13:00:44 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2017-07-19)
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13:00:46 <mattdm> #meetingname council
13:00:46 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council'
13:00:48 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie
13:00:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck
13:00:50 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
13:00:51 <bexelbie> .hello bex
13:00:52 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
13:00:52 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
13:00:55 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
13:00:59 <mattdm> hi robyduck and bexelbie!
13:01:14 <robyduck> hi!
13:01:19 <bexelbie> hola
13:01:33 <mattdm> I'm glad this is an open floor meeting, because things are crazy at my house
13:01:41 <mattdm> we got a tiny new puppy last week
13:01:44 <mattdm> I am not a dog person
13:01:54 <mattdm> my wife and one kid are going to oregon for a week
13:02:03 <robyduck> mattdm: are we in the same boat? :/
13:02:25 <mattdm> and the other kid -- the dog-responsible one -- has a all-day birthday party extravaganza for one of her best friends
13:02:40 <mattdm> so it's basically the set-up for a wacky comedy movie
13:02:44 <robyduck> so it's your turn...as always
13:02:55 <mattdm> where i learn something about how great dogs are or the true meaning of love or whatnot
13:03:16 <mattdm> meanwhile, things are not exactly quiet in Fedora land
13:03:48 <mattdm> so yeah. :)
13:04:02 <bexelbie> Maybe the dog is supposed to learn about Fedora?
13:04:06 * bexelbie hasn't seen the movie ...
13:04:14 <mattdm> Do we have langdon and jwb and maybe jreznik?
13:04:26 <langdon> .hello langdon
13:04:26 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon+fas@redhat.com>
13:04:32 <langdon> im here.. but a bit distracted
13:04:37 <jreznik> .hello jreznik
13:04:38 <zodbot> jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' <jreznik@redhat.com>
13:04:42 <mattdm> #chair jreznik
13:04:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jreznik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck
13:04:52 <mattdm> #info jreznik sitting in for jkurik
13:05:10 <mattdm> Is josh jwboyer right now instead of jwb?
13:05:21 <mattdm> anyway, this an open floor meeting
13:05:25 <mattdm> so let's collect topics
13:05:27 <mattdm> #topic Today's Open Floor Agenda
13:05:28 <robyduck> jreznik: will you be the election wrangler this time?
13:05:43 <mattdm> that's a good topic :)
13:05:59 <jreznik> robyduck: jkurik should be back for elections, at least that's what he told me
13:06:20 <mattdm> #info jkurik should be back for f27-cycle elections
13:06:57 <mattdm> okay, so I rewrote the Overview/Missions/Foundation page
13:07:00 <mattdm> that's one topic
13:07:07 <mattdm> there's some trademark stuff going on
13:07:49 <mattdm> and there's third-party software policy
13:07:57 <mattdm> anything else anyone wants to cover today?
13:09:11 <bexelbie> nope
13:09:13 <mattdm> no? ok, then...
13:09:15 * bexelbie is buried in flock
13:09:19 <mattdm> agenda will be
13:09:34 <mattdm> #info 1. Mission update
13:09:39 <mattdm> #info 2. Trademark stuff
13:09:47 <mattdm> #info 3. Third-Party Software Policy
13:10:02 <mattdm> and we'll add anything more to the end if need be
13:10:08 <mattdm> or maybe go quickly today
13:10:17 <mattdm> #topic Fedora Project Mission Update
13:10:31 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/117
13:10:40 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview-DRAFT
13:11:01 <mattdm> The basic thing here is that I wrote this draft and want all of your comments on it
13:11:07 <mattdm> (put comments in the ticket)
13:11:22 <mattdm> It's adapted from the existing Overview, Foundations, and Mission pages and is intended to replace them all
13:11:38 <mattdm> and I'd like to put them in the new Docs System rather than on the wiki
13:11:48 <robyduck> can we add ARM too to "how to get Fedora?"
13:11:48 <mattdm> actually, put "it" not put "them"
13:11:58 * bexelbie reads
13:12:35 <mattdm> I don't necessarily need feedback immediately but over the course of the next week
13:12:58 <bexelbie> on first glance, looks good
13:13:04 <mattdm> robyduck: is there not a link to arm at https://alt.fedoraproject.org/?
13:13:10 <mattdm> I didn't want that to be an overwhelming list
13:13:31 <mattdm> I can add arm though
13:13:48 <robyduck> no, there isn't except in the footer
13:13:57 <mattdm> bexelbie: when's the realistic date for New Docs Utopia?
13:14:02 <robyduck> just ARM is missing
13:14:12 <bexelbie> no earlier than 1 August
13:14:26 <bexelbie> depends on how bad flock gets me this week ;)
13:14:48 <mattdm> okay, so I guess one decision is whether to update the wiki pages *now*, or just wait for that
13:14:50 <mattdm> opinions?
13:14:53 <robyduck> mattdm: I like this, and am for not adding Open Source to the mission statement. This page resumes it all fine (open source is parte of the 4Fs)
13:14:54 <mattdm> robyduck: arm added :)
13:15:13 <robyduck> s/parte/part
13:15:24 <mattdm> robyduck: cool. Yeah, I think the context makes it much more clear
13:15:50 <bexelbie> I think that if we could wait until 8/1 we are not harming anymore than it already is
13:15:59 <bexelbie> and it gives us a chance to publish a single url not a url followed by a correction
13:16:18 <mattdm> that's my thinking too
13:16:26 <mattdm> I may also ask Design for help in making it pretty
13:16:32 <langdon> i think i missed a memo.. what new docs system?
13:16:37 <mattdm> is there a prototype docs site they could use to know their options?
13:17:00 <bexelbie> mattdm, not really - but we can work on it
13:17:04 <bexelbie> please hold the design ticket for now
13:17:14 <bexelbie> langdon, we are moving from Docbook to AsciiDoc
13:17:24 <mattdm> okay. will hold
13:17:48 <langdon> bexelbie, ohh.. yes.. ok.. i thought matt meant like "new fedora council website" not like "fedora docs"
13:17:58 <mattdm> bexelbie: want to present on the new system in the Subproject report on August 9th?
13:18:16 <mattdm> langdon: I want to put the Fedora Council stuff in the new Docs site instead of the wiki
13:18:20 <mattdm> as an example to others :)
13:19:10 <bexelbie> mattdm, tentatively :)
13:19:25 <mattdm> bexelbie: writing that in in sharpie
13:19:33 <mattdm> okay, next topic!
13:19:35 <bexelbie> +1 to wiki->elsewhere migration for non-whiteboard content
13:19:41 <bexelbie> erasable sharpies rock
13:19:49 <mattdm> oh it's "erasable"
13:19:56 <mattdm> #topic Trademark stuff
13:20:02 <mattdm> there are two thigns here. First,
13:20:14 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/99
13:20:45 <mattdm> which is a report of some hosting providers providing modified fedora without using the remix brand
13:21:17 <mattdm> spot reached out to both of them and we're on a path for the best possible solution in both cases -- both of them running *unmodded* fedora
13:21:33 <mattdm> that's in progress and we'll update more when things are finalized
13:21:43 <mattdm> the second one is
13:21:45 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/127
13:22:00 <mattdm> a request to make stickers
13:22:02 <mattdm> in apac
13:22:21 <langdon> \o/ stickers!
13:22:25 <mattdm> and robyduck and i already +1'd. It'd be nice to have another +1, or if someone STRENUOUSLY OBJECTS to do so sooner rather than later
13:22:26 * robyduck already gave his +1 to that
13:22:29 <mattdm> I know langdon hates stickers.
13:22:33 * langdon impressed with his contributions today
13:23:18 <mattdm> anything else on this?
13:23:28 <bexelbie> one second
13:24:16 <bexelbie> ok
13:24:17 <bexelbie> thanks
13:24:18 <bexelbie> voted +1
13:24:23 <mattdm> okay then :)
13:24:32 <mattdm> #topic The Third-Party software proposal
13:24:38 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/121
13:24:57 <mattdm> from last week from cschalle:
13:25:03 <mattdm> "Ok, document is now split and all references to Docker has been replaced by Moby, only exception being a paranthesis saying that Moby images are also known as Docker images. Hopefully document should be ready for approval now."
13:25:31 * bexelbie is behind on my reading
13:25:41 <mattdm> I know it's a busy time, but let's try to get this to final approval (or, if it comes to that, rejection) by next week
13:25:50 <mattdm> anyone need more time?
13:26:15 <langdon> o/
13:26:20 <langdon> ohh
13:26:26 <langdon> sorry.. i can do it by next week
13:26:31 <langdon> i thought you meant "now"
13:26:45 <mattdm> langdon next week is fine. There's stuff going on now, I know
13:27:00 <mattdm> not the least of which: very tiny puppies crying in their pens
13:27:13 <bexelbie> +1 next week
13:27:27 <langdon> mattdm, did you get a second one? or are you talking about YOUR puppy?
13:27:27 <robyduck> ok for next week, I'mm still not really happy with that, but I need to read the updated doc
13:27:30 <bexelbie> of course if the proposal makes a puppy cry ... just sayin'
13:27:47 <mattdm> #info council consensus process starting now with deadline
13:28:33 <mattdm> robyduck: I want you to be at least not unhappy :)
13:28:42 <robyduck> :)
13:29:13 <mattdm> robyduck: so let's make sure everything you have with the new "split" draft christian made is in acceptable shape
13:29:29 <mattdm> langdon: not MY pupppy. GUEN's puppy.
13:29:36 <langdon> lies
13:29:52 <mattdm> ftr it is a ridiculously adorable fluffy little thing.
13:29:58 <mattdm> easily mistaken for a stuffed toy
13:29:58 <robyduck> ok, I'll read it carefully and try to write down my concerns if there still are some
13:30:08 <mattdm> robyduck: thanks!
13:30:17 <mattdm> #topic Open Floor
13:30:21 <mattdm> anything else today?
13:30:30 <mattdm> langdon, how's boltron launch looking?
13:31:11 <langdon> mattdm, sorry.. watching that channel.. compose just started
13:31:24 <langdon> had some issues with signing or something yesterday
13:31:42 <langdon> so.. x-ing fingers, 60m til compose.. then testing
13:31:44 <mattdm> langdon: okay. so hopefully later today. I think either today or tomorrow is good. If we miss thursday, let's hold til next week to avoid boring friday news.
13:32:02 <langdon> mattdm, right.. thats why I REALLY want the compose today
13:32:07 <langdon> this morning
13:32:17 <mattdm> +1
13:32:36 <mattdm> anyone anything else?
13:32:49 <langdon> i need a nap
13:33:04 <mattdm> langdon: see if you can convince this puppy to take one with you
13:33:08 <langdon> ha
13:33:35 <mattdm> jreznik: are we doing the Prioritized Bugs meeting in half an hour?
13:33:44 <robyduck> did we ever decide anything about the diversity representative? /me doesn't recall...
13:34:02 <jreznik> mattdm: I can make it but I don't have a clue what's expected there :) so if you could lead
13:34:04 <mattdm> robyduck: no, that's still in the air. we do need to move on that.
13:34:28 <robyduck> ok
13:34:30 <mattdm> jreznik: sure. I'll take this next 25 minutes to attend to puppy problems and see you back here. :)
13:34:58 <mattdm> #endmeeting