13:00:44 #startmeeting Council (2017-07-19) 13:00:44 Meeting started Wed Jul 19 13:00:44 2017 UTC. The chair is mattdm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:00:44 The meeting name has been set to 'council_(2017-07-19)' 13:00:46 #meetingname council 13:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'council' 13:00:48 #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie 13:00:48 Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck 13:00:50 #topic Introductions, Welcomes 13:00:51 .hello bex 13:00:52 bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' 13:00:52 .hello robyduck 13:00:55 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 13:00:59 hi robyduck and bexelbie! 13:01:14 hi! 13:01:19 hola 13:01:33 I'm glad this is an open floor meeting, because things are crazy at my house 13:01:41 we got a tiny new puppy last week 13:01:44 I am not a dog person 13:01:54 my wife and one kid are going to oregon for a week 13:02:03 mattdm: are we in the same boat? :/ 13:02:25 and the other kid -- the dog-responsible one -- has a all-day birthday party extravaganza for one of her best friends 13:02:40 so it's basically the set-up for a wacky comedy movie 13:02:44 so it's your turn...as always 13:02:55 where i learn something about how great dogs are or the true meaning of love or whatnot 13:03:16 meanwhile, things are not exactly quiet in Fedora land 13:03:48 so yeah. :) 13:04:02 Maybe the dog is supposed to learn about Fedora? 13:04:06 * bexelbie hasn't seen the movie ... 13:04:14 Do we have langdon and jwb and maybe jreznik? 13:04:26 .hello langdon 13:04:26 langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' 13:04:32 im here.. but a bit distracted 13:04:37 .hello jreznik 13:04:38 jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' 13:04:42 #chair jreznik 13:04:42 Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jreznik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck 13:04:52 #info jreznik sitting in for jkurik 13:05:10 Is josh jwboyer right now instead of jwb? 13:05:21 anyway, this an open floor meeting 13:05:25 so let's collect topics 13:05:27 #topic Today's Open Floor Agenda 13:05:28 jreznik: will you be the election wrangler this time? 13:05:43 that's a good topic :) 13:05:59 robyduck: jkurik should be back for elections, at least that's what he told me 13:06:20 #info jkurik should be back for f27-cycle elections 13:06:57 okay, so I rewrote the Overview/Missions/Foundation page 13:07:00 that's one topic 13:07:07 there's some trademark stuff going on 13:07:49 and there's third-party software policy 13:07:57 anything else anyone wants to cover today? 13:09:11 nope 13:09:13 no? ok, then... 13:09:15 * bexelbie is buried in flock 13:09:19 agenda will be 13:09:34 #info 1. Mission update 13:09:39 #info 2. Trademark stuff 13:09:47 #info 3. Third-Party Software Policy 13:10:02 and we'll add anything more to the end if need be 13:10:08 or maybe go quickly today 13:10:17 #topic Fedora Project Mission Update 13:10:31 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/117 13:10:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview-DRAFT 13:11:01 The basic thing here is that I wrote this draft and want all of your comments on it 13:11:07 (put comments in the ticket) 13:11:22 It's adapted from the existing Overview, Foundations, and Mission pages and is intended to replace them all 13:11:38 and I'd like to put them in the new Docs System rather than on the wiki 13:11:48 can we add ARM too to "how to get Fedora?" 13:11:48 actually, put "it" not put "them" 13:11:58 * bexelbie reads 13:12:35 I don't necessarily need feedback immediately but over the course of the next week 13:12:58 on first glance, looks good 13:13:04 robyduck: is there not a link to arm at https://alt.fedoraproject.org/? 13:13:10 I didn't want that to be an overwhelming list 13:13:31 I can add arm though 13:13:48 no, there isn't except in the footer 13:13:57 bexelbie: when's the realistic date for New Docs Utopia? 13:14:02 just ARM is missing 13:14:12 no earlier than 1 August 13:14:26 depends on how bad flock gets me this week ;) 13:14:48 okay, so I guess one decision is whether to update the wiki pages *now*, or just wait for that 13:14:50 opinions? 13:14:53 mattdm: I like this, and am for not adding Open Source to the mission statement. This page resumes it all fine (open source is parte of the 4Fs) 13:14:54 robyduck: arm added :) 13:15:13 s/parte/part 13:15:24 robyduck: cool. Yeah, I think the context makes it much more clear 13:15:50 I think that if we could wait until 8/1 we are not harming anymore than it already is 13:15:59 and it gives us a chance to publish a single url not a url followed by a correction 13:16:18 that's my thinking too 13:16:26 I may also ask Design for help in making it pretty 13:16:32 i think i missed a memo.. what new docs system? 13:16:37 is there a prototype docs site they could use to know their options? 13:17:00 mattdm, not really - but we can work on it 13:17:04 please hold the design ticket for now 13:17:14 langdon, we are moving from Docbook to AsciiDoc 13:17:24 okay. will hold 13:17:48 bexelbie, ohh.. yes.. ok.. i thought matt meant like "new fedora council website" not like "fedora docs" 13:17:58 bexelbie: want to present on the new system in the Subproject report on August 9th? 13:18:16 langdon: I want to put the Fedora Council stuff in the new Docs site instead of the wiki 13:18:20 as an example to others :) 13:19:10 mattdm, tentatively :) 13:19:25 bexelbie: writing that in in sharpie 13:19:33 okay, next topic! 13:19:35 +1 to wiki->elsewhere migration for non-whiteboard content 13:19:41 erasable sharpies rock 13:19:49 oh it's "erasable" 13:19:56 #topic Trademark stuff 13:20:02 there are two thigns here. First, 13:20:14 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/99 13:20:45 which is a report of some hosting providers providing modified fedora without using the remix brand 13:21:17 spot reached out to both of them and we're on a path for the best possible solution in both cases -- both of them running *unmodded* fedora 13:21:33 that's in progress and we'll update more when things are finalized 13:21:43 the second one is 13:21:45 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/127 13:22:00 a request to make stickers 13:22:02 in apac 13:22:21 \o/ stickers! 13:22:25 and robyduck and i already +1'd. It'd be nice to have another +1, or if someone STRENUOUSLY OBJECTS to do so sooner rather than later 13:22:26 * robyduck already gave his +1 to that 13:22:29 I know langdon hates stickers. 13:22:33 * langdon impressed with his contributions today 13:23:18 anything else on this? 13:23:28 one second 13:24:16 ok 13:24:17 thanks 13:24:18 voted +1 13:24:23 okay then :) 13:24:32 #topic The Third-Party software proposal 13:24:38 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/121 13:24:57 from last week from cschalle: 13:25:03 "Ok, document is now split and all references to Docker has been replaced by Moby, only exception being a paranthesis saying that Moby images are also known as Docker images. Hopefully document should be ready for approval now." 13:25:31 * bexelbie is behind on my reading 13:25:41 I know it's a busy time, but let's try to get this to final approval (or, if it comes to that, rejection) by next week 13:25:50 anyone need more time? 13:26:15 o/ 13:26:20 ohh 13:26:26 sorry.. i can do it by next week 13:26:31 i thought you meant "now" 13:26:45 langdon next week is fine. There's stuff going on now, I know 13:27:00 not the least of which: very tiny puppies crying in their pens 13:27:13 +1 next week 13:27:27 mattdm, did you get a second one? or are you talking about YOUR puppy? 13:27:27 ok for next week, I'mm still not really happy with that, but I need to read the updated doc 13:27:30 of course if the proposal makes a puppy cry ... just sayin' 13:27:47 #info council consensus process starting now with deadline 13:28:33 robyduck: I want you to be at least not unhappy :) 13:28:42 :) 13:29:13 robyduck: so let's make sure everything you have with the new "split" draft christian made is in acceptable shape 13:29:29 langdon: not MY pupppy. GUEN's puppy. 13:29:36 lies 13:29:52 ftr it is a ridiculously adorable fluffy little thing. 13:29:58 easily mistaken for a stuffed toy 13:29:58 ok, I'll read it carefully and try to write down my concerns if there still are some 13:30:08 robyduck: thanks! 13:30:17 #topic Open Floor 13:30:21 anything else today? 13:30:30 langdon, how's boltron launch looking? 13:31:11 mattdm, sorry.. watching that channel.. compose just started 13:31:24 had some issues with signing or something yesterday 13:31:42 so.. x-ing fingers, 60m til compose.. then testing 13:31:44 langdon: okay. so hopefully later today. I think either today or tomorrow is good. If we miss thursday, let's hold til next week to avoid boring friday news. 13:32:02 mattdm, right.. thats why I REALLY want the compose today 13:32:07 this morning 13:32:17 +1 13:32:36 anyone anything else? 13:32:49 i need a nap 13:33:04 langdon: see if you can convince this puppy to take one with you 13:33:08 ha 13:33:35 jreznik: are we doing the Prioritized Bugs meeting in half an hour? 13:33:44 did we ever decide anything about the diversity representative? /me doesn't recall... 13:34:02 mattdm: I can make it but I don't have a clue what's expected there :) so if you could lead 13:34:04 robyduck: no, that's still in the air. we do need to move on that. 13:34:28 ok 13:34:30 jreznik: sure. I'll take this next 25 minutes to attend to puppy problems and see you back here. :) 13:34:58 #endmeeting