01:01:58 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:01:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Aug 25 01:01:58 2017 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:01:58 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:01:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:02:08 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 01:02:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:02:18 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:02:41 * mikedep333 is here 01:02:54 <award3535> #chair mikedep333 01:02:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 mikedep333 01:03:01 <award3535> evening mikedep333 01:03:06 <mikedep333> evening 01:03:52 <award3535> will wait to see if anyone else shows up tonight 01:04:03 <mikedep333> Yeah 01:04:30 <award3535> your event on track, seems like we answered your questions i hope 01:05:47 <mikedep333> Yes, it is. 01:05:58 <mikedep333> And I just saw a pleasant surprise in this room's previous meeting. 01:06:11 <mikedep333> <marc84> I'll be in Fosscon 2017 in Philadelphia this Saturday August 26, 2017 01:06:16 <award3535> what was that I just came up a few minutes ago 01:06:35 <mikedep333> Mark said that at 2:24 PM eastern time. 01:06:59 <award3535> cool 01:07:19 <mikedep333> I have to say, the event box was packed very neatly. 01:07:38 <award3535> kk4ewt does keep a neat box 01:07:54 <mikedep333> I am running into some issues with the Raspberry Pi Lapdock. I think Fedora has trouble with the fact that the display is less than 1080p after I apply the updates to Fedora 26. 01:08:18 <award3535> there was some emails floating around about an event in MD, hope more show up 01:08:24 <mikedep333> I will look into changing the res in the bootloader, and into just not updating it from stock F26. 01:08:26 <nb> hi 01:08:27 <mikedep333> I saw that. 01:08:33 <award3535> #chair nb 01:08:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: award3535 mikedep333 nb 01:08:44 <award3535> congratulations nb 01:08:45 <nb> bexelbie, ping i think you were asking about the meeting 01:09:03 <nb> Southern_Gentlem, ping although you probably aren't here since kk4ewt isn't here 01:10:18 <mikedep333> BTW, the FOSSCON organizer wanted a blurb to put on their website. 01:10:30 <mikedep333> I combined the text from getfedora.org with the text from the wiki. 01:10:32 <nb> masta_, quaid ping ambassadors meeting 01:10:33 <mikedep333> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/MoAjTMaFZrBZJcQFkXVy-Q 01:11:51 <mikedep333> they put it up 01:12:08 <mikedep333> and they accidentally listed us as a Megabyte ($500) sponsor rather than a Kilobyte ($250) 01:12:10 <mikedep333> https://fosscon.us/Sponsors 01:12:20 <award3535> mikedep333, works for me 01:12:22 <mikedep333> and they put us up top 01:12:24 <mikedep333> yeah 01:12:53 <award3535> no worries as long as its their mistake and not ours 01:12:57 <mikedep333> yeah 01:13:35 <nb> so, I participated on the Red Hat LISA17 planning call today 01:13:58 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:14:02 <nb> They have offered me a conference pass again if i can come. I wrote it up today and sent it up to my manager's manager 01:14:03 <award3535> go on nb 01:14:09 <nb> to ask for money from work 01:14:17 <nb> I need to start an event page on the wiki 01:14:27 <nb> If work says no, I may ask for fedora $ 01:14:34 <nb> award3535, what quarter is Oct/Nov? 01:14:44 <award3535> Q3 01:14:54 <mikedep333> Oh, about the OLPC XO-1 in the event box. 01:14:56 <nb> award3535, are we already out of q3 budget? 01:14:58 <mikedep333> We update it, right? 01:15:01 <award3535> Dec/Jan/Feb is Q4 01:15:33 <nb> award3535, sounds like there will be no sponsorship cost from Fedora 01:15:42 <nb> so it will only be travel for whatever ambassadors come 01:15:52 <nb> I need to get ahold of the west coast people (LISA17 is in SFO 01:15:58 <award3535> nb we will have to put a ticket in with council asking for more money 01:16:09 <nb> oh 01:16:10 <nb> ok 01:16:25 <nb> my budget will largely depend on what my boss says 01:16:30 <nb> and who else wants to come 01:16:50 <nb> RHT has a custom Gold sponsorship which gives us a double booth like last year 01:16:53 <award3535> there is money we have to ask and we must make a strong case with the measurable and effective statements 01:17:09 <nb> there will be plenty of people around 01:17:17 <award3535> nb we usually share with RH at these events as well 01:17:23 <nb> award3535, we are going to. 01:17:24 <award3535> where is it this year 01:17:28 <nb> award3535, SFO 01:17:40 <award3535> SFO? 01:17:43 <nb> San Francisco, CA 01:17:54 <award3535> thats a haul 01:18:12 <nb> yeah 01:18:14 <award3535> we have juggler, PG, vwbusguy out there 01:18:17 <award3535> too 01:18:21 <nb> I am hoping work will pay for me again 01:19:03 * Southern_Gentlem is lurking if need (yes i am still at work) 01:19:05 <award3535> I am going to list the tickets for tonight just so we can get some visibility not enough for votes 01:19:25 <award3535> #chair Southern_Gentlem 01:19:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: Southern_Gentlem award3535 mikedep333 nb 01:20:02 <award3535> nb, did you ever get the issue with UPS taken care of, I got a bill but havent checked it yet 01:20:13 <nb> award3535, i didn't see a way to request refund 01:20:19 * nb needs to look at it again 01:20:27 * Southern_Gentlem wonders where bex is, he was asking if we were to meet tonight 01:20:44 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:20:56 <award3535> https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issues 01:21:25 <award3535> .famnaticket 183 01:21:26 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #183: Software Freedom Day (Frederick, MD KeyLUG) - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/183 01:22:09 <award3535> Comments I have there is no event link information, no requests on what the specific event requirements 01:22:09 <mikedep333> Sigh, everytime I boot the event box laptop, the brightness is set to low (but the slider is set to high.) 01:22:17 <mikedep333> I have to work around it by changing the brightness. 01:22:43 <nb> award3535, i don't see why that ticket needs a vote 01:22:56 <nb> we have always sent swag upon request if the request is reasonable 01:22:59 <nb> unless something has changed 01:23:05 <nb> sounds like they aren't requesting much 01:23:50 <award3535> no vote on this one, but there is really no information. Remember for any money that is spent even shipping we need to have the council requirements listed 01:24:25 <award3535> where is the ticket requesting media shipped to.... 01:25:08 <nb> WTF? so now we can't even send swag to people anymore without a ticket? 01:25:13 <nb> without a vote i mean 01:25:26 <award3535> I did not say that 01:25:43 <nb> i mean, sometimes i'll get a ticket where someone wants a small amount of swag to give out locally, even if there is not a specific event 01:25:47 <nb> and we have filled those in the past 01:26:29 <award3535> what i said was they need to follow the requirements, also remember I have to make an entry into the budget ledger, and if there is nothing supporting it, they may not pay 01:27:16 <award3535> if it involves money, it requires an entry, that includes shipping 01:27:34 <award3535> and it falls on our budget 01:27:49 <nb> oh, so they won't allow it to just be "Shipping for FAmNA: $xx.xx" anymore like they used to? 01:29:21 <award3535> sure, but we are out of our allotted budget, so I will need to go and request money for xxxx, and that requires documentation and justification 01:29:41 <nb> OH OK 01:29:46 <nb> oops, sorry for caps 01:30:43 <award3535> so this shipping that has occured for approved events is listed and does not raise questions 01:31:29 <award3535> because its referenced in the file that I add to the ledger and gets reviewed by the council 01:32:19 <award3535> As treasurer I enter the data when it comes up 01:33:15 <nb> true 01:34:00 <award3535> but the point I was making, if they want this and want us to ship it, there needs to be another ticket with shipping request and where and what the event entails and details when they need it. If you look at the ticket, there is none of that 01:34:08 <nb> oh ok 01:34:51 <award3535> .famnaticket 184 01:34:52 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #184: HackMIT 2017 sponsorship - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/184 01:36:23 <mikedep333> jwf: ping 01:36:23 <zodbot> mikedep333: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 01:36:58 <award3535> There were some discussions going around on this ticket, and will require other method of payment, jwf will not be able to make it tonight, but I think this one is on track with bex's help 01:37:04 <mikedep333> jwf: We're discussing HACKMIT 2017 right now. 01:37:16 <mikedep333> great 01:37:52 <award3535> .famnaticket 181 01:37:53 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #181: FOSSCON 2017 - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/181 01:38:05 <award3535> .famnaticket 181 01:38:06 <zodbot> award3535: Issue #181: FOSSCON 2017 - tasks - Pagure - https://pagure.io/ambassadors-na/tasks/issue/181 01:38:37 <award3535> mikedep333 any updates you need to have on this, I believe you are good to go 01:38:45 <mikedep333> I am good to go. 01:39:05 <award3535> ok moving on 01:39:07 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:39:32 <award3535> I would like to congratulate nb for his nomination to FAmSCO 01:39:36 <nb> award3535, i am wondering how often bex updates the website? It says we only spent $500 on SELF 01:40:04 <award3535> nb he and I will be going through that tomorrow 01:40:09 <mikedep333> I am going to Flock. Who else is? 01:40:09 <nb> oh ok 01:40:13 <nb> mikedep333, i am 01:40:19 <nb> Oh, I have something important 01:40:31 <nb> #topic Proposed separation of treasurer and card holder roles 01:40:43 <nb> so, bex and some others are wanting card holder and treasurer to have to be separate 01:40:46 <nb> I don't see their reasoning 01:40:59 <nb> they think it might be a conflict of interest to have the same person do both 01:41:02 * nb does not think so 01:41:07 * nb wonders what NA thinks? 01:41:11 <award3535> nb that was because of the problems in APAC 01:41:46 <nb> yes 01:42:03 <award3535> I see problems here in NA separating the two functions 01:42:14 <award3535> more chances for loss of information 01:42:43 <award3535> plus there are only 4 Fedora card holders, the rest are RH employees that have corp cards 01:43:17 <nb> I agree 01:43:21 <award3535> we have a limit because we are not employees 01:43:39 <award3535> and I have been fairly quick with reimbursements 01:43:51 <nb> award3535, i think you are doing great 01:43:51 <award3535> less the problems with AP paying my card 01:43:56 <nb> that's why I don't want them to change it 01:44:07 <award3535> seems to be cleared up now 01:44:59 <nb> I think NA should vote to officially say we do not want the roles to be required to be separate 01:45:04 <nb> i think if regions want it separate, fine 01:45:14 <nb> but the push is to have the Council say that they have to be separate 01:46:16 <award3535> if that is the case I will retain my card and give up the role of treasurer, because there would be no interruption of credit card services 01:46:57 <award3535> since the card has been hard enough to get, imagine giving a new one to someone else 01:47:08 <nb> I am not sure where it is, if it is still a famsco ticket, or if they made a council ticket yet 01:47:19 <nb> but I think the more comments and feedback we get, the more chance that they might not require it 01:47:39 <nb> i spoke up at the famsco meeting 01:48:01 <award3535> Ok lets vote and I will create a ticket that in FAmNA asking more input for those that are not here 01:48:27 <award3535> +1 for me to retain both the card and Treasurer for FAmNA 01:48:34 <nb> +1 01:48:46 <nb> mikedep333, Southern_Gentlem ping vote plz 01:49:13 <mikedep333> +1 01:49:49 <award3535> creating ticket now 01:50:40 <nb> award3535, FWIW at least in the past, employees have a limit too, but it was much higher 01:50:52 <nb> yours is 3k, right? at least i think john's used to be 01:51:07 <nb> ruth used to run out of limit even on her employee card 01:51:15 <nb> but that's not really relevant to this discussion i guess 01:51:19 <award3535> yes you are correct, the others are much much higher 01:52:45 <nb> i think that's all i have 01:52:51 <nb> mikedep333, are you planning on doing LISA again this year? 01:53:28 <mikedep333> I'd love to go to San Francisco, but it would be cheaper for West Coast ambassadors to go. 01:53:37 <nb> yeah 01:54:30 * nb hopes i will get approved at work, so i don't have to get fedora to pay for my travel, since idk if i could, since there are closer people 01:54:31 <award3535> nb there are several out there 01:54:50 <mikedep333> Work will probably cover part of my time at the conference. 01:54:56 <mikedep333> but not my travel costs 01:55:20 <mikedep333> I even got 10 hours of paid time for Flock. 01:55:39 * nb will get as many hours as i can justify counting as "work" for Flock 01:55:48 <nb> i usually get some overtime when i go to conferences 01:56:57 * nb almost didn't ask work about Flock, and was going to take vacation, but then I asked, and told them that Flock was paying for me to go to Flock, and so they were like sure! you can go 01:57:46 <mikedep333> :) 01:59:18 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time... 01:59:51 <award3535> I will chair a meeting next week, but may not have any attendees due to Flock 02:00:01 <mikedep333> Thanks everyone. 02:00:09 <award3535> we are back to regular weekly meetings 02:00:30 * nb wonders if we should cancel next week? 02:01:07 <nb> I can try to be here, unless i am busy 02:01:28 <award3535> I will cancel it if there are no attendees for next week, will put it into the email tonight asking for replies 02:01:54 <nb> ok 02:02:05 <mikedep333> I might be busy at Flock also. 02:03:24 <nb> I will try to make it next week 02:03:26 <award3535> no worries, but i will need to ask the whole group 02:03:38 <bexelbie> nb, jenkins has been down so I haven't been able to update the site the easy way (FYI) - I'll do a manual update as I have time 02:03:47 <nb> bexelbie, oh ok 02:03:56 <nb> bexelbie, was there something you were wanting for our meeting tonight? 02:04:54 <award3535> evening bexelbie 02:05:01 <bexelbie> nb, nope, I was going to join but wound up stuck in traffic 02:05:03 <bexelbie> :( 02:05:16 <bexelbie> I am just rarely awake during the NA meeting so wanted to be available for questions 02:05:45 <award3535> bexelbie, what time tomorrow would you like to get together on irc for the ledger stuff 02:05:49 * bexelbie is sad to see Jenkins is still hosed 02:05:52 <mikedep333> bexelbie: Thank you for doing the work to make FOSSCON possible. 02:06:00 <bexelbie> award3535, tomorrow won't work - needs to be during the week of labor day 02:06:15 <bexelbie> mikedep333, I paid a bill - no hard work :) but you're very welcome 02:06:17 <award3535> no worries let me know 02:06:36 <mikedep333> Thanks everyone. good night. 02:07:32 <award3535> nb, I will update the other ticket requesting swag and see if we can get some more information. 02:08:12 <award3535> thank you all for coming, I will update everyone on next weeks meeting with a thumbs up or down 02:08:16 <award3535> #endmeeting