13:16:52 <x3mboy> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting (2017-05-02) 13:16:52 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 2 13:16:52 2017 UTC. The chair is x3mboy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:16:52 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:16:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_meeting_(2017-05-02)' 13:17:09 <x3mboy> #meetingname Marketing Team 13:17:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing_team' 13:17:24 <x3mboy> #topic Agenda 13:18:01 <x3mboy> #info No link yet 13:18:25 <jwf> That's alright, we can just jump into the normal topics :) 13:18:26 <x3mboy> #info (1) Roll call 13:18:32 <x3mboy> #info (2) Announcements 13:18:38 <x3mboy> #info (3) Action items from last meeting 13:18:43 <x3mboy> #info (4) Tickets 13:18:49 <x3mboy> #info (5) Upcoming tasks 13:18:53 <x3mboy> #info (6) Open floor 13:19:02 <x3mboy> #topic Roll call 13:19:21 <jwf> x3mboy: Also, as a quick note, #meetingname is what sets the URL for the Marketing team in Meetbot, so we want to make sure it's consistent across meetings. For the past year or two, it's been just 'marketing', so using `#meetingname marketing` will sort it properly with all of the others in Meetbot. :) 13:19:22 <x3mboy> #info Name; Timezone; Other sub-projects / interest areas 13:19:41 <x3mboy> jwf, noted! 13:19:56 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC+2; Marketing, Magazine, CommOps, Ambassadors, Diversity Team, and more… 13:20:10 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena; UTC-3; Marketing, Magazine, CommOps, Ambassadors 13:20:35 <x3mboy> #chair jwf 13:20:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf x3mboy 13:21:13 <jwf> #meetingname marketing 13:21:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing' 13:21:23 <x3mboy> I'm not sure if there is somebody else here? 13:22:28 <jwf> I know bkp had a tough schedule because of Red Hat Summit, and if he's in California, it's 6:30am for him or so. :) 13:22:38 <x3mboy> Oh ok 13:22:42 <jwf> Might just be us today, but we can put a call out in #fedora-mktg 13:22:55 <x3mboy> Ok 13:25:02 <x3mboy> Well, we can continue, if someone jump in, can ask about the current topic. What do you think? 13:25:14 <jwf> +1. We can move on to the action items for any follow-up. 13:25:26 <Amita> I am here, just keeping an eye 13:25:42 <x3mboy> Amita, o/ 13:25:47 <x3mboy> #chair Amita 13:25:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jwf x3mboy 13:25:55 <Amita> hello x3mboy 13:26:05 <x3mboy> #topic Announcements 13:26:18 <x3mboy> Something to highlight here? 13:26:38 * jwf has one thing 13:26:47 <x3mboy> Go for it 13:26:53 * jwf is digging for the link 13:27:35 <jwf> #info === Fedora Mission: Recap, reflections, next steps === 13:27:39 <jwf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OH3MKWIVRETSOPL2FKSE6YK4YIF5SZAD/ 13:27:56 <jwf> #info Some updates about the recent Fedora mission statement discussion and what's next to move forward. 13:28:09 <jwf> And one more, actually :) 13:28:17 <jwf> #info === "Share Fedora: Measuring Success" === 13:28:21 <jwf> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/share-fedora-measuring-success/ 13:29:04 <jwf> #info This week's blogging challenge is about how to measure success and finding the right statistics to help guide Fedora forward. Add your voice to the mix for this week's blogging challenge! 13:29:07 <jwf> <eof> 13:29:14 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 13:29:16 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 13:29:21 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, o/ 13:29:26 <x3mboy> #chait linuxmodder 13:29:32 <x3mboy> Oh cool 13:29:49 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, it's #chair not #chait :P 13:29:55 <x3mboy> #chair linuxmodder 13:29:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jwf linuxmodder x3mboy 13:30:04 <linuxmodder> o/ all 13:30:19 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, yes, i fail the key for 1 position to my left 13:30:19 * jwf waves to linuxmodder 13:30:49 <x3mboy> Ok, move on 13:31:02 <x3mboy> #topic Action items from last meeting 13:32:04 <x3mboy> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-04-25/marketing.2017-04-25-12.59.log.html 13:32:31 <x3mboy> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward. 13:32:46 <x3mboy> #info === [INCOMPLETE] x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points === 13:33:23 <x3mboy> I need to reach them yet. My last week was a little messy, but now I'm up to work with this. 13:33:45 * jwf understands that :) 13:33:48 <x3mboy> #info === jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking 13:33:48 <x3mboy> point additions to the wiki page before beta release === 13:34:10 <jwf> So, this is incomplete, but I'm typing up the emails now… since I'm not chairing, I'll get them sent during this meeting. :) 13:34:34 <x3mboy> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release === 13:34:46 <x3mboy> #action x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points 13:34:59 <x3mboy> #action jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release 13:35:23 <x3mboy> #info === jwf Update Fedocal entry for Fedora Marketing meeting to reflect new time === 13:35:34 <jwf> x3mboy: Since I'm typing these up now, do you want to hit the Design Team up and CC you there? 13:35:39 <jwf> x3mboy: This should be done. :) 13:35:54 <x3mboy> "Ok", and "ok, cool!" 13:35:55 <x3mboy> :D 13:35:56 <x3mboy> xD 13:36:02 <jwf> :) 13:36:09 <x3mboy> #info === [COMPLETE] jwf Update Fedocal entry for Fedora Marketing meeting to reflect new time === 13:36:46 <x3mboy> #info === [COMPLETE] bkp Create an outline of ideas for what we want to present in the Fedora Council sub-project report for Marketing by next meeting (2 May) === 13:36:58 <x3mboy> This was made last week. Let me look for the link 13:37:18 <jwf> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit?usp=sharing 13:38:15 <x3mboy> .thank jwf 13:38:15 <zodbot> x3mboy thinks jwf is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jwf++ also) 13:38:34 <x3mboy> That was all the action items left last week 13:38:53 <x3mboy> Any comments here??? 13:39:34 <x3mboy> OK, moving on 13:39:38 <x3mboy> #topic Tickets 13:39:46 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issues?tags=meeting 13:39:48 <jwf> We can cover this one more fully in the ticket :) 13:39:56 <jwf> (with regards to the outline) 13:41:01 <x3mboy> #info === Ticket #249: "Create Fedora 26 talking points" === 13:41:11 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/249 13:41:29 <x3mboy> Well, this is still in progress 13:42:00 <x3mboy> #info jwf will send email to reach WG and SIG that are missing 13:42:16 <x3mboy> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_26_talking_points 13:42:18 <jwf> Spins are done, Server WG is next. :) 13:42:30 <jwf> I will also grab the Design Team list too 13:43:09 <x3mboy> #action jwf will take the Design Team to send email too 13:43:39 <x3mboy> Anything else 13:44:01 <x3mboy> I know this ticket is mine from now on, so, remember to copy me in emails please... 13:44:38 * jwf nods 13:44:53 <x3mboy> Atomic team is still discussing their focus on the TPs, but hopefully they will be ready today or tomorrow 13:45:48 * jwf adds one more quick #info 13:45:55 <x3mboy> They have problems because is hard to set a point were new features are added because the release new versions weekly or bi-weekly 13:46:16 <jwf> #info Spins, Server, and Design Team have all been contacted today about talking points (2017-05-02) 13:46:24 <x3mboy> Cool! 13:46:38 <jwf> x3mboy: Ah, okay, so I see how that is tricky. So long as they're on track for the beta, we should be in good shape. 13:46:39 <x3mboy> That's why my phone is jumping 13:46:48 <jwf> lolol :P 13:47:09 <x3mboy> Ok, next ticket 13:47:36 <x3mboy> #info === Ticket #246: "Prepare report for Council sub-project report" === 13:48:14 <x3mboy> Well, I was waiting for bproffit to put the outline. Now that's ready, so I will start editing that 13:48:25 <x3mboy> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit 13:48:43 <jwf> We can take a quick look together now. 13:48:52 <x3mboy> Yes 13:49:03 <x3mboy> First point here is 2017 Goals 13:49:30 <x3mboy> Increase awareness of Fedora releases 13:49:53 <jwf> I feel like the goals are mostly along the right lines, although… 13:50:02 <jwf> I want to cross-reference the new mission statement for a moment 13:50:12 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, I can help more with spins T?P tahn server if needed 13:50:13 <x3mboy> I have a question here 13:50:17 <linuxmodder> sorry got sidelined 13:50:27 <jwf> x3mboy: Sure! 13:50:48 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, np. Yes if you can, please goes on. We want to have the final version before beta release 13:51:11 <linuxmodder> I am part of both but regrettably recently absent form server stuff 13:51:22 <x3mboy> We, as Marketing team, works with internal customers and external customers??? 13:51:23 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, your ? was? 13:51:48 <x3mboy> Or for Internal Customer we have commops??? 13:51:53 <linuxmodder> technically yes even if using the internal ones to promote to externals ( or gain more externals) 13:52:12 <jwf> x3mboy: Internal customers and external customers… how do you mean? Is this mentioned somewhere on the doc? 13:52:17 <linuxmodder> internal customers as I am referring are users 13:53:02 <jwf> I think "customers" isn't the best word for the kind of work we' 13:53:07 <jwf> * we're doing. 13:53:29 <jwf> We aren't selling software as much as trying to market ideas. :) 13:53:43 <x3mboy> jwf, it's not mentioned. Internal customers = users and project. External Customers = Non-users and people outside the project 13:54:20 <x3mboy> Customer is a wide word, normally in my industry we use to define the target of our work 13:54:30 <x3mboy> use it* 13:54:44 <jwf> Ah, okay, I understand a little better now. 13:55:05 <x3mboy> So external = put of the projcet, internal = inside the project 13:55:12 <x3mboy> That's a better approach 13:55:12 <linuxmodder> using customers to mean target audience then yes x3mboy 13:55:29 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, exactly 13:55:31 * linuxmodder has a hard stop in 30 mins 13:55:48 <jwf> x3mboy: For "internal customer", I would consider that more of a CommOps area. :) 13:56:07 <x3mboy> jwf, that was what I was thinking 13:56:14 * jwf also has a hard stop in about 5-10 minutes today for class too, today ended up being a faster schedule than expected 13:56:36 <x3mboy> Ok, so we can discuss this in the ticket 13:56:41 <x3mboy> Agreed??? 13:57:07 <jwf> x3mboy: +1 from me. :) 13:57:15 * jwf is going to switch to phone in a bit 13:57:33 <x3mboy> A quick note, I think we can focus our goals to help teams that need us. For example Diversity and there project Fedora Women 13:58:16 <Amita> collaboration should be every sub projects goal 13:58:20 <Rhea> Just my understandingto the above terminology, as i would understand it: internal customer == contributor; external customer == user 13:59:22 <x3mboy> Amita, of course, but I mean to define a clear line on "How to help". We should be willing to help every sub-project/contributor that ask for the help 14:00:04 <linuxmodder> +1 from me too 14:00:05 <x3mboy> And a good example is the Fedora User Handbook. In first instance was commented in the Ambassadors List, and now a lots of team are helping 14:00:18 <Amita> sounds good 14:00:21 <Amita> +1 14:00:36 <linuxmodder> Rhea, yup 14:00:40 <x3mboy> Rhea, kind of. We can extend external customer to "anything else" 14:01:06 <linuxmodder> user/prospective user 14:01:09 <x3mboy> Becase we should market to people that don't use Fedora or even linux 14:01:21 <x3mboy> Ok 14:01:31 <x3mboy> Any other comments? 14:01:42 <linuxmodder> user to me always includes those we may run into at a con / hackathon but that is just me maybe 14:02:05 <x3mboy> Remember, we are working on the Council sub-project Report 14:02:34 <x3mboy> Any help, comment or hint is welcome 14:02:58 <x3mboy> We have the ticket: https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/246 and the document with the outline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit# 14:04:05 <x3mboy> The date is May 24 14:04:17 <x3mboy> So, we have still a little time to shape the report 14:04:46 <x3mboy> #chair Rhea 14:04:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita Rhea jwf linuxmodder x3mboy 14:04:49 <x3mboy> :D 14:05:12 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, one might think you are enjoying chairing a little much :P 14:05:16 <jwf|matrix> I'm planning on adding comments to the Google Doc soon. 14:05:23 <jwf|matrix> Sorry for the delay there 14:05:42 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, xD something like that xD 14:05:51 <linuxmodder> been tutoring and doing startup/respins stuff hence my absence/delays 14:05:57 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, +1, me too 14:06:18 <linuxmodder> and stuff with mozilla land 14:06:45 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, cool! Please ask for support of pentium again! Please! Please! 14:06:53 <x3mboy> sorry, That was off-topic 14:06:56 <linuxmodder> in ff ? 14:07:02 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, yes 14:07:06 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: If you want to action me and you for leaving comments, we can follow up on that next week 14:07:20 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, ok 14:07:20 <jwf|matrix> I'll make sure to get comments into the document, although I don't think I'll be here for future meetings 14:07:31 <linuxmodder> use < ff52 :P sadly not seeing that come back that was a heated change 14:07:53 <x3mboy> #action jwf will add comments to the documment to follow up next week 14:08:14 <x3mboy> Ok 14:08:19 <x3mboy> Moving on 14:08:26 <x3mboy> #topic Upcoming Tasks 14:08:31 <x3mboy> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-marketing-tasks.html 14:08:55 <x3mboy> #info (1) Beta Freeze (Tue 2017-05-16, 00:00 UTC) 14:09:03 <x3mboy> #info (2) Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline (Tue 2017-05-16) 14:09:11 <x3mboy> #info (3) Email WGs to solicit bullet points for Beta release announcement (due: Fri 2017-05-19) 14:09:16 <x3mboy> #topic Open Floor 14:09:40 <x3mboy> Sorry for my poor chairing of the meeting, I will try to improve to next time 14:10:18 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Practice makes perfect, it's really not a big issue :) 14:10:23 <linuxmodder> x3mboy, poor chairing ? don't be so hard on yoursef chairing is made to look eay peasy by veterans we all start somewhere 14:10:42 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder++ 14:11:01 <x3mboy> Thanks 14:12:15 <x3mboy> I have a question 14:12:33 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Sure! 14:13:33 <x3mboy> Dates are really close, we have Sub-Project Report @ 2017-05-24 and Fedora 26 Beta Release Readiness meeting @ 2017-05-25 14:14:04 <jwf|matrix> Oh, phew 14:14:13 <linuxmodder> welcome to cram life :P 14:14:14 <jwf|matrix> I hadn't realized how close the dates were there 14:14:33 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, LOL 14:14:52 <x3mboy> Ok, So we should work with both points at the same time 14:14:57 <linuxmodder> they have been same day before 14:14:58 * jwf|matrix has a hard stop now, though – need to head out! 14:15:02 <jwf|matrix> Thanks x3mboy for chairing :) 14:15:04 <jwf|matrix> .thank x3mboy 14:15:04 <zodbot> jwf|matrix thinks x3mboy is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to x3mboy++ also) 14:15:24 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, ok, see ya! I will end soon 14:15:46 * linuxmodder has to head out in 5 mins too so d/c now 14:15:48 <x3mboy> Well, I have nothing else for Open Floor 14:15:50 <x3mboy> ??? 14:15:56 <x3mboy> If no I will close 14:16:38 <x3mboy> Going once... 14:16:51 <x3mboy> Going twice... 14:17:03 <x3mboy> Going thrice 14:17:10 <x3mboy> And thanks for coming 14:17:27 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, Rhea, Amita, jwf, jwf|matrix 14:17:33 <x3mboy> #endmeeting