13:34:20 #startmeeting Diversity 13:34:20 Meeting started Wed Sep 6 13:34:20 2017 UTC. The chair is bee2502. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:34:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:34:20 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 13:34:27 .fas jonatoni 13:34:29 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 13:34:41 #topic Introduction 13:34:54 .fas paulmellors 13:34:55 MooDoo: paulmellors '' 13:34:57 .fas bee2502 13:34:58 bee2502: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' 13:35:17 #chair jonatoni 13:35:17 Current chairs: bee2502 jonatoni 13:36:11 o/ jonatoni MooDoo 13:36:16 lets wait a bit for others 13:37:46 hi 13:38:04 o/ chhavi 13:38:12 bee2502: am in the right place? :p 13:38:20 okay good to go. 13:38:21 yes 13:38:24 Hi! 13:38:26 .hello2 13:38:27 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 13:38:28 No zodbot? 13:38:28 chhavi yes, we are doing introductions.. 13:38:36 .hello chhavi 13:38:38 chhavi_: chhavi 'chhavi shrivastava' 13:38:46 .hello x3mboy 13:38:46 zodbot is around x3mboy.. 13:38:48 x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' 13:39:00 Oh! It's not responding to hello2 13:39:02 Ok 13:39:58 okay, not sure if jwf is joining.. 13:39:58 let's move on and others can join as they arrive 13:40:47 .hello2 13:40:49 Rhea: Sorry, but you don't exist 13:40:54 #topic Announcements 13:40:54 hmm.. zodbot seems a bit slow. 13:40:54 WHAT 13:41:01 * Rhea kills zodbot 13:41:31 .hello rhea 13:41:32 Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' 13:41:38 I do exist. 13:42:08 Like rhea, not Rhea. It's case sensitive 13:42:11 :S 13:42:14 #info We have one more Fedora Womens Day happening in Cusco along with others planned around the globe. 13:42:28 Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!! 13:42:32 Cool info! 13:42:55 #Fedora Womens Day now happening in Cusco, Lima, Tirana, Prishtina, Brno, Ahmedabad, Pune, Bangalore 13:43:08 #info Fedora Womens Day now happening in Cusco, Lima, Tirana, Prishtina, Brno, Ahmedabad, Pune, Bangalore 13:43:15 sorry.. 13:43:22 let me know if I missed any 13:43:46 I'm going to need the links to all this events, to finish the Magazine article 13:43:52 o/ Rhea 13:44:13 x3mboy yes, this week for sure + sticker discussion too 13:44:26 :D 13:44:29 Good! 13:44:44 #info Fedora Diversity team had a productive session at FLOCK 13:45:08 jonatoni chhavi hopefully you can put more light on discussions at FLOCK 13:45:16 s/put/shed 13:45:24 x3mboy: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/fedora-womens-day-brno-tickets-37563402147 - in progress of posting invites to linkedin, fedoraCZ and redhatCZ twitters and facebooks... 13:45:31 Dunno what links do you want o.o 13:45:43 .hello jwf 13:45:45 jwf: Sorry, but you don't exist 13:45:54 .hello jflory7 13:45:55 jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 13:46:11 Rhea x3mboy fedora wiki links hopefully, I think. 13:46:28 aww you don't exist either :< 13:46:38 we don't know who jwf is ... :P 13:46:41 * Rhea waves in front of jwf's face 13:46:48 :D 13:47:05 jwf we were just talking about what happened at FLOCK 13:47:06 some unimportant person probably 13:47:26 * jwf is reading up in scrollback to get caught up really fast 13:47:29 Rhea, wiki links or links with the information for the specific events. The idea is that people can find the information about the event by the link from the magazine article 13:47:38 Bee first we can talk about stickers for FWD 13:47:53 after finishing all the discussion about FWD we can start with Flock 13:48:00 I am yet to hear a single word from flock 8) 13:48:10 jonatoni but that's tickets section.. and I am so excited about FLOCK 13:48:22 I can do a quick Flock recap from the session 13:48:48 Ahh, unless we want to cover the remaining FWD tickets first if they're time-sensitive 13:49:02 I can give a recap in 5 mins 13:49:09 yes, let's go to FWD first and then spend rest on FLOCK? 13:49:13 and the rest.. 13:49:25 +1! 13:49:32 +1 13:49:48 #topic Fedora Womens Day Planning 13:50:17 #info All budget requests for FWD have been approved 13:50:52 #info Fedora Women stickers need to be sent to organizers 13:51:00 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/36 13:51:25 #info Fedora Womens Day now happening in Cusco, Lima, Tirana, Prishtina, Brno, Ahmedabad, Pune, Bangalore 13:51:45 Okay, for the stickers.. I think we have an estimated cost.. 13:52:11 which will increase a bit because there will be an event at Cusco too 13:52:12 hello 13:52:20 * jwf waves to Amita 13:52:25 o/ Amita 13:52:34 hello jwf MooDoo 13:52:39 bee2502: Is there a ticket where the stickers were being tracked / discussed for all events? 13:52:54 jwf, yes 13:53:07 jwf the link is above 13:53:10 https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/36 13:53:13 Oh, it would pay to read 13:53:15 Right, thanks 13:53:31 The final cost is estimated around 531 USD which includes printing + shipping 13:53:49 without the Cusco event.. 13:54:45 we need to include even Cusco event 13:54:55 For Cusco 50 stickers were requested 13:55:57 with Cusco,it's 64 USD extra 13:56:15 so 595 USD total 13:56:33 pricing is from stickermule.com for round stickers 3" * 3" 13:56:37 As context to the discussion about stickers, from past experiences ordering in NA, a large order is usually close to $1000 for us, but it lasts us 1-2 years 13:56:44 * $1000 USD 13:57:11 And that was for maybe ~7000 stickers 13:57:32 This is for 1050 stickers.. 13:57:43 Oh, hmm. 13:57:44 btw I see here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Women_Day_2017#Local_Events 10 events, but we will produce stickers only for 8 events? 13:57:54 Could be different because of size / colors in this case 13:58:51 jonatoni sorry, I missed Managua.. but it is included in pricing.. so 595 USD for 9 events 13:59:28 jwf This is the least I could do shape wise. We can decrease the size but it might spoil our design 13:59:29 what about FWD in Puno? do we know the orgenizers? 14:00:18 jonatoni She has not sent a mail on diversity mailing list yet 14:00:22 bee2502: I think we should keep the size / design. If Brian would order these via StickerMule, better to play it safe since we can't get a sample before the order, at least not one that the entire team could see and still have them produced in time for the event. 14:01:33 jonatoni Also, the organizer is requesting budget for Puno, but I see no ticket.. 14:01:52 One thing I'm wondering about though is how many stickers each event will need… 100 stickers per event seems like a lot, especially if some of the events will have half the number of attendees 14:02:14 +1 14:02:25 I don't see clear info for the number of attendees 14:02:28 The concern I have is that we order more stickers than we need and then they get lost with the organizer or don't make it to the region's box 14:02:45 I'd like to have better attendance estimates to decide the total quantity for the order 14:03:11 I'd rather have an exhausted supply than have too many that end up getting unused or stashed away and forgotten 14:03:41 The idea is they can use the stickers for future events 14:04:07 and not pay again for shipping 14:04:36 jonatoni, agreed, 50 stickers like cusco asked is a too low number. 14:05:16 We can still ask for an estimate for organizers and send a few surplus over that number. 14:05:28 We do not want to be way off in our estimations. 14:05:45 amsharma requested the 200 stickers for India and 50 have been requested for Cusco event. 14:06:26 if jonatoni and Rhea can tell an estimated number of stickers.. we can have a rough idea. 14:06:45 mattdm, anyway to get the mirrorlist page somewhere temp so people stop blowing their minds 14:07:07 s/estimate for/estimate from 14:07:20 bee2502 I requested 100 stickers I organize a lot of events at Open Labs and I cannot request stickers every time, because of shipping costs 14:07:29 because* 14:07:33 The room can hold up to 100 people, we have extra Red Hat budget for dinner. I wouldn't go below the already agreed on 100 stickers... 14:07:37 jonatoni, I see your point 14:07:59 Rhea, so we need that info 14:08:05 we are not denying 14:08:10 we need reasoning 14:08:23 so that we don't end up printing way too extra 14:08:28 ok, so that were the numbers I used for original pricing.. 14:08:45 for India.. I had used 100 per event so 300, but I can recalculate with 200 14:09:29 It would be 570 USD for all events (not Puno because the organizer has not yet contacted the team) 14:09:58 jonatoni, Is FAmSCo working with the idea of centralize the stickers for the whole world???? 14:10:05 I think this is an idea that is running 14:10:12 we can produce only this stickers for example until February that ends the fiscal year 14:10:13 One thing worth considering is that these stickers are also for a one-time event too, and we have an annual budget. Next year, we would be ordering more too. 14:10:20 x3mboy not yet 14:10:42 for Lima and Managua, we can ask the organizers.. but the point is even if we reduce the number of stickers, the costs wont decrease in same proportion. 14:10:57 jonatoni, Ok, we can talk about this later. It's an idea from latam to work this way. 14:11:06 It will always be more than 500 USD.. 14:11:20 x3mboy great, we can talk later about this 14:12:05 Amite i had given you everything in the budget ticket, or the stickers ticket. 14:12:05 #link https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/FY18/d-i.html 14:12:11 The costs also include 200 extra stickers to be shipped to Brno for future use. That is 132 USD. We can skip that. 14:12:32 Pretty sure that I mentioned that we will have ~50 participants, that's my goal, I can fit up to 100 people into the room though if the interest is great. 14:12:50 I'm also busy so please excuse me if i'm missing context in this chat, I'm not reading it. 14:13:34 jwf Out of these, 6500 USD is for Outreachy intern. 14:13:46 Right, which leaves us with about ~$2400 14:13:55 But I don't think all FWD budgets are on the budget sheet either 14:14:01 bee2502 what size did you check? 14:14:20 jonatoni 3" * 3" 14:14:28 round/circle stickers 14:14:44 jwf all the approved budget tickets are here https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/26#comment-463933 14:15:18 bee2502 I think 2" x 2" it's enough 14:15:25 the same that we had for OSCAL 14:15:30 If you need to cut budgets, don't send extra's to brno 14:15:34 3" x 3" it's too big 14:15:48 3" is huge 14:15:54 bee2502 check my comment here please https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/36#comment-457673 14:16:31 jonatoni: Does the number in that ticket include a sticker production cost? 14:16:46 jwf nope 14:16:55 because we don't know the amount yet 14:17:02 jonatoni Okay, can recalculate with 2" * 2". 14:17:16 I have already done it bee2502 14:17:33 jwf stickermule pricing include shipping+ production 14:17:49 jwf do you remember the cost per sticker for the ones famna did last year 14:18:08 jonatoni It wont work that way. You have to recalculate for each event separately and not 1000 stickers together. 14:18:23 yep right :/ 14:18:29 After all FWD and Outreachy costs, this leaves us with approximately $1789.30 for the rest of the fiscal year. Approximately $600/$700 would leave us with ~$1000 USD for the rest of the year. I would be +1 to vote on approving the sticker production based on the current estimates as I think this is where a majority of the budget for the year will go, towards FWD. I don't see any other major spending areas before the end of the FY. 14:18:33 I forgot shipping costs 14:18:50 Southern_Gentlem: It was $999 for approximately 7k Fedora stickers from UnixStickers. 14:18:57 jonatoni stickermule has shipping costs.. 14:19:10 I know 14:19:54 We don't need to think too much about rest of the year right now 14:20:08 okay, so we want to go with 2" * 2" for sure right? 14:20:12 While budget is important and we want to make sure our spending is aligned to project goals, I think the amount planned for the stickers is sufficient, although I'm still sort of +0 on quantities, but I think we need to focus on getting an order and getting them distributed. 14:20:13 I know that we need to use certain sticker printers that ship to certain places, e.g. brno prefers stickermule as it is budget-wise easy, if i understand what Brian told me 14:20:13 yes 14:20:16 if there will be something on fire, we can always ask for more help 14:20:41 guys, my event is on 15 14:20:47 and no extra stickers to be shipped to brno.. 14:20:48 if we want to do it 14:20:53 then do it now 14:20:55 can anybody login to pagure? 14:21:00 yes 14:21:34 No, I can't login either… "discoveryfailure" 14:21:44 same here 14:21:45 :( 14:22:04 yeah i was getting that too 14:22:04 Amita: Right, that's also my concern about the timeline 14:22:05 ok, I am in now 14:22:38 So I think the current estimates are good and it's not going to leave us in a difficult place 14:22:39 meeting time is going in to the stickers decision only 14:22:51 I am +1 for yeah do it 14:22:56 I think it would be best for us to either +1 or -1 what we have now 14:23:25 yes 14:23:26 +! 14:23:31 +1 from me 14:23:33 +1 14:23:43 Let's get a firm proposal first 14:23:57 bee2502: Could you type a #proposed about the sticker quantity and price for us to vote on? 14:24:09 +1 14:24:29 she needs to calculate it again 14:24:49 are these +1's for 2" * 2" ? 14:24:55 and no extra to brno? 14:25:14 or 3" * 3" and extra stickers to brno as proposed in ticket? 14:25:28 stickers +1? 14:25:30 +1 14:25:43 It's 424 USD.. for 2" * 2" and no extra to brno 14:26:04 If there's no concern about the design being compromised, then sure 14:26:04 what does no extra in Brno mean? 14:26:06 bee2502: If I get 100 I'll have *some* left that can be thrown into fedora booth for devconf or something... 14:26:13 but I would like to send some extra stickers to brno so that we can distribute them over the year to other places and not print them again.. 14:26:47 jonatoni.. we were going to send some extra stickers to brno to distribute them over the year to other places and not print them again.. 14:26:58 +1 to do some extra 14:28:06 jwf.. jonatoni thinks 2" * 2" wpnt compromise sticker design.. I have not seen OSCAL stickers but I guess she knows better than me. 14:28:23 jwf you have seen OSCAL stickers 14:28:36 Sorry people, I need to run 14:28:44 o/ l8r x3mboy 14:28:53 i will catch up the logs for the FLOCK recap 14:28:57 MooDoo, o/ 14:29:10 If we add 100 extra stickers to Brno, it would still be around 490 USD.. 14:29:24 If it's the size of the circular OSCAL ones, seems small for the logo we had designed, but I'm really ready to just vote on this one way or another 14:29:32 I don't see this sticker order making or breaking our budget for the year 14:29:47 The cost difference is marginal between the two 14:30:02 Everything related to fedoraproject.org is failing because there is a failure with a/the DNS 14:30:09 DNSsec or something like that 14:30:20 I'm about to have to leave soon so I won't have much more time 14:30:22 Please take that into account for everything 14:30:35 x3mboy: Ack, thanks! That would explain a bit then 14:30:51 can we approve 600 USD for stickers for all events + some extra? 14:30:59 +1 14:31:03 +1 14:31:22 #proposed 600 USD for stickers for all events + some extra? 14:31:22 bee2502: Type out a #proposed with the amount + quantity of stickers? 14:31:22 bee2502, you catch my vote just in time _D 14:31:24 +1 14:31:32 vote now guys 14:31:37 +1 14:31:40 Ahh, great – do you know the quantity of stickers too? 14:31:47 jwf.. about 1000 14:31:57 +1 from me on ~1000 for $600 USD 14:32:22 bee2502 Amita you need to vote 14:32:24 +1 14:32:48 we have 4 votes (+1) so it's approved 14:33:09 #approved 600 USD for ~ 1000 stickers for all FWD events + some extra 14:33:21 okay.. 14:33:30 anything else related to FWD? 14:33:57 + 14:34:09 1 14:34:14 sorry 14:34:27 I'd like to open up the "really short twitter message" 14:34:29 #action bee2502 will collect addresses for shipping and mail to bex, along with order details 14:34:46 I really can't come up with anything good for 100~ish characters for twitter 14:35:13 (bee2502 I think that bex knows where to find me haha...) 14:35:14 Rhea - We are celebrating women in Fedora and Open source! Come join us 14:35:23 Hum. 14:35:33 That is short o.o 14:35:45 Ideally, they'd read more on your Eventbrite page. :) 14:35:52 yap 14:35:59 I don't think we need to overthink it, short and sweet is good 14:36:24 * MooDoo assumes a link is also going on it? 14:38:07 I believe so, to an Eventbrite page in Rhea's case. 14:38:19 Do we want to do a quick Flock recap before closing? 14:38:20 * MooDoo nods 14:38:48 Rhea.. after that they will have link.. and can read there 14:38:48 okay.. x3mboy will publish a magazine post on FWD soon 14:38:49 #action x3mboy work on Fedora Magazine post on FWD 14:38:50 anything related to FWD planning guys? 14:38:58 chhavi will work on posters for spreading FWD word online.. so contact her for posters for your event 14:39:02 if there is nothing related to FWD, we can move on to FLOCK.. 14:40:11 #topic FLOCK 14:40:24 #topic FLOCK updates for Diversity 14:40:43 jwf jonatoni chhavi amsharma can update here 14:40:48 I can do a 5 min summary 14:40:54 Amita ^ sorry.. 14:41:32 can you chair me 14:41:37 I mean add to chair 14:41:56 Rhea, I need your desk number :P 14:42:02 The Flock session was mostly focused on three things, to improve our event organization process, improve our on-boarding, and then at the very end, touch on the survey. 14:42:05 #chair Amita jwf 14:42:05 Current chairs: Amita bee2502 jonatoni jwf 14:42:18 Rhea too 14:42:22 For event organizing, the beginning was looking at the types of events we attend and try to have an outreach for 14:42:25 desk number? 14:42:27 for? 14:42:29 #chair Rhea 14:42:30 Current chairs: Amita Rhea bee2502 jonatoni jwf 14:42:33 Are you sending stickers? 14:42:38 Amita, was a joke about where to ship Rhea's stickers 14:42:55 ah ok 14:43:01 At the beginning, we spent some time talking / reviewing the upcoming plans for FWDs 14:43:09 I actually don't have a desk number. It's an empty desk, I am not here. O_O 14:43:13 Also had some discussion about other events beyond FWD that we could try to coordinate with 14:43:29 There was a lot of discussion about the International Day of Disabilities Awareness in December 14:43:33 Amita: I am sitting next to bexelbie, hence the joke.. :P 14:43:57 how bee2502 knows about it 14:44:21 Some people in the room thought it wasn't a great idea for us to focus on something as broad and general as "disabilities awareness" because it has multiple meanings and there are people who might have a disability but might not identify with "disabilities awareness" 14:44:27 It's also a very broad target audience too 14:44:39 For example, deaf / hard-of-hearing people was an example that came up during the session 14:45:48 jwf It's a valid point. So what do we focus on then? 14:45:51 So instead, we figured that this event might not be a good one for us to focus on / coordinate with because it's very broad and it would be difficult for us to find a point to focus on and keep. There was the idea that we might end up creating events /for/ people, not with people. That is, the people organizing the event wouldn't actually have experience / understanding about the group 14:46:02 But instead, we had another awesome idea come up 14:46:16 Someone mentioned about a lot of the local meet-up communities and programs that exist around the worldl 14:46:31 Women Who Code, PyLadies, Black Girls Code, various programming language-specific communities, etc. 14:46:50 Often, the people organizing these meet-up communities are looking for people to give sessions or help deliver content to their community 14:46:59 Amita didn't know about it till now. 14:47:30 So in our session, the idea came up… why reinvent the wheel? We could potentially reach out to other local meet-up communities that we have in our immediate area and try to work with them on delivering Fedora-specific content, instead of us having to create a custom event again during the year 14:47:43 This would ideally save us travel budget and also other costs from organizing the event ourselves 14:47:55 It also directly connects us to the right target audience too 14:48:10 We don't have to go and do the work on gathering the people up ourselves when there's already existing communities doing the same thing 14:48:43 So one way we could try to reach out and have engagement for the rest of the year is by seeking local meet-up communities and trying to deliver Fedora content there, whether it's technical or non-technical, about Fedora itself or about contributing, etc. 14:49:07 I think that's about all we covered for the events side of the discussion, which was mostly the first half of the session 14:49:20 After, we spent time talking about on-boarding and defining the steps of being a team member 14:49:44 There's a lot of things that have changed since the team first started, and some of our on-boarding steps are confusing, like what does "Get bootstrapped" really mean? 14:49:51 We identified the need to revisit our on-boarding guidelines 14:50:01 But more of the talk was on the ways we on-board people 14:50:23 The thing that I think came up the most was about affinity groups, like the Fedora Women community 14:50:37 Sorry to interrupt guys 14:50:38 Other examples possibly being language-specific communities too 14:50:40 jwf I like the idea of partnering with these communities. Would we also reach out to communities in regions where we don't have much presence yet? 14:50:44 I have to rush now 14:50:48 it is 8:20 PM 14:50:55 still in office, my gal is calling me up 14:51:02 that is why I avoid late meetings 14:51:04 Amita: Okay, no problem. See you soon! I think you know the rest of what I have to say :-) 14:51:06 I will read logs 14:51:24 jwf, I love the way how descriptive you are :) 14:51:32 you recorded every bit of it in your bit 14:51:36 jwf++ 14:51:44 catch up later 14:51:51 * Amita rushing back to home now 14:51:54 bee2502: It depends, ideally we could try to focus on the areas immediately near us, but depends on if we have communities like this in our area. It's something that probably needs to be explored more. 14:52:11 PyLadies poked me about FWD and their involvement, they never got back to me when I suggested that they talk to the people organizing Python in Fedora... So.. meh And the other organization works in magical ways. I don't think that there is any nice generic girls-code type of group around me. I don't like pyladies cause it's python specific and i as game programmer have a strong opinion about the use 14:52:14 of this language and who/when should learn it... 14:52:39 Or linux-girls type of thing 14:52:49 Rhea Czechitas? 14:52:59 I hope I spelled it correctly.. 14:53:08 Yeah they are kind of weird under the hood, from what I've seen. 14:53:13 Rhea: Well, since you're not a Python programmer, a Python community would probably not be a good fit for you to go and talk about Fedora and Python. :) The idea is catering to existing interest areas in our team and matching it to local communities 14:53:46 jwf: i'm trying to say that I can't even find any local communities 14:53:50 I think we can discuss this more deeply later on, since we're late for time and I have a few minutes before I have to leave, I'll finish the Flock recap really quick 14:54:06 jwf Can you continue with the affinity groups thing.. 14:54:12 Yeah— 14:54:22 there is like django girls and pyladies... all too specific 14:55:28 To clarify, affinity groups are like small, interest-based groups that are more like mini communities inside of Fedora. The Fedora Women idea is the one that we've started discussion on and have some planning down for, but it could extend to language-specific groups too. 14:56:08 The reason why these were interesting is because it's easier to create "beginner"-type of tasks around maintaining and starting these affinity groups 14:56:18 A lot of the discussion in the session was about how to get someone started with the Diversity Team 14:56:29 Since so many of our tickets are about really big things that are easily intimidating for a newcomer 14:57:04 what would a beginner task be in such a group? jwf 14:57:23 So the affinity groups provide a way for us to connect to someone's pre-existing interest or self-identification, and then if they have an interest in doing more than just to participate in the community, they can help volunteer some time to work on smaller tasks for the affinity group 14:58:15 The last time we thought about revitalizing Fedora Women, there was a lot of discussion about channel moderation. 14:58:43 bee2502: Some of the ideas I had in mind were in the style of Arch Linux Women, like hosting a mentorship / project hour, helping write content to promote the group, and find ways to engage with people outside of only a place to talk. 14:58:54 It's something I'd like to ping meskarune about later 14:59:28 bee2502: Right, I think it would be better for us to avoid getting lost in discussions about that and rely on the Fedora CoC + pre-existing guidelines in place to handle anything that might come up 14:59:45 Even if it's an affinity group, Fedora CoC still applies 15:00:04 Nicely summed up @jwf . How do you even remember all of it? :p 15:00:10 jwf++ 15:00:15 My other concern is will how will we engage with the group? How do we sustain the momentum? jwf 15:00:36 chhavi_: I ask myself the same question a lot too! 15:01:04 bee2502: I think that's something we wanted to discuss further, but I think it's doable 15:01:26 Would require existing interest from someone in Diversity Team to help maintain 15:01:37 Okay, I guess we will work on this post FWD? 15:02:04 i.e. we wouldn't start one just because we wanted to, it would be because we have someone who is familiar with the affinity group's purpose and could spend some time leading / working on it 15:02:19 bee2502: Yeah, I think that's about right 15:02:41 At the end, we also briefly hit on the survey with marinaz and bexelbie. There's hopefully going to be some unblocking on this all soon 15:03:01 But I don't have much more to say on that right now 15:03:05 jwf How do we onboard existing Fedora contributors who are interested but not in any affinity groups? 15:03:26 We have a lot of FAS approvals pending :/ 15:04:21 bee2502: Hmm. We didn't go as deep into that, but there was one interesting point 15:05:00 I can't remember who mentioned it, but trying to get people to be more specific in their introductions was one thing we thought was helpful, to understand their interest in the team and if they're doing work already in D&I elsewhere 15:05:39 So then if we ever have a situation come up where we need someone's insight or help, we can go, "Oh, I can't help with this but I know there is someone on our list who knows a lot more about this" 15:05:56 I think that was marinaz that brought that up 15:06:05 So we mail everyone with pending FAS request asking that? 15:06:21 It better preps us to connect interested contributors to ways we can help get them started 15:06:26 Ohhh, for the pending FAS requests 15:06:43 They should follow joining process 15:06:59 I started an email rejection template for situations like that, where they haven't sent an intro or done anything in the group 15:07:05 if there is one - email introduction, participate, get approved fas 15:07:06 Similar to CommOps + Marketing 15:07:13 Rhea joining process is what is what we are discussing 15:07:34 jwf.. I can open up a ticket for this.. can you post your email template? 15:07:43