#fedora-meeting log

06:34:08 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:34:09 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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06:34:09 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
06:34:09 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2017-09-13
06:34:33 <paragan> Good to see all are available today except pravins
06:34:56 <paragan> #chair rluzynski mfabian epico suanand tagoh_ fujiwarat juhp
06:34:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan rluzynski suanand tagoh_
06:35:23 <juhp> hi
06:35:27 <suanand> hi..
06:35:50 <paragan> Hi all
06:36:43 <paragan> Two weeks back we had a Flock conference. It was a very good conference, mix of talks and Do sessions. There was a G11N track of 3 hours were we discussed I18N past and future development, transtats project idevelopment and current development for L10N and Zanata group.
06:37:44 <paragan> Some of the talks slides are available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2017/resources
06:38:09 <paragan> The recorded videos will soon be available on Fedora Youtube channel.
06:39:06 <paragan> let's move now to today's agenda
06:39:22 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:39:40 <paragan> As per current Fedora 27 release schedule the last milestone was
06:39:49 <paragan> 2017-09-05 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
06:40:11 <paragan> and the Upcoming schedule is as
06:40:34 <paragan> 2017-09-19 Beta Release (Target date)
06:40:35 <paragan> 2017-09-26 Beta Release (Rain date)
06:40:35 <paragan> 2017-10-10 Final Freeze (*)
06:41:04 <paragan> I think every release of Fedora will now have target and rain date and release is supposed to happen in between these 2 dates.
06:42:13 <paragan> Anyone have any experiences of using Fedora 27?
06:42:40 <mfabian> I installed it in qemu a few times.
06:42:42 <paragan> I am using it since last 2 weeks but there are some bugs that are affecting my day to day work
06:43:08 <paragan> the very basic Fedora usage is working fine
06:43:41 <paragan> #info the current beta buglist is qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/27/beta/buglist
06:44:09 <paragan> one of the bug I am experiencing issues is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490072
06:44:28 <paragan> if I try to use VM then gnome-shell crashes
06:44:34 <juhp> I added the i18n slides to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock_2017/resources, thanks
06:45:54 <paragan> another is for those who are building docker images and installing glibc -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1483553
06:47:09 <paragan> One good thing is that we (i18n) have no blocker/FE issues reported against any of our i18n components.
06:47:47 <paragan> juhp, thanks
06:47:49 <juhp> I hope not due to lack of testing :)
06:48:07 <paragan> we have a test day coming next week :)
06:48:14 <juhp> The bugs look pretty serious though
06:48:18 <juhp> yes
06:49:30 <paragan> Let's move to tickets now
06:50:01 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issue
06:50:12 <paragan> #info #72: Proposal - I18n FAD in 2017
06:50:12 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/72
06:50:19 * juhp sees Fedora-Workstation-ostree-x86_64-27-20170912.n.0.iso
06:50:53 <juhp> Pravin mentioned to me that we need to update the proposal a little
06:51:19 <paragan> Pravin asked to discuss if we can comeup with some dates
06:51:39 <paragan> pravins has updated proposal budget to council
06:52:12 <juhp> okay
06:52:41 * paragan looking for council ticket link
06:53:06 <paragan> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/136#comment-465043
06:53:29 <rluzynski> 5-7 Nov seems to be just a copy/paste from the previous proposal which was 5-7 Oct. I guess these dates are not strict at all.
06:54:11 <juhp> rluzynski: probably yes
06:54:30 <paragan> Can we have some dates for November month?
06:54:42 <paragan> or if needed for December month even
06:57:32 <rluzynski> Are we limited by some budget rules, e.g., the FAD must be planned at least 2 months ahead so 13 Nov is the earliest possible date?
06:58:11 <paragan> rluzynski, I am not sure about that, need to check with pravins
06:59:17 <rluzynski> BTW, something near 13 Nov sounds good to me. But any date is OK, I think.
06:59:59 <paragan> maybe then 20-22 Nov
07:00:17 <rluzynski> Maybe we should start from deciding which days of week should these be. Rather weekend or rather workdays, or mixed? Mixed is comfortable for me.
07:00:34 <rluzynski> 20-22 Nov as well.
07:01:17 <paragan> Good, let me discuss about these dates with pravins later on
07:01:18 <juhp> Week of 20 Nov sounds okay to me
07:01:22 <rluzynski> It would start 20 Nov in the morning, right? So we'd need 19 or 18 Nov for travel.
07:01:29 <juhp> Right
07:01:32 <paragan> rluzynski, yes
07:03:04 <rluzynski> I think I need a visa and probably I'm not the only one. I hope 2 months is OK to get a visa.
07:03:16 <juhp> It should be I think
07:03:21 <paragan> I think so
07:03:31 <juhp> At least for me here it only takes about one week
07:04:27 <juhp> There is also visa on arrival now iirc?  It may depend on your nationality
07:04:44 <juhp> Maybe I am confused
07:05:29 <rluzynski> Rules are changing often, AFAIK. Better check with the local embassy or consulate.
07:05:32 <juhp> I think I did some kind of e-visa last time anyway
07:05:38 <juhp> sure
07:06:32 <paragan> Let's hope we will get budget approval soon
07:06:33 <rluzynski> This sounds off topic so to be more on topic: if necessary I hope we can get some invitation letter from organizers?
07:06:44 <paragan> yes
07:07:34 <mfabian> Apparently one can apply for the visa online.
07:07:39 <rluzynski> And things like plane tickets and hotel must be at least planned, if this is required to get a visa.
07:08:12 <juhp> mfabian: I think so
07:08:42 <juhp> But I still had to go to the consulate as I remember
07:08:46 <mfabian> https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/tvoa.html Poland and Germany are listed there.
07:08:50 <rluzynski> As far as I have read online visa allows to enter the Indian border on 16 selected airports only. BOM is on the list, PNQ is not.
07:09:32 <rluzynski> OK, those issues will be solved.
07:09:59 <rluzynski> So, around 20 Nov but we must ask pravins.
07:11:36 <juhp> mfabian: yes last time that is what I went with
07:11:54 <rluzynski> Or maybe are we ready to decide here if it will be 20-22 Nov or 23-25 or anything different?
07:12:10 <paragan> ah wait we should have weekend dates as well
07:12:20 <juhp> (ignore above comment about consulate that was for regular visa via online form)
07:12:21 <mfabian> juhp, rluzynski: Are you sure about the airport limitation? The online visa page doesn’t say anything about airports.
07:12:34 <paragan> I see 24-26 Nov as weekend dates
07:12:58 <juhp> mfabian: see https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/tvoa.html
07:13:39 <juhp> rluzynski: but Pune is listed  :)
07:14:29 <rluzynski> Sorry, you are right, mfabian and juhp. 24 airports and Pune included.
07:14:36 <juhp> I think 20-22 is good though - that will allow staying on for a couple days extra in the office
07:14:43 <mfabian> I still don’t see the airports ...
07:14:48 <juhp> rluzynski: no problem - I just happened to see it now
07:15:01 <juhp> mfabian: point 9
07:16:13 <juhp> I am also okay with 19-21 say if that is more comfortable for rluzynski and others
07:16:37 <paragan> mfabian, click on left side tab for " Instructions for e-Visa"
07:16:39 <juhp> but it takes time to get to Pune :)
07:16:46 <mfabian> paragan: Thank you!
07:17:02 <juhp> ah yes sorry
07:17:12 <rluzynski> I think that every date is good for me.
07:17:17 <juhp> okay
07:17:20 <paragan> good :)
07:17:38 <juhp> maybe 20-22 is good then
07:17:41 <paragan> we need to check with local facility for availability of room as well
07:17:45 <juhp> okay
07:17:58 <juhp> at least we could try for that as tentative date
07:18:22 <paragan> yes
07:20:57 <paragan> if there are no more questions then let's move to other tickets
07:21:10 <rluzynski> OK
07:21:28 <paragan> #info #81: Fedora 27 i18n test day
07:21:28 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/81
07:22:06 <paragan> we have i18n test day coming next Tuesday, 19th September
07:22:56 <paragan> Hope to see again maximum participation by various language peoples
07:23:30 <paragan> Test day page => https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2017-09-19_I18N_Test_Day
07:23:30 <paragan> Metadata App page => https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2017-09-19_I18N_TestdayApp_Metadata
07:23:31 <paragan> Results page => http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/26
07:25:12 <juhp> How are we doing on testcases?
07:25:36 <juhp> It is probably premature to test flatpak and emoji stuff fully?
07:25:49 <paragan> I think we have no new test cases for this release yet
07:25:58 <juhp> Do we need any?
07:26:12 <juhp> It would be good to have testcases for emoji input
07:26:38 <paragan> It depends on individual developers if they want there development tested by community
07:27:08 <tagoh_> new release of fontconfig containing emoji support is in testing btw...
07:27:14 <paragan> s/there/their/
07:27:21 <juhp> tagoh_: great
07:27:49 <juhp> fujiwarat: could you add some testcase for emoji input with ibus?
07:28:03 <juhp> mfabian: perhaps you want to too for typing-booster?
07:28:16 <mfabian> Yes, I should add some emoji input test cases for typing booster!
07:28:51 <mfabian> fujiwarat: Should Control+Shift+e open the emoji dialog of ibus in Gnome? It does it for me in Fedora 26 but not in Fedora 27.
07:29:08 <juhp> I could not get it to work at Flock
07:29:34 <mfabian> juhp: The ibus-typing-booster emoji input or the ibus emoji input?
07:29:39 <juhp> ibus
07:30:49 <fujiwarat> ok
07:31:34 <paragan> next ticket
07:31:42 <fujiwarat> mfabian: ibus does not enable the shortcut key in gnome.
07:31:44 <juhp> fujiwarat: thanks!
07:31:54 <juhp> fujiwarat: ah
07:32:04 <mfabian> fujiwarat: Why not?
07:32:35 <fujiwarat> mfabian: because gnome uses its own panel indicator instead of ibus one.
07:33:12 <fujiwarat> while gtk emoji feature is integrated in f26 too now.
07:35:17 <mfabian> fujiwarat: The gtk emoji feature is also on Control+Shift+e, right?
07:35:32 <juhp> fujiwarat: so Ctrl-Shift-e only works in non-GNOME, I am still not clear what happens in GNOME if it is enabled?
07:35:43 <juhp> currently
07:36:03 <juhp> mfabian: I believe so - though I have not had it working yet
07:36:21 <mfabian> juhp: If I understand it right, gtk has its own emoji input feature now, and one cannot use the ibus emoji input when using Gnome.
07:36:38 <fujiwarat> juhp: Need to run `ibus emoji` command or register the command to gnome-control-center as a shortcut.
07:36:38 <juhp> doesn't that depend on the IME?
07:36:43 <juhp> rather immodule
07:36:44 <mfabian> In f27, Control+Shift+e does nothing for me in Gnome.
07:36:53 <juhp> I see
07:37:24 <juhp> immodule comment was to mfabian
07:37:39 <mfabian> Running "ibus emoji" from the command line works of course.
07:37:42 <juhp> fujiwarat: I see
07:37:51 <juhp> aha
07:40:00 <mfabian> “In f27, Control+Shift+e does nothing for me in Gnome.” <- that’s not quite true, I tried again, and it does “something”, although I don’t understand it.
07:40:15 <juhp> 'e' appears?
07:40:22 <juhp> me neither
07:40:35 <mfabian> No, nothing appears and everything I type is lost  until I type the next return.
07:40:44 <juhp> maybe there is a blog somewhere?
07:41:00 <juhp> i see - i thought I saw any 'e' or something when I last tried on f26
07:41:08 <fujiwarat> gtk's emoji feature is available in gtk-im-context-simple with c-s-e and gtkentry.
07:41:16 <juhp> okay
07:41:18 <fujiwarat> mfabian: it's a bug in ibus but not gtk3.
07:41:21 <juhp> fujiwarat: it works for you?
07:41:44 <mfabian> juhp: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2017/08/18/post-guadec-distractions/
07:42:13 <fujiwarat> juhp: Yes, works fine with me but annotations are small.
07:43:28 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786884
07:44:03 <juhp> mfabian: thanks
07:44:25 <mfabian> I still don’t understand how I can use it though.
07:44:39 <mfabian> fujiwarat: How can I  use gtk-im-context-simple in Gnome?
07:44:49 <fujiwarat> env GTK_IM_MODULE=gtk-im-context-simple gedit
07:45:56 <fujiwarat> or if you don't register any input sources with gnome-control-center, the xkb sources are used by gtk.
07:46:37 <mfabian> fujiwarat: With env GTK_IM_MODULE=gtk-im-context-simple gedit, Control+Shift+e displays an underlined “e”. Then I don’t know how to proceed.
07:46:57 <fujiwarat> yeah, the annotations are very small.
07:47:11 <fujiwarat> just type annotations and Enter key.
07:47:50 <mfabian> I type “Control+Shift+e cat Enter” and get nothing.
07:47:58 <fujiwarat> :)
07:48:15 <juhp> small = few :)
07:48:39 <juhp> mfabian: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkIMContextSimple.html#GtkIMContextSimple.description
07:48:43 <juhp> apparently
07:48:49 <fujiwarat> For GUI, E.g. RIght click on Gtk open dialog
07:49:16 <juhp> ah yes that is there!
07:49:28 <juhp> 🤣
07:49:36 <juhp> nice!
07:49:51 <mfabian> fujiwarat: OK, "Control+Shift+e kiss Enter" works and inserts a 💋
07:49:59 <juhp> aha
07:50:19 <juhp> I think the popup is much more useful
07:50:19 <fujiwarat> As I commented on the bug report, I'd like to suggest to use emoji-test.txt
07:50:28 <mfabian> But one has no idea what one can type. There is no completion, no popup, nothing.
07:50:41 <fujiwarat> for more annotations.
07:50:43 <juhp> fujiwarat: thanks for bugzilla link - I kind of agree that C-S-u and C-S-e not that useful
07:50:45 <mfabian> So it is surprising that "kiss" works but "cat" does nothing.
07:50:55 <juhp> mfabian: yes don't bother :)
07:51:09 <juhp> but I agree
07:51:20 <mfabian> fujiwarat: Which bug report?
07:51:36 <fujiwarat> mfabian; https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786884
07:51:57 <juhp> so the popup is in-process i guess?
07:52:34 <fujiwarat> Yes, I think we still can input some ideas for the implementation.
07:54:14 <juhp> hmm but only gtkentry has the selector?
07:54:25 <juhp> okay
07:55:28 <fujiwarat> gtkentry, gtktext. Yes, I guess it's not available in firefox custom entry so I'm thinking connecting ibus and gtk is useful.
07:56:26 <juhp> I see yes
07:56:40 <juhp> currently I can only see it here in Polari entry box...
07:56:53 <paragan> Its almost 90 minutes now to this meeting
07:57:00 <juhp> not even gtk-demo
07:57:07 <juhp> ah yes
07:57:20 <paragan> if you people want to continue please do so
07:57:38 <juhp> paragan: please move ahead or close :)
07:57:48 <paragan> I will prefer to close
07:57:58 <juhp> we can continue discussion in #fedora-g11n etc
07:58:03 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
07:58:14 <paragan> if nothing more to discuss let's close the meeting
07:58:50 <rluzynski> I'm OK to close.
07:59:55 <paragan> Thanks all for coming to this meeting
08:00:16 <paragan> #endmeeting