14:59:41 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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14:59:46 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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14:59:53 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:00:15 * tflink is here
15:00:23 <adamw> morning folks, who's around?
15:00:48 * sumantro is here
15:00:57 <sumantro> adamw,  morning :)
15:01:02 * tenk is here
15:01:09 <sumantro> tenk o/
15:01:20 <tenk> sumantro: o/
15:01:24 * vbird is here (new in the area :)
15:01:37 <tenk> welcome
15:01:48 <adamw> huh, and my system is running in slow motion. well, that's unfortunate
15:02:34 * kparal is here
15:02:46 <adamw> how's everyone doing?
15:03:13 <sumantro> adamw, can't complain :D how about you?
15:03:28 <sumantro> vbird, welcome :)
15:03:48 <vbird> adamw: all good (on the beach with family, poor connection ;) and you?
15:03:55 <vbird> sumantro: hi, thanks! :)
15:04:02 <adamw> pretty good thanks sumantro
15:04:18 <tenk> still in France so i can participate at the meeting
15:05:27 <adamw> aaalllrighty, let's get this (worst) party (you ever went to) started
15:06:00 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:06:20 <adamw> it seems we have no action items from last time
15:06:26 <adamw> anyone remember anything we need to follow up on?
15:08:35 <adamw> i guessn ot!
15:08:43 <adamw> #info nothing specific to follow up on
15:08:46 <adamw> #topic Fedora 27 status
15:09:17 <adamw> #info mass rebuild has now happened
15:09:22 <adamw> #info GNOME is now up to 3.25.90
15:09:37 <adamw> #info Rawhide has started composing again
15:10:33 <sumantro> when are we expecting to have a working iso for workstation live? the 20170811 is having bugs which is stopping from installing on BIOS VM
15:10:41 <adamw> #info seem to be major SELinux issues in current composes
15:10:54 <adamw> #info bootloader install often fails on current composes
15:11:41 <adamw> those are kinda my notes on where we are; it seems like many vital components fail to start due to selinux denials in current rawhide (e.g. the journal) and install often but not always fails on bootloader installation, so i'm planning to look into both of those today
15:11:46 <adamw> sumantro, what bugs had you noticed?
15:12:07 <adamw> #info branch point is *tomorrow*
15:12:49 <adamw> #info Beta freeze is 2017-09-05
15:13:18 <sumantro> the boot loader fails , the anaconda in /tmp ERR bootloader.write failed
15:13:33 <adamw> right, that's the one openqa often sees
15:13:37 <adamw> (but sometimes it works)
15:14:00 <adamw> i'll try and figure that one out today, anyone know if a bug's been filed yet?
15:14:12 <sumantro> never worked for me , tried twice on baremetal BIOS and Virt-manager
15:14:56 <sumantro> adamw, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1479825
15:15:32 <adamw> cool, thanks
15:15:38 <sumantro> Anaconda team has ack-ed and I am yet to send them the logs
15:15:57 <sumantro> I tested the 811 today and it gives the same error
15:16:04 <sumantro> adamw sure :)
15:16:11 <adamw> so, we're not in quite as bad shape as we were last week, but i'm still a bit worried about the current quality given the beta dates
15:16:15 <adamw> anyone have any other notes?
15:17:52 <sumantro> the trivial one , the progress bar doesnt match actual installation , doesn't violate any specific criteria but I filed one
15:18:07 <sumantro> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1480836
15:18:37 <adamw> oh, yeah, that one...i thought that had already been filed earlier
15:18:54 <adamw> probably at the bottom of the list of things to worry about right now :P
15:19:07 <sumantro> yes :P
15:20:00 <sumantro> also, should we be giving the design team a heads up for the wallpapers cz last time it was bit of a time crunch?
15:20:20 <adamw> that's an excellent point
15:20:33 <adamw> are you OK with taking that action?
15:20:38 <sumantro> yes sure :)
15:21:44 <tenk> how is it the list of testday we have to do regarding the Change in Fedora 27?
15:22:03 <adamw> #action sumantro to check in with design team and make sure wallpapers will be available in time for Beta and Final
15:22:12 <adamw> tenk: we've got a test day topic coming up\
15:22:27 <adamw> in fact, it's next!
15:22:36 <adamw> so, anything more on f27 in general first?
15:24:02 <adamw> i guess not
15:24:06 <adamw> #topic Test Day status
15:24:17 <sumantro> LxQT test day happening on 2017-08-17. All the changes adamw mentioned are addressed. Filed two more issues for Host and Platform and Modularity , awaiting responses from maintainers. Tenk helped a lot. Thanks tenk :)
15:24:42 <tenk> you'r welcome, should have done more
15:24:54 <adamw> #info LxQT test day will happen this Thursday, 2017-08-17: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2017-08-17_LXQt_0.11.1 . Please help promote it
15:25:23 <adamw> sumantro: can you send an announcement mail soon?
15:25:49 <sumantro> I have sent. you've approved adamw
15:25:55 <sumantro> :)
15:26:02 <tenk> Aug 8
15:26:06 <adamw> ah, sorry, i was looking for it in the archives but didn't see it...
15:26:15 <adamw> ah, that was a while ago. a reminder would be a good idea i think
15:26:15 <tenk> i will try to post a French post in the community blog
15:26:32 <adamw> sounds good
15:26:37 <sumantro> tenk awesome :)
15:26:50 <sumantro> adamw, yes sure , I will draft one :)
15:27:13 <sumantro> and send it on 15th or 16th
15:27:19 <adamw> #action sumantro to send out reminder about LxQT test day
15:28:25 <adamw> so, have you thought about what we could actually do on a Host and Platform test day?
15:28:50 <adamw> Modularity test day can obviously focus on module interaction, as long as we run it when the necessary bits are available...
15:29:38 <sumantro> no that's on my this week's agenda adamw
15:29:57 <adamw> okay, cool.
15:30:17 <sumantro> Modularity is sorted . I am just awaiting response for date :)
15:30:42 <adamw> so it looks like for now we have just those 3 proposals
15:31:16 <adamw> looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/27/ChangeSet , i can see several other obvious candidates
15:31:27 <adamw> did you make a list yet?
15:31:34 <sumantro> yes , I did.
15:32:26 <adamw> cool, what's on it? :)
15:32:54 <sumantro> Enable TRIM pass down to encrypted disks,Fedora 27 Boost 1.64 upgrade,32 bit UEFI Support,RPM 4.14,Graphical Applications as Flatpaks,Arbitrary Branching,Switch libcurl back to OpenSSL
15:33:12 <sumantro> for now !
15:33:36 * sumantro sees more changes everytime he reloads this page
15:34:07 <adamw> hehe
15:34:10 <sumantro> No More Alphas is also one , but do we run a test day for it explicitly or cover it will good rel-val ?
15:34:38 <adamw> there's nothing we can really do with a Test Day for it, no.
15:34:56 <adamw> GNOME 3.26 isn't on the Change list, oddly, but we could probably use a GNOME test day.
15:35:17 <adamw> i'm not sure that the Boost version bump is worth a Test Day
15:35:23 <adamw> other than that, list looks pretty good
15:35:29 <adamw> anyone else have thoughts?
15:35:53 <sumantro> sure, GNOME test day will be awesome :D
15:38:26 <tenk> that s already a lot of testday
15:38:43 <adamw> quite a few, yep
15:38:49 <adamw> just didn't want to miss anything
15:39:00 <sumantro> tenk hehe :)
15:39:08 <tenk> + generic test day no? like international testday
15:39:40 <adamw> #info Modularity and Host and Platform test days are also proposed, sumantro has a list of other Changes to run test days for
15:39:55 <adamw> tenk: yeah, indeed - are those ones proposed yet, do you know?
15:40:06 <sumantro> tenk yes that will happen , couple of cloud test days *might* also happen
15:40:51 <adamw> sumantro: are you already in contact with the i18n folks for those test days, or should i add an action item?
15:40:56 <sumantro> adamw, the i18n team didn't file an issue for us yet neither did the cloud. I would love to see and schedule one
15:41:10 <sumantro> adamw I will take it up! :)
15:41:16 <adamw> alright
15:41:26 <tenk> now i know how i can do i can help again
15:41:47 <adamw> #action sumantro to contact i18n team to make sure their regular test days are being planned, and atomic/cloud team
15:41:49 <tenk> just have one week without laptop
15:41:56 <sumantro> tenk I will loop you in :D
15:42:11 <tenk> sumantro: yes please
15:42:40 <adamw> sumantro: of course, feel free to re-delegate anything to tenk or someone else if we're giving you too much to do :)
15:42:57 <adamw> ok, is that everything for test days?
15:43:16 <sumantro> adamw yes that everything from my side at least
15:44:24 <adamw> alrighty
15:44:27 <adamw> #topic Onboarding status
15:44:49 <adamw> just another platform for sumantro it seems ;)
15:45:08 <adamw> i lost track a bit of where we're at with onboarding, did the meeting run again? or is it scheduled?
15:45:15 <sumantro> ran a small onboarding session in Bangalore IN , where about 12 people came and tested packages F25 and F26. They will help us with the test days and also help us with more testing coverage for the compose
15:45:17 <sumantro> https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/fedoraqasession
15:45:46 <sumantro> adamw, we ran the meeting and it was good. we will run it every 3 months as decided. :)
15:45:57 <adamw> cool!
15:46:19 <adamw> #info the onboarding meeting ran again recently, with 12 people, see etherpad at https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/fedoraqasession
15:46:36 <adamw> sumantro: how would you say onboarding is going in general? are folks sticking around and continuing to help out?
15:47:46 <sumantro> mostly , I see the contributors sticking around. Like I was so trilled to see people turning up on GNOME test day which was 1 day before the F26 release :) so, yes it's growing and its growing good.
15:48:30 <adamw> awesome news, thanks for that
15:48:44 <sumantro> adamw, np :)
15:48:48 <adamw> any other notes on onboarding?
15:49:43 <adamw> alrighty then...that's all i had for teagn
15:49:46 <adamw> wow
15:49:51 <adamw> the agenda
15:49:54 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:49:59 <adamw> any other business?
15:50:26 <sumantro> well, for h/w specific testing, I am looking to onboard new member who can help us with testing sas etc
15:50:35 <adamw> oh, blocker notes: we should probably do a blocker review meeting next week. i will copy all alpha blocker bugs to the beta blocker tracker this week
15:50:36 <sumantro> thats all from my side.
15:50:42 <adamw> sounds great
15:51:12 <sumantro> :)
15:51:36 <vbird> well, I'm new in the neighborhood and I'll try to have a closer look at what I can do to help but if you have suggestions, I'm interested! :)
15:52:04 <sumantro> vbird, did you send an introduction email to test?
15:52:06 <adamw> vbird: well, the lxqt test day would be a good one to start on, i guess
15:52:50 <adamw> and we have a recent rawhide compose for validation testing, see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/5MJWWAIZ2AIKROXIRJ5I465XAMPN6WFL/ (though as noted earlier, recent composes seem quite broken)
15:52:59 <vbird> sumantro: not yet, I started with infrastructure, which is closer to my daily work, but I'll do it too
15:53:24 <adamw> sumantro is our superstar for helping new folks atm, i'm sure he can help you out more specifically if that would help :)
15:53:40 <vbird> adamw: I'll have a look, thanks a lot!
15:54:04 <sumantro> vbird, feel free to ping me anytime :)
15:54:06 <vbird> great, thank you both! :)
15:54:51 <adamw> sounds like that's about everything
15:54:57 <adamw> thanks a lot for coming, everyone
15:56:00 <adamw> oh, i guess i have a couple notes on openqa: we're hoping to have powerpc tests running in openqa soon (that's the good news). however staging is badly broken atm due to upstream bugs in recent git (which i updated it to). hoping to get that fixed this week.
15:56:16 <adamw> this isn't affecting production as i didn't update that.
15:56:36 <sumantro> adamw, yaaayy! :)
15:57:13 <adamw> IBM have been very helpful, they contributed some hardware to run the tests, and the modifications to the openQA stuff to run them. so, yay for IBM (this has been the commercial break)
15:58:15 <adamw> thanks again, everyone!
15:58:50 <adamw> #endmeeting