06:42:21 <epico> nod
06:42:23 <pravins> so more travel.
06:42:58 <juhp> yeah
06:43:11 <epico> Beijing is also a middle place...
06:43:17 <pravins> Cost is important factor. It involves Travel + Accommodation.
06:43:35 <pravins> if 3 people at host, it save T+A cost for them
06:43:53 <epico> yeah
06:43:54 <pravins> So deciding other location than India is physical only when we have less T+A cost overall.
06:44:10 <pravins> s/physical/feasible
06:44:18 <juhp> right - we could all stay in Hotel Cocoon ;)
06:44:31 <pravins> yeah.
06:45:27 <pravins> 1. India 2. Japan or 3. Location - Cost will be less than 1/2.
06:46:43 <pravins> before next meeting i will add some cost estimations.
06:46:52 <pravins> and lets propose tentative plan to council.
06:47:29 <juhp> sounds good
06:48:34 <anish_> yeah looks good
06:50:16 <pravins> i am done.
06:51:44 <paragan> #info #63: Fedora 24 Bug triaging
06:51:44 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/63
06:51:54 <paragan> keep triaging bugs again :)
06:52:29 <paragan> there are still 51 NEW state bugs
06:54:57 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:55:04 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:57:28 <paragan> Thanks all for coming to this meeting :)
06:57:32 <paragan> #endmeeting