18:00:36 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2017-06-29) 18:00:36 Meeting started Thu Jun 29 18:00:36 2017 UTC. The chair is relrod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure_(2017-06-29)' 18:00:36 #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:36 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:36 #topic aloha 18:00:36 #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 dgilmore threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson 18:00:36 Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:00:41 hi 18:00:43 #topic New folks introductions 18:00:54 Afternoon, all :) 18:01:06 hi 18:01:15 hi 18:01:36 Any new folks who would like to briefly introduce themselves? 18:01:45 morning everyone 18:01:54 hi 18:02:04 hi 18:02:57 okay then :) 18:03:23 #topic announcements and information 18:03:23 #info F26 final freeze 18:03:23 #info Final freeze is always a hard freeze. Please make sure +2 is given before commits to frozen systems. 18:03:23 #info nagios fully templated in Infrastructure 18:03:24 #info kojipkgs adjusted to hopefully prevent download failures - kevin 18:03:25 #info cloud upgraded and rebooted - relrod/patrick 18:04:10 been a somewhat quiet week for once. ;) 18:04:15 Does anyone have any additional information items they'd like to note? :) 18:04:45 * nirik does have one discussion item he failed to add to the goby in advance... 18:05:02 nirik: worth noting the phx2 trip yet as #info? Or wait until closer? 18:05:15 sure, if you like yeah... 18:05:21 always good to know in advance. 18:05:22 okay 18:05:54 #info phx2 colo trip coming up, August 14-18 18:06:30 Anyone have anything else #info-worthy? 18:06:56 #info flock coming up at the end of aug 18:07:40 Alright 18:07:50 #topic nirik's discussion item ;) 18:07:58 nirik: all you 18:08:12 #topic Service Level Expectations (SLE) 18:08:28 see: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6140 18:08:42 basically we want a way to set consumers of our services expectations. 18:08:56 so they know how fast we hope to respond/fix problems depending on service. 18:09:22 notice that this isn't a SLA, because we don't have any agreement with people and money isnt changing hands. 18:09:31 this is more community/open infra 18:09:43 Will it have any tiers? 18:10:05 I've started a draft at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/ServiceLevelExpectations 18:10:08 puffi: yes 18:10:39 Will this involved some sort of classification of services? 18:10:55 (i.e. crtitical, deployment, features, bug, etc) 18:10:57 yep. And I propose we do this via domains... 18:11:31 ie, fedoraproject.org are our most supported services... but something like app.fedoracommunity.org would be much less so 18:12:09 I'm planning a thread on the list on this too, just wanted to bring it up and see what folks think. :) 18:12:24 likely we also will want to redesign our status page around this 18:12:35 have there been issues in the past that a lack of somehting like this causes grief? 18:13:19 yeah, in particular many folks seem to think copr is a first class/critical support app, even though it says it's not on it's pages... 18:13:21 or maybe teh thought it just being proactive? 18:13:27 Ahh 18:13:36 also, we are working with other groups now and we also want to have expectations there. 18:14:01 ie, if we use centos ci... how quickly can they be assured we will fix some problem on our side that breaks things. 18:14:10 and vice versa 18:14:13 Makes sense. I would just wondering about the amount of effort versus the gain but looks like you;ve got that part handled ;) 18:14:29 yeah, I don't think we need to super overthink this... 18:14:37 just nice to have a way to tell people what to expect. 18:15:02 we could also adjust our nagios somewhat based on this... 18:15:09 I was just going to ask that 18:15:25 ie, a low pri service wouldn't page anyone off hours, just notice via email or irc for anyone that happened to be awake and wanted to look. 18:16:36 anyhow, thats it. 18:16:42 look for more discussion down the road. ;) 18:16:47 cool, that sounds good 18:17:03 Anyone have any other discussion items that didn't make it into the Gobby doc? 18:17:43 okay moving on 18:17:45 #topic Apprentice Open office hours 18:18:15 any additional 'easyfix' infra issues would be appreciated. I'm looking for more to get involved with. 18:18:24 Any fi-apprentices need help, have questions, looking for things to do or for people to test things? 18:18:52 bgray: *nod* 18:19:06 yeah, can try and do some filing/culling soon... 18:19:22 that would be great! 18:21:08 will move to open floor soon if nothing else from apprentices here 18:21:28 sounds good 18:21:55 #topic Open Floor 18:22:21 If folks have extra cycles, do help test f26 rc's (as soon as we have one). ;) 18:22:23 Okay: Anything else on peoples' minds? Anyone at all have questions/need help/want to tell us their favorite kind of ice cream? 18:24:03 Icecream that you get for free 18:24:15 ^ this guy 18:24:33 :) 18:25:16 coffee chip. ;) 18:25:35 never had it 18:26:05 okay will close out soon if nobody has anything else 18:26:10 thanks relrod 18:26:25 thanks relrod 18:26:27 thx relrod 18:26:30 thanks for coming all! 18:26:34 thanks! 18:26:37 #endmeeting