18:00:36 <relrod> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2017-06-29)
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18:00:36 <relrod> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:36 <relrod> #topic aloha
18:00:36 <relrod> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson
18:00:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:41 <clime> hi
18:00:43 <relrod> #topic New folks introductions
18:00:54 <relrod> Afternoon, all :)
18:01:06 <puiterwijk> hi
18:01:15 <Skeer> hi
18:01:36 <relrod> Any new folks who would like to briefly introduce themselves?
18:01:45 <nirik> morning everyone
18:01:54 <bgray> hi
18:02:04 <marc84> hi
18:02:57 <relrod> okay then :)
18:03:23 <relrod> #topic announcements and information
18:03:23 <relrod> #info F26 final freeze
18:03:23 <relrod> #info Final freeze is always a hard freeze. Please make sure +2 is given before commits to frozen systems.
18:03:23 <relrod> #info nagios fully templated in Infrastructure
18:03:24 <relrod> #info kojipkgs adjusted to hopefully prevent download failures - kevin
18:03:25 <relrod> #info cloud upgraded and rebooted - relrod/patrick
18:04:10 <nirik> been a somewhat quiet week for once. ;)
18:04:15 <relrod> Does anyone have any additional information items they'd like to note? :)
18:04:45 * nirik does have one discussion item he failed to add to the goby in advance...
18:05:02 <relrod> nirik: worth noting the phx2 trip yet as #info? Or wait until closer?
18:05:15 <nirik> sure, if you like yeah...
18:05:21 <nirik> always good to know in advance.
18:05:22 <relrod> okay
18:05:54 <relrod> #info phx2 colo trip coming up, August 14-18
18:06:30 <relrod> Anyone have anything else #info-worthy?
18:06:56 <nirik> #info flock coming up at the end of aug
18:07:40 <relrod> Alright
18:07:50 <relrod> #topic nirik's discussion item ;)
18:07:58 <relrod> nirik: all you
18:08:12 <nirik> #topic Service Level Expectations (SLE)
18:08:28 <nirik> see: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6140
18:08:42 <nirik> basically we want a way to set consumers of our services expectations.
18:08:56 <nirik> so they know how fast we hope to respond/fix problems depending on service.
18:09:22 <nirik> notice that this isn't a SLA, because we don't have any agreement with people and money isnt changing hands.
18:09:31 <nirik> this is more community/open infra
18:09:43 <puffi> Will it have any tiers?
18:10:05 <nirik> I've started a draft at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/ServiceLevelExpectations
18:10:08 <nirik> puffi: yes
18:10:39 <Skeer> Will this involved some sort of classification of services?
18:10:55 <Skeer> (i.e. crtitical, deployment, features, bug, etc)
18:10:57 <nirik> yep. And I propose we do this via domains...
18:11:31 <nirik> ie, fedoraproject.org are our most supported services... but something like app.fedoracommunity.org would be much less so
18:12:09 <nirik> I'm planning a thread on the list on this too, just wanted to bring it up and see what folks think. :)
18:12:24 <nirik> likely we also will want to redesign our status page around this
18:12:35 <Skeer> have there been issues in the past that a lack of somehting like this causes grief?
18:13:19 <nirik> yeah, in particular many folks seem to think copr is a first class/critical support app, even though it says it's not on it's pages...
18:13:21 <Skeer> or maybe teh thought it just being proactive?
18:13:27 <Skeer> Ahh
18:13:36 <nirik> also, we are working with other groups now and we also want to have expectations there.
18:14:01 <nirik> ie, if we use centos ci... how quickly can they be assured we will fix some problem on our side that breaks things.
18:14:10 <nirik> and vice versa
18:14:13 <Skeer> Makes sense. I would just wondering about the amount of effort versus the gain but looks like you;ve got that part handled ;)
18:14:29 <nirik> yeah, I don't think we need to super overthink this...
18:14:37 <nirik> just nice to have a way to tell people what to expect.
18:15:02 <nirik> we could also adjust our nagios somewhat based on this...
18:15:09 <relrod> I was just going to ask that
18:15:25 <nirik> ie, a low pri service wouldn't page anyone off hours, just notice via email or irc for anyone that happened to be awake and wanted to look.
18:16:36 <nirik> anyhow, thats it.
18:16:42 <nirik> look for more discussion down the road. ;)
18:16:47 <relrod> cool, that sounds good
18:17:03 <relrod> Anyone have any other discussion items that didn't make it into the Gobby doc?
18:17:43 <relrod> okay moving on
18:17:45 <relrod> #topic Apprentice Open office hours
18:18:15 <bgray> any additional 'easyfix' infra issues would be appreciated. I'm looking for more to get involved with.
18:18:24 <relrod> Any fi-apprentices need help, have questions, looking for things to do or for people to test things?
18:18:52 <relrod> bgray: *nod*
18:19:06 <nirik> yeah, can try and do some filing/culling soon...
18:19:22 <bgray> that would be great!
18:21:08 <relrod> will move to open floor soon if nothing else from apprentices here
18:21:28 <smooge> sounds good
18:21:55 <relrod> #topic Open Floor
18:22:21 <nirik> If folks have extra cycles, do help test f26 rc's (as soon as we have one). ;)
18:22:23 <relrod> Okay: Anything else on peoples' minds? Anyone at all have questions/need help/want to tell us their favorite kind of ice cream?
18:24:03 <clime> Icecream that you get for free
18:24:15 <Skeer> ^ this guy
18:24:33 <relrod> :)
18:25:16 <nirik> coffee chip. ;)
18:25:35 <relrod> never had it
18:26:05 <relrod> okay will close out soon if nobody has anything else
18:26:10 <smooge> thanks relrod
18:26:25 <nirik> thanks relrod
18:26:27 <clime> thx relrod
18:26:30 <relrod> thanks for coming all!
18:26:34 <bgray> thanks!
18:26:37 <relrod> #endmeeting