21:00:25 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:25 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 25 21:00:25 2017 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:25 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:25 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:28 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 21:00:28 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:30 <stickster> #topic Roll call 21:00:32 <stickster> .hello pfrields 21:00:33 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 21:00:54 <jhogarth> .hello2 21:00:55 <zodbot> jhogarth: jhogarth 'James Hogarth' <james.hogarth@gmail.com> 21:01:31 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 21:01:32 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 21:01:36 <stickster> o/ folks! 21:01:42 <stickster> #chair jhogarth ryanlerch jwf 21:01:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: jhogarth jwf ryanlerch stickster 21:01:45 <ryanlerch> morning stickster, jhogarth 21:02:22 <stickster> morning ryanlerch! 21:03:13 <stickster> OK, let's roll 21:03:16 <stickster> #topic Last week in review 21:05:09 <stickster> #info last week was 51K views, up over previous week's 46K views 21:05:29 <ryanlerch> wooo! 21:05:45 <stickster> Thank you to ryanlerch jwf and the crew for keeping things going so well... I was basically out of commission the last three weeks while traveling and recuperating 21:05:57 <jhogarth> yay! 21:06:38 <stickster> We want to try to aim for > 60-65K per week if we want to get toward the 3M views in 2017 goal 21:06:40 <ryanlerch> jhogarth++ too, thanks for writing awesome articles during this peroid too 21:06:45 <stickster> but this is definitely great progress 21:07:22 <stickster> May has a week left, hopefully we can get it up to the March/April totals 21:07:27 * jhogarth feels the pressure ;) 21:07:33 * stickster considering rescheduling an old article to re-bump 21:07:57 <ryanlerch> our daily average for 2017 so far is 7,540 21:08:59 <ryanlerch> so projected at that average is 2.75M 21:09:21 <stickster> not too shabby 21:09:25 <ryanlerch> so i think it is still doable, with 2 releases not done, and a bit of extra ramping up 21:09:45 <stickster> agreed -- building up some noise around Beta will help too 21:09:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure 21:09:58 <jhogarth> beta was delayed :( 21:10:08 <ryanlerch> and the news-style posts work well 21:10:21 <stickster> yeah jhogarth :-( 21:10:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: agreed 21:10:26 <ryanlerch> e.g. the MP3 one, and the DPI one 21:10:37 <stickster> Especially if they're about something high-demand! 21:10:52 <ryanlerch> we just need to try to get moree in the community to give us tips! 21:11:06 <ryanlerch> stickster: jhogarth: 21:11:17 * jhogarth feels greater pressure :P 21:11:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: I wonder if someone would like a "Run Fedora on your MacBook on extra disk" article 21:11:21 <ryanlerch> yeah, we usually don't communicate slips on the magazine 21:11:55 <ryanlerch> ^ that was WRT the beta being delayed 21:12:05 <stickster> #idea get through Pending Review and Drafts, then talk a bit about getting more contribution in 21:12:15 <ryanlerch> stickster++ 21:12:28 <stickster> good discussion we really need to have... 21:12:35 <stickster> #topic Pending Review 21:13:02 <stickster> #info --- Certbot --- 21:13:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17556&preview=1&_ppp=408dab9cb5 21:13:11 <stickster> jhogarth++ for this one! 21:13:11 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jhogarth changed to 5 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:13:15 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY 21:13:22 * jhogarth does a little dance and thanks stickster and ryanlerch for their feedback 21:14:21 <stickster> jhogarth: I added sentence to that extra para... can you refresh, and tell me -- are the new capabilities the things covered below? 21:14:50 <stickster> ryanlerch: This one may need an image but I think is ready to go, good SEO and readability scores 21:15:12 <jhogarth> stickster, that's better - thanks :) 21:15:23 <jhogarth> stickster++ 21:15:23 <zodbot> jhogarth: Karma for pfrields changed to 13 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:15:58 * stickster is out of the article now 21:16:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: So is this for tomorrow then? 21:16:14 <stickster> er, "today" your time 21:16:36 <jhogarth> might want to tag it with "using software" and "for system adninistrators" as the categories like the NM article? 21:16:56 <stickster> done 21:17:34 * stickster was going to see if ryanlerch can do the image 21:17:59 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, i can do the featured image today 21:18:13 <stickster> \o/ 21:18:14 <ryanlerch> and do the push at 0800UTC 21:18:29 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image and push Certbot article 0800 UTC 2017-05-26 21:18:36 <stickster> #topic Drafts 21:18:39 <ryanlerch> you two are both happy with the copy? 21:18:40 * jhogarth does another little dance 21:18:53 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm satisfied, yeah! 21:19:27 <ryanlerch> fantastic! 21:19:40 <jhogarth> I got positive feedback from the certbot guys and I'm happy and grateful for your tweaks so I'm happy :) 21:20:22 <stickster> coolio 21:20:32 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:21:08 <stickster> #info --- F26 Beta --- 21:21:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17583&preview=1&_ppp=a4b8e59a39 21:21:19 <stickster> This is being worked already by mattdm & x3mboy[m] 21:21:46 <stickster> So, ready when it's ready I guess -- not going to matter for Tuesday the 30th AIUI :-( 21:22:27 <stickster> #info --- RasPi --- 21:22:29 <jhogarth> oh well, if it doesn't meet QA beta requirements then it doesn't go ... at least we have QA ;) 21:22:30 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=17440&preview=1&_ppp=59cfb58232 21:22:37 <stickster> yup, roger that 21:23:03 <stickster> So this raspi article was being run by pbrobinson who does a *LOT* of Pi work, and I think he had some issues with it 21:23:41 <ryanlerch> yeah, IMHO, this might be a good one to do after GA 21:24:07 <ryanlerch> gives us some more time to vet it 21:25:41 <stickster> Agreed... how can we handle that? Should we ask pbrobinson to give us some feedback on list? 21:26:00 <stickster> I think the author already reached out to him 21:26:32 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think that is the best course of action here 21:27:52 <stickster> #action stickster write to list to explain next actions 21:28:15 <stickster> #info --- Flock update --- 21:28:18 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=17498&action=edit 21:28:51 <stickster> This was my placeholder for a "Flock registration/submissions open" article, we could do this for Monday IMHO 21:29:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1, or ASAP if needed 21:29:28 <stickster> #action stickster finish article and image and set up for publication ASAP 21:29:43 * ryanlerch can do the featured image 21:29:45 <stickster> I might be able to get it out there Sunday, but definitely by Monday (holiday notwithstanding) 21:29:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: go for it! 21:29:52 <stickster> #undo 21:29:52 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:29:28 : stickster finish article and image and set up for publication ASAP 21:30:05 <stickster> #action stickster finish article and set up for publication no later than Monday 2017-05-29 21:30:12 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for Flock article 21:30:15 * jhogarth apologises but needs to duck out to house chores before bed 21:30:26 <stickster> no problem jhogarth, thanks for being here! 21:30:34 <ryanlerch> jhogarth: ditto, thanks! 21:31:53 <stickster> #info Nothing else has been touched in several weeks 21:32:57 <ryanlerch> so, we have a monday post, but htat is it 21:32:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: should we still have discussion about contributor attraction? 21:33:01 <stickster> oh wait 21:33:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: I still have an idea pending... "Fedora on your MacBook's external drive" 21:33:20 <ryanlerch> i *think* cprofitt had another HDYF in the works 21:33:54 <stickster> ryanlerch: also... we might be able to reschedule an old goodie 21:33:59 <ryanlerch> stickster: ooh, i think that one will go great guns! 21:34:10 <stickster> I could have that ready for next Wed or Friday 21:34:49 <ryanlerch> x3mboy[m]: did have one schduled for this past Wednesday, doing jed, the next in the editor series 21:35:11 <ryanlerch> but there is no draft in there forit 21:35:39 * ryanlerch is happy to write another post too, if we can think of something to write about 21:35:43 <ryanlerch> :D 21:36:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: I wonder if https://fedoramagazine.org/must-have-gnome-extension-gtile/ still work? 21:36:08 <stickster> *works? 21:36:48 <stickster> yup, like gangbusters! 21:37:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: What if we schedule that for next Friday? 21:37:46 <stickster> Needs a new featured image, but I could do that 21:37:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1, i can do a featured image for it, and do some edits and refreshing 21:37:57 <stickster> oh haha 21:38:05 <stickster> I'm always willing to let the expert do the art 21:38:21 <stickster> OK, so we have: 21:38:42 <stickster> Fri -- certbot; Mon -- Flock; Wed -- MacBook; Fri -- gTile (if nothing else) 21:38:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: you're doing like 3 images there, is that OK? 21:39:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack! not a problem 21:39:05 <stickster> I can def handle the one for the macbook article 21:39:13 <stickster> you probably do these in like 5 min as compared to my 50 21:39:23 <ryanlerch> if the HDYF is ready, we can do that on friday, and keep the gtile one in the bank 21:39:27 <stickster> agreed 21:39:47 <ryanlerch> + i will be on the look out for newsy posts 21:40:15 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri May 26 - Certbot; Mon May 29 - Flock; Wed May 31 - MacBook; Fri Jun 2 - either gTile or HDYF 21:40:18 <ryanlerch> not sure where they are coming from, but some of the tweets on the main Fedora twitter lately have just been links 21:40:25 <stickster> o_O 21:40:33 <ryanlerch> i sometimes try to write them up in a magazine post 21:40:43 <ryanlerch> that is what i did with the highDPI one 21:41:06 <ryanlerch> well, links + the title of the blogpost it is linking to 21:41:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: oh no, I hope we're not backsliding into just feeding posts into the Twitter feed without context 21:41:26 <ryanlerch> stickster: oh, not magazine links 21:41:49 <ryanlerch> these are tweets someone has posted, linking to external blogs and sites 21:42:02 <cprofitt> sorry I am late 21:42:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: tweets like this: 21:42:23 <ryanlerch> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/867775770801786880 21:42:42 <stickster> right, I mean random blog entries without context :-( 21:42:55 <cprofitt> I have three HDYF articles in process. One, I hope, will be done this weekend if needed. 21:42:56 * stickster thinks that's not very good on the social engagement-o-meter 21:43:00 <ryanlerch> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/867362810208145408 21:43:03 <stickster> cprofitt: Wow! That's awesome 21:43:06 <stickster> cprofitt++ 21:43:06 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for cprofitt changed to 7 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:43:10 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY 21:43:12 <ryanlerch> cprofitt++ 21:43:12 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for cprofitt changed to 8 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:43:22 <cprofitt> thanks guys. 21:43:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: Right... my point is, without context, how are we engaging anyone or making them care or be excited about Fedora? 21:43:51 <ryanlerch> so its looking like fortnightly on a friday is your slot, cprofitt :) 21:44:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, agreed. 21:44:18 <cprofitt> ryanlerch: sounds good. 21:44:18 <ryanlerch> some i have been re-writing, and trying to get the context 21:44:25 <stickster> *nod 21:44:34 <cprofitt> social media... 21:44:39 <ryanlerch> or in the high dpi case, i wrote a magazine article, and crafted a better tweet 21:44:59 <ryanlerch> but, not sure where the tweets are coming from TBH 21:45:24 <ryanlerch> s bunch of people have access on tweetdeck, and unlike FB, it doenst tell me the user that sent them 21:45:30 <cprofitt> the tweet or G+ or Facebook post need to tease the article content... and make people interested in the story. 21:45:42 <cprofitt> is there an issue with the current tweets? 21:46:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: right 21:46:28 <stickster> cprofitt: I think we do a pretty good job on those 21:46:50 <stickster> cprofitt: we're just rat-holing a bit on there being some other tweets out there without much context or stickiness 21:46:57 <stickster> anyhoo 21:47:03 <stickster> #topic MOAR CONTRIBUTORS 21:47:13 <cprofitt> I thought so... I don't use twitter alot so thought I missed something. 21:47:20 <stickster> So what we could use is getting more folks on board with article writing 21:47:48 <ryanlerch> stickster++ 21:47:50 <stickster> we're gifted with a few great contributors like cprofitt, jhogarth, x3mboy for example... but need more 21:48:13 <cprofitt> I think that it was easy for me to get involved because I was able to pick up the series... 21:48:18 <cprofitt> it gave me a place to 'fit' 21:48:40 <stickster> also we need people to walk in not with either (1) the willingness to be assigned a topic we know will be popular; or (2) the expertise to write a great article on their own preferred topic 21:48:45 <stickster> s/not// 21:48:47 <stickster> lol 21:48:59 <cprofitt> Then when I was comfortable I was able to write a few more articles (technical)... I wonder if there are some easy low hanging fruit that could be series that people could write. 21:49:18 <stickster> cprofitt: that's exactly what we try to put in the "Starter Pitches" category 21:49:30 <stickster> first thing first... getting the bodies in the door :-D 21:49:53 <cprofitt> yes, but the started pitches are not a series... they are spread out a bit... I could have written a few of them, but some I had no skill for... 21:49:55 <stickster> I wonder if we could add some encouragement or do something Ambassador related that would get people in as writers? 21:50:13 <cprofitt> I have a fealing of ownership of the HDYF series now and it feels like my baby... 21:50:21 <stickster> cprofitt: in a good or bad way? 21:50:22 <cprofitt> I have great attachment to it... 21:50:27 <stickster> ah, sounds goood 21:50:30 <cprofitt> good way. 21:50:32 <stickster> with three o's, it's so good 21:50:38 <stickster> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood 21:50:55 <stickster> like, what if an Ambassador could give out a pamphlet or flyer advertising to potential writers at an event? 21:51:11 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: that is a good point, if there was a low-hanging fruit series, with some starter pitches already done, that might be a good thing 21:51:23 <stickster> ryanlerch: the editor series seems like a good match for that 21:51:28 <cprofitt> Anything that someone can feel ownership for is better than some random assignment. 21:51:29 <ryanlerch> maybe the text-editors "series" might work 21:51:34 <ryanlerch> lol stickster 21:51:34 <stickster> lol *jinx 21:51:38 <stickster> lol *metajinx 21:51:39 * ryanlerch types slow 21:52:04 <stickster> ryanlerch: this sounds like a good idea to take to list 21:52:13 <ryanlerch> stickster: agreed 21:52:20 <stickster> like can we come up with a couple other low-hanging fruit seris 21:52:32 <ryanlerch> also, i think there is value in getting people to give us tips and ideas 21:52:41 <stickster> *series, even. Like... music players, or image viewers 21:52:41 <ryanlerch> especially from within the community 21:52:44 <cprofitt> we could start a series that summarizes recent events -- the writer could reach out to people who attended, represented and do an interview... that would be a regular thing they could make therw own. A regular 'ask Fedora Magazine' series is another idea 21:52:44 <stickster> yes 21:53:11 <stickster> cprofitt: ASK FEDORA MAGAZINE: INSTANT HUGE +1 21:53:13 <stickster> what a great idea 21:53:24 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: awesome! 21:53:31 <stickster> MY GOD IT'S SO SIMPLE AND ELEGANT, HOW DID WE NOT THINK OF IT BEFORE 21:53:41 * stickster literally almost fell off his chair 21:53:45 * cprofitt aww shucks 21:53:52 <cprofitt> that is my one good idea for this month. 21:54:08 * cprofitt smiles 21:54:10 <ryanlerch> cprofitt: lucky for us, the month is almost over 21:54:10 <stickster> I'm not kidding... does anyone remember "Ask Shadowman" in the original, glossy Red Hat Magazine? 21:54:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: +1 :-D 21:54:32 <ryanlerch> so better get working on another good idea for next weeks meeiting ;) 21:54:38 <cprofitt> lol 21:54:50 <stickster> cprofitt: Throw this idea on the list. I already have an idea how to implement 21:54:59 <stickster> now that the Magazine can send email :-) 21:55:32 <stickster> #action cprofitt send "Ask F-Mag" idea to the list 21:55:34 <cprofitt> will do. 21:55:42 <cprofitt> what list? 21:55:44 <cprofitt> :-) 21:55:44 <stickster> #action ryanlerch take low-hanging fruit series idea to the list 21:55:47 <cprofitt> mailing list? 21:55:49 <stickster> cprofitt: magazine@lists.fp.o 21:55:52 <stickster> yeah 21:56:09 <stickster> #action stickster take pamphlet idea to the list 21:56:37 <stickster> so guys... I have a hard stop in ~3 minutes, any other ideas to throw onto the table while we're here? 21:56:50 <ryanlerch> so just to confirm, HDYF on friday, rather than gtile? 21:57:45 <stickster> yes, gtile is only if needed 21:58:43 <stickster> OK, sounds like nothing else, we can close in 30 sec 21:59:09 <cprofitt> I am good... glad I made the tail end of the meeting. 21:59:14 <stickster> me too cprofitt 21:59:21 <stickster> thanks again for your HDYF work, it's awesome 21:59:32 <cprofitt> no problem... it is fun to do. 21:59:42 <stickster> OK, thanks everyone! See you next week, same bat-time, same bat-channel 21:59:44 <stickster> #endmeeting