12:02:11 <Amita> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting 2017-03-22
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12:02:18 <linuxmodder> Amita,  howdy
12:02:24 <Amita> hi linuxmodder
12:02:26 <Amita> #meetingname diversity
12:02:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'diversity'
12:02:38 * linuxmodder is here for a mktg mtg for a change
12:02:48 <linuxmodder> thought that was weird
12:03:22 <linuxmodder> Amita,   fyi meetign email was wrong it still says 7 am EST not 8 am EDT
12:03:40 <linuxmodder> one reason I prefer UTC :P
12:03:47 <Amita> linuxmodder, which email?
12:04:02 <Amita> linuxmodder, oh okay so you git marketing meeting time wrong
12:04:03 <linuxmodder> the usual You've beenb invited to $meeting one
12:04:12 <Amita> linuxmodder, ah
12:04:28 <jwf|matrix> I'm here, but only from my phone. University network changes over the past week have disabled my access
12:04:29 <linuxmodder> <20170320070004.15E1360A400B@fedocal02.phx2.fedoraproject.org>
12:04:37 <linuxmodder> that email
12:04:39 <Amita> #meetingtopic Fedora Diversity Team meeting 2017-03-22
12:04:47 <jwf|matrix> Combined with unstable network in my apartment, not sure when I'll have a reliable connection again
12:05:06 <Amita> #topic Agenda
12:05:10 <linuxmodder> or you just got too good at abusing uni and they but you in time out :P
12:05:10 <Amita> #info (1) Roll call
12:05:14 <Amita> #info (2) Announcements
12:05:17 <Amita> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
12:05:21 <Amita> #info (4) Tickets
12:05:25 <Amita> #info (5) Open floor
12:05:29 <Amita> #topic Roll call
12:05:36 <Amita> .hello amsharma
12:05:37 <zodbot> Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com>
12:05:45 <Amita> hi jwf|matrix
12:05:50 <bee2502> .hello bee2502
12:05:51 <zodbot> bee2502: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' <bhagyashree.iitg@gmail.com>
12:05:57 <marinaz> .hello marinaz
12:05:58 <jwf|matrix> Problem is that I'm an American student in the Croatian campus, they tried integrating systems last week and now anyone with an account in Rochester is offline until it's fixed.
12:05:58 <zodbot> marinaz: marinaz 'Marina Zhurakhinskaya' <marinaz@redhat.com>
12:06:02 <jwf|matrix> .hello jflory7
12:06:03 <zodbot> jwf|matrix: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
12:06:03 <Amita> sad to hear about your connection jwf|matrix
12:06:08 <Amita> hello bee
12:06:14 <Amita> welcome marinaz
12:06:30 <marinaz> hi Amita, bee, jwf|matrix
12:06:38 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder
12:06:39 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
12:06:41 <jwf|matrix> Now I have a better understanding for what it's like for some people from India to use IRC - it's a challenging experience. :P
12:06:48 <jwf|matrix> Morning all!
12:06:57 <Amita> #chair marinaz jwf|matrix bee2502 linuxmodder Amita
12:06:57 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bee2502 jwf|matrix linuxmodder marinaz
12:07:18 <linuxmodder> use your gmail or get a croatian email for school duh :P
12:07:22 <Amita> jwf|matrix, :)
12:07:40 <Amita> #topic Announcements
12:08:02 <Amita> Council FAD is next week
12:08:37 <jwf|matrix> Amita: Oh, the FAD?? I completely missed that
12:08:46 <Amita> which means a lot of discussions and work will happen next week from council including subproject report meeting schedule
12:09:17 <Amita> jwf|matrix, as per bexelbie's mail today on diversity list - yes, it is next week
12:09:33 <jwf|matrix> Ah, okay, haven't checked email yet this morning.
12:09:34 <Amita> #info Council FAD is next week (27 March, 2017)
12:09:36 <jwf|matrix> This is good to know
12:09:55 <Amita> so we may want to discuss/cover the project report ticket today
12:10:07 <linuxmodder> I have 2 announcements fro O/F
12:10:16 <Amita> linuxmodder, Sure
12:10:19 <jwf|matrix> I think we're on the hook for April, so might be a good idea to get those ideas out on the table.
12:10:19 <Amita> please go ahead
12:10:38 <Amita> jwf|matrix, +1
12:10:38 <jwf|matrix> We can go more in detail in future meetings, but creating an outline will help
12:10:38 <linuxmodder> Open Floor is better for them I'll wait
12:10:47 <Amita> jwf|matrix, yeah
12:10:56 <Amita> linuxmodder, as you like, thanks
12:11:14 <Amita> jwf|matrix, do you have any?
12:11:31 <jwf|matrix> Not off the top of my head - I'm a little out of the loop this week
12:11:51 <Amita> ok, moving ahead now
12:12:03 <linuxmodder> a week without a lwf announce flood ?   mark the calendar
12:12:05 <linuxmodder> :P
12:12:11 <Amita> #topic Action items from last meetings
12:12:32 <Amita> #link  https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-03-08/diversity.2017-03-08-12.03.html
12:12:54 <Amita> 1. jwf will complete FAD report - jwf|matrix
12:13:27 <jwf|matrix> Was going to have complete before meeting, but network problems this week have made it difficult. Still hoping for a final draft today
12:13:31 <jwf|matrix> Re-action please.
12:13:42 <Amita> Sure
12:13:49 <Amita> #action  jwf will complete FAD report
12:13:57 <jwf|matrix> #nick jwf
12:13:59 <jwf|matrix> Thanks.
12:14:19 <Amita> next 2. Take feedback from meskarune about Arch Women and add insight to ticket #3  - on me
12:14:38 <Amita> could not get time for this one, last 2 weeks were super busy with my office work
12:14:41 <Amita> taking again
12:14:50 <Amita> #action Take feedback from meskarune about Arch Women and add insight to ticket #3
12:15:02 <Amita> 3. marinaz and bexelbie to sync up survey questions for Fedora Legal  - bex and marinaz
12:15:20 <Amita> #info Because the Council will be talking about this in their FAD next week, maybe we should hold this item.
12:15:42 <Amita> 4. Amita to write mail to mattdm about diversity team reporting - Date and Status Content - Amita
12:15:44 <marinaz> Amita: bexelbie and I haven't had a chance to work on this
12:15:49 <jwf|matrix> I have no objections if it's on the agenda for next week.
12:16:02 <Amita> marinaz, yeah, Bex informed about it
12:16:03 <Amita> thankd
12:16:06 <Amita> thanks marinaz
12:16:19 <Amita> #action Amita to write mail to mattdm about diversity team reporting - Date and Status Content
12:16:28 <Amita> I should be doing it before next week's FAD
12:16:31 <linuxmodder> jwf|matrix,  circvling back to ticket 3 is that repo only in stg.pagure still
12:17:06 <Amita> 5. Amita to open diversity pagure ticket to track the progress of diversity team reporting to council
12:17:11 <Amita> yes, this is done
12:17:23 <Amita> #info DONE:  open diversity pagure ticket to track the progress of diversity team reporting to council
12:17:26 <linuxmodder> we have had some great sucess over in famna with the private repo and tickets if you have questions still
12:17:36 <Amita> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/17
12:18:12 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder: Not sure I'm following what you mean.
12:18:24 <Amita> even I don't follow linuxmodder
12:18:30 <jwf|matrix> Amita: awesome. Do we want to file a ticket in the Council Pagure too?
12:18:34 <Amita> 6. Amita to create an etherpad and start outline of report and share it with team for feedback and input
12:18:46 <jwf|matrix> Oh, or maybe do that after emailing mattdm to figure out where we're at
12:18:47 <Amita> jwf|matrix, yeah Sure, I can do that
12:19:00 <linuxmodder> in ticket #3 you mentioned playing with that in a stg/pagure instance has it moved to prod or still all jsut in stg
12:19:21 <jwf|matrix> Amita: Once you sync up with mattdm, a ticket in the Council Pagure would be a good idea, I think.
12:19:40 <Amita> #action Amita to open a ticket in Council Pagure for subproject reports after mail communication with mattdm
12:20:00 <Amita> jwf|matrix, so that ticket will be for all the projects?
12:20:19 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder: Is this in the Diversity Pagure? I don't have the link on my phone, if you can link me I can check, but I don't remember the context now
12:20:20 <jwf|matrix> As far as I know, nothing is in staging
12:20:26 <Amita> jwf|matrix, a general ticket which will have outline what is expected from reports?
12:20:33 <bee2502> let me know if u need any help with these tasks
12:21:10 <Amita> bee2502, sweet, thanks :)
12:21:18 <Amita> bee2502++
12:21:21 <jwf|matrix> Amita: The ticket for the Council Pagure is mostly to make sure it's on the Council's agenda too. :)
12:21:38 <jwf|matrix> The majority of our planning will happen among us
12:22:09 <Amita> jwf|matrix, so it will be specifically for diversity or it will be general ticket for every project to refer to make the reports?
12:22:18 <jonatoni> .fas jonatoni
12:22:18 <zodbot> jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' <jonaazizaj@gmail.com>
12:22:24 <Amita> like will it states the guidelines to make reports etc?
12:22:27 <Amita> hi jonatoni
12:22:29 <Amita> #chait jonatoni
12:22:36 <Amita> #chair jonatoni
12:22:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bee2502 jonatoni jwf|matrix linuxmodder marinaz
12:22:56 <jwf|matrix> .thank bee2502
12:22:56 <zodbot> jwf|matrix thinks bee2502 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bee2502++ also)
12:23:48 <Amita> jwf|matrix, please tell me :)
12:23:54 <Amita> so it will be specifically for diversity or it will be general ticket for every project to refer to make the reports?
12:23:59 <Amita> like will it states the guidelines to make reports etc?
12:24:02 <jonatoni> hi all :)
12:24:10 <Amita> hi dear jonatoni :)
12:24:15 <Amita> how are you doing?
12:24:38 <Amita> ok I will ask jwf|matrix later about it more
12:24:46 <Amita> so the last one was
12:24:58 <jonatoni> btw I have finished my report for Diversity FAD
12:24:58 <Amita> Amita to create an etherpad and start outline of report and share it with team for feedback and input
12:25:04 <Amita> jonatoni, cool
12:25:09 <Amita> jonatoni, link please :)
12:25:32 <jonatoni> http://blog.azizaj.com/diversity-fad-2017-event-report/
12:25:39 <Amita> awesome
12:26:05 <Amita> bee2502, do you also have one?
12:26:24 <bee2502> let me dig it Amita'
12:26:26 <jwf|matrix> Amita: Sorry, lost my cell signal. The ticket on the Council Pagure is for every subproject, just so the Council has the date earmarked for when we present.
12:26:30 <Amita> jonatoni, mind updating link in the ticket - https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/16
12:26:33 <x3mboy> o/
12:26:43 <Amita> hi x3mboy
12:26:50 <x3mboy> Amita, Hi!
12:26:51 <Amita> sure jwf|matrix
12:26:52 <Amita> thanks
12:26:58 <jwf|matrix> jonatoni: Hiya! 👋
12:27:05 <Amita> .fasinfo x3mboy
12:27:06 <jonatoni> Amita will post the link there, thanks :)
12:27:06 <zodbot> Amita: User: x3mboy, Name: Eduard Lucena, email: eduardlucena@gmail.com, Creation: 2011-11-28, IRC Nick: x3mboy, Timezone: America/Santiago, Locale: en, GPG key ID: DCDC2FFE, Status: active
12:27:10 <zodbot> Amita: Approved Groups: fi-apprentice marketing magazine ambassadors cla_fpca cla_done
12:27:20 <Amita> thanks jonatoni
12:27:27 * jonatoni jwf o/
12:27:32 <Amita> #action jonatoni will update ticket#16 with blog link
12:27:40 <x3mboy> Cool fi-apprentice :D !!!
12:27:47 <Amita> jonatoni, cool, nice report with awesome pics
12:28:02 <jwf|matrix> jonatoni++ for the write-up. :)
12:28:03 <Amita> bee2502, sure
12:28:12 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: :)
12:28:13 <Amita> okay, so we are done with action items here
12:28:17 <Amita> moving next
12:28:36 <Amita> #topic Tickets
12:29:02 <Amita> #info Write official and individual reports covering Diversity FAD
12:29:28 <Amita> we just discussed it above, so I will close it in our next meeting when links will be updated in the ticket
12:29:30 <Amita> thanks everyone
12:29:34 <jwf|matrix> Official one really should be done today or tomorrow, working on getting the final edits in
12:29:41 <jwf|matrix> Really sorry it has taken so long
12:29:55 <Amita> jwf|matrix, no need to be sorry
12:30:01 <Amita> I am sure you tried best
12:30:19 <Amita> #info https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/17
12:30:31 <Amita> #17 -  Diversity Project Report Creation for Council Meeting.
12:31:12 <Amita> though it was not in the agenda, I would like to discuss this one, as it is good to have it at this time around
12:31:21 <Amita> when council is having FAD
12:31:38 <Amita> so team, I have wrote down a summary here - https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Fedora_Diversity
12:31:53 <Amita> we need collective efforts to put more in the project report
12:32:17 <Amita> I assume a project report should include what are our objectives as a team and what we are doing to achieve them
12:32:39 <Amita> I will soon write to mattdm asking about it more
12:32:54 <Amita> I would like to action everyone in the team for this ticket
12:33:05 <Amita> is that okay?, as we need inputs from everyone
12:33:21 <Amita> jwf|matrix, jonatoni, bee2502 , marinaz ? :)
12:33:38 <bee2502> def yes for me
12:33:47 <marinaz> Amita: sounds good
12:33:54 <Amita> cool
12:34:01 <bee2502> also I can help you draft the report, if you need any further help.
12:34:18 <Amita> bee2502, I will need help :)
12:34:37 <jonatoni> I can help too
12:34:47 <Amita> nice, thank you
12:34:50 <Amita> cool
12:34:58 <Amita> jwf|matrix, goes without saying :)
12:35:21 <Amita> #action jwf|matrix jonatoni marinaz bee2502 and Amita will work on project report for council
12:35:28 <Amita> thanks everyone
12:35:32 <jwf|matrix> A team report would be very valuable. I'm not going to be in a place for a while where I can actively help write it, however. I can give feedback but I think I have too much on my plate now to contribute significantly.
12:36:00 <Amita> jwf|matrix, yeah, I will take the lead and draft one
12:36:18 <Amita> everyone else put the recommendations and give feedback and help reviewing
12:36:35 <Amita> ok, moving to next one
12:36:45 <jwf|matrix> Amita: sounds good to me. :)
12:36:48 <Amita> #info   #3 - Guidelines for reporting Code of Conduct violations
12:37:20 <Amita> I think last time we concluded to have questions for this ticket
12:37:24 <Amita> jwf|matrix, ^^
12:37:50 <jwf|matrix> Amita: could you link the ticket?
12:37:56 <jwf|matrix> Will read comments for refreshing
12:38:17 <jonatoni> me too
12:38:18 <Amita> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/3
12:38:30 <Amita> jwf|matrix, so ticket does not have that comment
12:38:31 <jwf|matrix> Great, thanks, just a minute.
12:38:41 <Amita> jwf|matrix, our last meeting have
12:39:24 <Amita> 12:54:12 <jwf> Right! So then the follow-up question(s) could be something like: (1) What is helpful for someone writing a report to enable the reader(s) to solve the problem? (2) What is important to protect the anonymity of the reporter? How should reports be considered for privacy? (3) What kind of end results to a report do we want to consider?
12:39:31 <Amita> jwf|matrix, from last meeting
12:39:46 <jwf|matrix> Ah, yeah, I kind of remember now. We wanted to break this up into tasks to move forward with what we had
12:39:51 <jwf|matrix> Yeah, that exactly
12:40:14 <Amita> 12:56:05 <Amita> jwf, can I action you for write these questions in the ticket
12:40:21 <Amita> 12:56:19 <jwf> Amita: Yes, that was exactly my thinking. :)
12:40:22 <x3mboy> Sorry, the CoC is official and final???
12:40:31 <jwf|matrix> #info (1) What is helpful for someone writing a report to enable the reader(s) to solve the problem? (2) What is important to protect the anonymity of the reporter? How should reports be considered for privacy? (3) What kind of end results to a report do we want to consider?
12:40:50 <jwf|matrix> Amita: not sure about this week but I can probably get them next week. Feel free to action me.
12:41:08 <Amita> #action jwf|matrix will update #3 with the questions - (1) What is helpful for someone writing a report to enable the reader(s) to solve the problem? (2) What is important to protect the anonymity of the reporter? How should reports be considered for privacy? (3) What kind of end results to a report do we want to consider? etc
12:41:13 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: This ticket was mostly about how to formalize the process for someone who felt the CoC was violated or wanted to report something anonymously.
12:41:33 <Amita> yeah that's correct ^^
12:41:50 <Amita> moving to next
12:41:59 <Amita> #info #12 - Survey - Numbers are important
12:42:00 <jwf|matrix> That could mean changes to the CoC to make clarifications, but I think what to do there will become more clear once we have answers to the above questions.
12:42:08 <x3mboy> Ok, sorry for interrupt, I will ask something in the Open Floor
12:42:13 <Amita> so we have update on this already
12:42:20 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: 👍
12:42:37 <Amita> that is all for now
12:42:53 <Amita> anyone wants to discuss under ticket section?
12:43:08 <jwf|matrix> Amita: Hopefully next week we can move forward on this with an update after the Council FAD
12:43:16 <jwf|matrix> No more comments about tickets for me
12:43:20 <Amita> cool
12:43:24 <Amita> moving to open floor
12:43:39 <Amita> #topic Open floor
12:44:47 <Amita> anyone has anything to say, please feel free
12:44:58 <Amita> x3mboy, you wanted to say something?
12:45:07 <x3mboy> Ok, Is the CoC finished? How modifications can be suggested/requested? I don't see nothing bad with it, but normally CoCs should change in the long term
12:45:27 <Amita> x3mboy, few questions -
12:45:39 <Amita> 1. What do you mean by : CoC finished?
12:46:00 <Amita> 2. How modifications can be suggested/requested? - Do you have something specific ?
12:46:16 <Amita> 3 I don't see nothing bad with it, but normally CoCs should change in the long term - Long Term =?
12:46:34 * jonatoni needs to leave, will read meeting logs later
12:46:43 <Amita> I am just trying to understand your query, since I am not getting you clearly
12:46:48 <jonatoni> Amita thanks for chairing :)
12:46:56 <jwf|matrix> jonatoni: See ya!
12:46:58 <Amita> jonatoni, hey thanks for joining
12:47:02 <Amita> .thank jonatoni
12:47:02 <zodbot> Amita thinks jonatoni is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jonatoni++ also)
12:47:13 <Amita> nice report again jonatoni
12:47:16 <jonatoni> jwf see you on friday :)
12:47:18 <x3mboy> 1. If we are talking about violations, then the CoC is finished, published and being applied in all Fedora Communications
12:47:21 <jonatoni> thanks Amita :*
12:47:58 <x3mboy> 2. No, I don't have nothing specific, I will expleain in 3
12:48:27 <marinaz> x3mboy: Fedora had the same CoC at https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct for a while; this group is currently considering how violations can be reported, which can possibly affect its language, but we are in the very beginning stages of this
12:48:28 <jwf|matrix> jonatoni: Yep, see you real soon :)
12:49:16 <marinaz> x3mboy: there is also an even code of conduct, such as the one used for Flock - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock/2016-booklet-text#Code_of_Conduct
12:49:23 <x3mboy> 3. Long term, yearly, bi-yearly, when it's need it, when someone push a change. Normally, a CoC should be subject of audit, to make it better and to cover new cases
12:49:53 <Amita> perfect x3mboy , so you have answer :)
12:50:02 <Amita> *a CoC should be subject of audit, to make it better and to cover new cases*
12:50:25 <Amita> as marinaz said it correctly - Fedora had the same CoC at https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct for a while
12:50:48 <Amita> we are revisiting it to enhance the scope to cover any new issues
12:51:03 <Amita> and it is at its very beginning phase
12:51:53 <Amita> We as a Fedora community, are collaborative and open to ideas
12:51:58 <marinaz> linuxmodder: did you have some announcements for open floor?
12:52:15 <Amita> so x3mboy , if you have anything, please feel free to write in the ticket, thanks :)
12:52:22 <x3mboy> Mmmm ok, I think my questions was answered. I think, maybe jwf|matrix can be agreed with me, that we should publicize the CoC a liitle more. As a new contributor, I think is maybe the first time I see it.
12:52:29 <x3mboy> eof
12:52:30 <x3mboy> :D
12:52:32 <x3mboy> Amita, Thanks
12:52:41 <x3mboy> marinaz, thanks for clarification
12:52:44 <x3mboy> marinaz++
12:52:45 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for marinaz changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:52:47 <x3mboy> Amita++
12:52:47 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for amsharma changed to 7 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:52:55 <marinaz> x3mboy: thank you for sharing your thoughts about it :)!
12:52:59 <marinaz> x3mboy++
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12:53:07 <Amita> x3mboy, thanks for your inputs
12:53:10 <Amita> x3mboy++
12:53:10 <zodbot> Amita: Karma for x3mboy changed to 19 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:53:12 <Amita> :)
12:53:20 <Amita> anyone anything else?
12:53:42 <Amita> or we can give back 7 mins of life :)
12:54:03 * jwf|matrix doesn't have anything
12:54:07 <Amita> closing in 3
12:54:09 <Amita> 1
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12:54:21 <Amita> #endmeeting