18:00:36 <relrod> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2017-06-29) 18:00:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 29 18:00:36 2017 UTC. The chair is relrod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:36 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2017-06-29)' 18:00:36 <relrod> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:36 <relrod> #topic aloha 18:00:36 <relrod> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson 18:00:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:00:41 <clime> hi 18:00:43 <relrod> #topic New folks introductions 18:00:54 <relrod> Afternoon, all :) 18:01:06 <puiterwijk> hi 18:01:15 <Skeer> hi 18:01:36 <relrod> Any new folks who would like to briefly introduce themselves? 18:01:45 <nirik> morning everyone 18:01:54 <bgray> hi 18:02:04 <marc84> hi 18:02:57 <relrod> okay then :) 18:03:23 <relrod> #topic announcements and information 18:03:23 <relrod> #info F26 final freeze 18:03:23 <relrod> #info Final freeze is always a hard freeze. Please make sure +2 is given before commits to frozen systems. 18:03:23 <relrod> #info nagios fully templated in Infrastructure 18:03:24 <relrod> #info kojipkgs adjusted to hopefully prevent download failures - kevin 18:03:25 <relrod> #info cloud upgraded and rebooted - relrod/patrick 18:04:10 <nirik> been a somewhat quiet week for once. ;) 18:04:15 <relrod> Does anyone have any additional information items they'd like to note? :) 18:04:45 * nirik does have one discussion item he failed to add to the goby in advance... 18:05:02 <relrod> nirik: worth noting the phx2 trip yet as #info? Or wait until closer? 18:05:15 <nirik> sure, if you like yeah... 18:05:21 <nirik> always good to know in advance. 18:05:22 <relrod> okay 18:05:54 <relrod> #info phx2 colo trip coming up, August 14-18 18:06:30 <relrod> Anyone have anything else #info-worthy? 18:06:56 <nirik> #info flock coming up at the end of aug 18:07:40 <relrod> Alright 18:07:50 <relrod> #topic nirik's discussion item ;) 18:07:58 <relrod> nirik: all you 18:08:12 <nirik> #topic Service Level Expectations (SLE) 18:08:28 <nirik> see: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6140 18:08:42 <nirik> basically we want a way to set consumers of our services expectations. 18:08:56 <nirik> so they know how fast we hope to respond/fix problems depending on service. 18:09:22 <nirik> notice that this isn't a SLA, because we don't have any agreement with people and money isnt changing hands. 18:09:31 <nirik> this is more community/open infra 18:09:43 <puffi> Will it have any tiers? 18:10:05 <nirik> I've started a draft at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/ServiceLevelExpectations 18:10:08 <nirik> puffi: yes 18:10:39 <Skeer> Will this involved some sort of classification of services? 18:10:55 <Skeer> (i.e. crtitical, deployment, features, bug, etc) 18:10:57 <nirik> yep. And I propose we do this via domains... 18:11:31 <nirik> ie, fedoraproject.org are our most supported services... but something like app.fedoracommunity.org would be much less so 18:12:09 <nirik> I'm planning a thread on the list on this too, just wanted to bring it up and see what folks think. :) 18:12:24 <nirik> likely we also will want to redesign our status page around this 18:12:35 <Skeer> have there been issues in the past that a lack of somehting like this causes grief? 18:13:19 <nirik> yeah, in particular many folks seem to think copr is a first class/critical support app, even though it says it's not on it's pages... 18:13:21 <Skeer> or maybe teh thought it just being proactive? 18:13:27 <Skeer> Ahh 18:13:36 <nirik> also, we are working with other groups now and we also want to have expectations there. 18:14:01 <nirik> ie, if we use centos ci... how quickly can they be assured we will fix some problem on our side that breaks things. 18:14:10 <nirik> and vice versa 18:14:13 <Skeer> Makes sense. I would just wondering about the amount of effort versus the gain but looks like you;ve got that part handled ;) 18:14:29 <nirik> yeah, I don't think we need to super overthink this... 18:14:37 <nirik> just nice to have a way to tell people what to expect. 18:15:02 <nirik> we could also adjust our nagios somewhat based on this... 18:15:09 <relrod> I was just going to ask that 18:15:25 <nirik> ie, a low pri service wouldn't page anyone off hours, just notice via email or irc for anyone that happened to be awake and wanted to look. 18:16:36 <nirik> anyhow, thats it. 18:16:42 <nirik> look for more discussion down the road. ;) 18:16:47 <relrod> cool, that sounds good 18:17:03 <relrod> Anyone have any other discussion items that didn't make it into the Gobby doc? 18:17:43 <relrod> okay moving on 18:17:45 <relrod> #topic Apprentice Open office hours 18:18:15 <bgray> any additional 'easyfix' infra issues would be appreciated. I'm looking for more to get involved with. 18:18:24 <relrod> Any fi-apprentices need help, have questions, looking for things to do or for people to test things? 18:18:52 <relrod> bgray: *nod* 18:19:06 <nirik> yeah, can try and do some filing/culling soon... 18:19:22 <bgray> that would be great! 18:21:08 <relrod> will move to open floor soon if nothing else from apprentices here 18:21:28 <smooge> sounds good 18:21:55 <relrod> #topic Open Floor 18:22:21 <nirik> If folks have extra cycles, do help test f26 rc's (as soon as we have one). ;) 18:22:23 <relrod> Okay: Anything else on peoples' minds? Anyone at all have questions/need help/want to tell us their favorite kind of ice cream? 18:24:03 <clime> Icecream that you get for free 18:24:15 <Skeer> ^ this guy 18:24:33 <relrod> :) 18:25:16 <nirik> coffee chip. ;) 18:25:35 <relrod> never had it 18:26:05 <relrod> okay will close out soon if nobody has anything else 18:26:10 <smooge> thanks relrod 18:26:25 <nirik> thanks relrod 18:26:27 <clime> thx relrod 18:26:30 <relrod> thanks for coming all! 18:26:34 <bgray> thanks! 18:26:37 <relrod> #endmeeting