13:59:59 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2017-11-08)
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14:00:00 <mattdm> #meetingname council
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14:00:02 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie stefw
14:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck stefw
14:00:04 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
14:00:18 <jkurik> .hello2
14:00:19 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
14:00:40 <mattdm> good morning jkurik!
14:00:45 <mattdm> or afternoon -- sorry!
14:01:16 <jkurik> hi mattdm
14:01:30 <mattdm> anyone else around? :)
14:02:18 * mattdm twiddles thumbs
14:02:41 <mattdm> actually, forget thumb-twiddling. /me makes coffee...
14:02:50 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:02:51 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:03:15 <langdon> .hello2
14:03:16 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
14:03:23 <langdon> last meeting ran a little long
14:03:35 <mattdm> no problem.
14:03:58 <mattdm> I would like to announce that last night I had a dream about converting huge amounts of the Fedora Wiki to Asciidoc for the new docs site
14:04:11 <mattdm> Unfortunately, for some reason, all of the pages were about various superheros
14:04:26 <mattdm> Wonder Woman, Batman, Captain America, etc.
14:04:39 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
14:04:40 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
14:04:58 <langdon> mattdm: what is unfortunate about that?
14:05:06 <mattdm> langdon: less useful for the project
14:05:24 <mattdm> although maybe not so important since I didn't actually do any real work anyway, what with the dreaming and all :)
14:05:31 <langdon> that is definitely a matter of opinion.. have you seen some of the wiki pages? like how to build an rpm?
14:05:38 <jwb> i am here now, sorry
14:05:51 <mattdm> ok, cool, looks like we've got everyone
14:05:58 <mattdm> #topic Today's Open Floor Agenda
14:06:26 * langdon needs to switch to mobile for a few minutes so typing might be laggy
14:06:29 <mattdm> This is open-floor agenda construction. Propose things and I'll order them and we'll talk about them
14:06:55 <mattdm> Here's some things *I'd* like to get caught up on...
14:07:11 <mattdm> * Fedora Server and Modularity -- what's the current state of beta and release and timeline?
14:07:21 <mattdm> * Elections for Council -- do we need to do anything
14:07:50 <mattdm> * The new Docs stuff -- how can we get people doing stuff, and what more do we need to make the whole system work
14:08:10 <langdon> mattdm: so.. for ease of my typing can we not do modularity first?
14:08:40 <mattdm> * I know the diversity team council change is blocked on my slowness (sorry!) but maybe also discuss diversity and mindshare and council?
14:08:41 <bexelbie> #137, #142, #117 relate to some of thoes
14:08:52 <mattdm> anything else?
14:09:02 <robyduck> that's quite a lot already :)
14:09:15 <mattdm> robyduck: yeah, but maybe my stuff isn't the collective most important :)
14:09:30 <mattdm> langdon: and, yes, we'll delay for you. We can make bexelbie go first :)
14:10:04 <jwb> i had one
14:10:18 <jwb> we had funds left over in the budget iirc.  did we sort out what we were going to do with those?
14:10:40 <mattdm> oh, yes. that's a big deal. I think the answer is no :)
14:10:47 <robyduck> Council Party?
14:10:50 <robyduck> :D
14:10:52 <mattdm> :)
14:10:56 <mattdm> Okay, so agenda:
14:11:05 <mattdm> 1. New Docs Stuff State of the Union
14:11:26 <mattdm> 2. Budget: What are we doing with it? What about next FY?
14:11:34 <mattdm> 3. Elections update
14:11:38 <mattdm> 4. Modular Server
14:11:49 <mattdm> 5. Diversity and Mindshare (time permitting)
14:12:03 <mattdm> and we're 12 minutes in already so let's go :)
14:12:09 <mattdm> #topic New Docs Stuff State of the Union
14:12:22 <mattdm> bexelbie, can you give some quick #infos on this?
14:12:33 <bexelbie> #info docs are building today, manually
14:12:47 <bexelbie> #info we are able to pull in docs that are not traditional docs, such as the council docs
14:13:06 <bexelbie> #info those docs retain their existing process and management - we just need to them in AsciiBinder and AsciiDoc - we can help
14:13:18 <mattdm> #info see council docs live at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/council/charter.html
14:13:43 <bexelbie> #info I've been working with CentOS CI on getting automatic building and publishing - it is blocked on fedmsg trigger issues - either jenkins plugin needs updating or the new method of triggering needs to be finished - neither is done
14:13:58 <bexelbie> #info my ci goal remains to get a button to push than can later be triggered
14:13:59 <langdon> Fyi there is a bug in pagure that if you commit via the web no fedmsg is triggered.. So your rebuilds may not run..
14:14:19 <bexelbie> #info we need search - that needs people or time for people to get free
14:14:19 <mattdm> "asciibinder" is a tool which takes asciidocs in a directory and builds a simple static website from them
14:14:29 <bexelbie> langdon, is that bug filed?
14:14:33 <mattdm> #help we need someone to work on search for the new docs
14:15:00 <jwb> bexelbie: is the intention with this site to replace the wiki?
14:15:01 <bexelbie> #info we need to get translations working - JB is working on the translation side - I'll do tooling as we get ready to actually publish
14:15:14 <bexelbie> This site is not designed to replace the "whiteboard" of the wiki
14:15:32 <bexelbie> However, this site is a more durable information locatoin for things that are not whiteboard material anymore
14:15:46 <jwb> bexelbie: so things like the packaging guidelines would be targets?
14:15:54 <bexelbie> that would be ideal
14:15:56 <mattdm> jwb: The goal is to replace the wiki for first, all user documentation and second all contributor documentation (particularly, documentation where contributors are the "users" of the project)
14:16:03 <langdon> Bexelbie yes
14:16:04 <bexelbie> to that end, I am looking at extending asciibinder to allow non-asciidoc formats
14:16:19 <mattdm> I think a git-based workflow would fit the packaging guidelines nicely
14:16:20 <jwb> hm
14:16:22 <bexelbie> that way those docs can live in the best markup for them, not the one forced by a tool
14:16:48 <jwb> i like it.  i wonder how many teams that would be able to make use of this are aware of its existence though?
14:16:59 <bexelbie> make use of - lots / all
14:17:02 <bexelbie> aware - probably a lower number
14:17:10 <bexelbie> I am debating whether I should put a talk at devconf
14:17:14 <bexelbie> which would force a blog post or two
14:17:16 <bexelbie> wdyt?
14:17:25 <bexelbie> is this too "inside baseball" for a non-Fedora event?
14:18:04 <bexelbie> I am in talks with the Defensive programmig guide folks about getting them on board with that resurrected text
14:18:12 <bexelbie> and commops is looking at doing a publishing repo as well
14:18:25 <bexelbie> that's all I have on my mind - more questions?
14:18:56 <mattdm> I think it's good for Devconf if we can make part of it about how other projects could use a similar system
14:19:06 <mattdm> like, maybe CentOS to start
14:19:07 <robyduck> brb
14:19:17 <bexelbie> yep
14:19:19 <bexelbie> my thoughts too
14:19:48 <bexelbie> randomuser, is working on content improvement ideas and I hope that leads to greater support for new contributors
14:19:54 <bexelbie> we are missing a contributor guide - needs to be done
14:20:07 <mattdm> bexelbie: a docs contributor guide, or a general one?
14:20:09 <bexelbie> Release Notes seem to be working well with a workflow we did on the fly - so we will probably just build on that
14:20:15 <bexelbie> docs contribution guide
14:20:26 <mattdm> that does seem ... catch-22ish
14:20:26 <jwb> bexelbie: i think devconf won't reach the fedora community...
14:20:28 <bexelbie> we need general contributor work done too - I suspect join and others will have opinions
14:20:42 * mattdm notes time. more on this topic or move on?
14:20:49 * bexelbie is good
14:21:09 <mattdm> okay next more bexelbie-on-the-spot :)
14:21:12 <mattdm> #topic Budget: What are we doing with it? What about next FY?
14:21:47 <bexelbie> there are several proposed FADs none have budgets
14:21:57 <jwb> where are they proposed?
14:22:04 <bexelbie> in their various working groups
14:22:21 <bexelbie> I know of CommOps, Diversity, Mindshare, council (though the last two may be off the table)
14:22:37 <bexelbie> I have a nascent idea for one more but haven't had time to review it with myself :P
14:22:51 <langdon> modularity wants one too.. but can't figure out when
14:22:55 <bexelbie> there is a proposal to do some centralized usb key ordering to reduce costs and get some keys to go with federators
14:23:06 <jwb> ok, can we stop calling "ideas WGs have" as things that are proposed?
14:23:16 <jwb> a proposal means there's something to review
14:23:32 <mattdm> jwb fair :)
14:23:46 <mattdm> Do we need a call for concrete proposals?
14:23:53 <mattdm> Like with an end-of-month deadline?
14:24:10 <bexelbie> I suspect mid December is more realistic .. given holidays
14:24:28 <mattdm> Makes sense.
14:24:38 <bexelbie> The ambassador regions look like they have very little planned for end of Q3 and Q4 - they appear to all be heading to an underspend
14:25:00 <x3mboy> !
14:25:04 <bexelbie> I haven't heard additional ideas from Mindshare - I need to verify that Diversity put their outreachy spend in the system
14:25:05 <langdon> bexelbie: calendar Qs? or rht calendar?
14:25:20 <mattdm> This drives me crazy with all of the drama about perceived "budget cuts" when we put forth the budget in the first place
14:25:24 <bexelbie> Fedora FY quarters langdon  (aligns with RHT)
14:25:26 <mattdm> x3mboy: feel free to jump in :)
14:25:59 <x3mboy> As ambassador, my full energy in this 2 months (ending the year) are focused in the F27 release
14:26:05 <x3mboy> And doing some RPs
14:26:20 <x3mboy> And I'm pretty sure that almost all regions though the same way
14:26:27 <jwb> i suspect if we get a bunch of proposals mid-December we're going to wind up ignoring them until after the new year
14:26:55 <bexelbie> x3mboy, I agree, however RPs are rarely large budget spends - so I was focused on things that move that needle
14:26:59 <bexelbie> I am hugely +1 on RPs
14:27:26 <bexelbie> I have heard some commentary about regional swag orders but have seen no proposals
14:28:21 <mattdm> jwb: Yeah, we'll need to make sure we have a concerted effort from the council to not ignore them
14:28:48 <mattdm> RP = "release party"?
14:28:52 <bexelbie> yes
14:28:53 <langdon> i am not sure why tday is that much of a worry here..
14:29:14 <langdon> the groups you are talking about are fairly strongly not usa ..
14:29:24 <langdon> however.. we also have a release too
14:29:58 <langdon> i guess i was just wondering "early december" might be better than mid.. to avoid holidays
14:30:04 <jwb> yes
14:30:43 <bexelbie> langdon, the council theoretically can have more flexibility than working groups ... it is a more defined smaller group
14:31:06 <jwb> ....
14:31:09 <jwb> you lost me bexelbie
14:31:43 * mattdm notes ten minute mark. +1, 0, or -1 to continue on budget?
14:31:46 * langdon looks forward to xmas with the council in the seychelles
14:31:49 <mattdm> +1 to continue
14:32:06 <langdon> what is the outcome we want on this subject?
14:32:14 <bexelbie> I have no more budget comments - budget.fedoraproject.org is updated
14:32:24 <bexelbie> the flock hotel bill finally settled
14:33:04 <mattdm> Outcome: are we in crisis with a bunch of unspent money even though we clearly *could* use money to do useful things?
14:33:39 <mattdm> if the answer is yes, still, then who is doing something about it? :)
14:34:03 <langdon> i think so we are close .. bex's page shows more than 1/2 unspent and we are 5 months left of the fy
14:34:24 <langdon> assuming i counted correctly.. can never remember if march is this fy or next
14:34:30 <bexelbie> langdon, my concern is that I don't see spend for those 5 months being proposed, planned and talkeda bout
14:34:33 <mattdm> Also, what's the process for requesting next year's budget? I think the process decause and I invented is not happening (that was based around the expectation of requests from ambassadors being in by *now*)
14:34:34 <bexelbie> March is next FY
14:34:41 <bexelbie> we have 4 months including this one
14:35:14 <mattdm> and no more flocks :)
14:35:18 <bexelbie> mattdm we didn't follow it this year so I think the belief is that we had changed the process
14:35:21 <jwb> do we want to use some of those funds to bring fedora members to devconf for fedora day?
14:35:31 <jwb> sort of a concentrated, larger FAD?
14:35:45 <bexelbie> I'd be in favor of that if there are objectives
14:35:58 * bexelbie debates saying it'd be a flock tick/tock to upset mattdm
14:36:05 <mattdm> bexelbie: hah
14:36:32 <mattdm> I think that's a decent approach. We can make the Fedora day really mean something
14:36:35 <langdon> i think that would be cool.. especially if groups could organize a work day or two around it
14:36:55 <bexelbie> it'd probably need to fall between devconf and fosdem
14:37:00 <x3mboy> I can't say others regions, but LATAM freak out about the FUDCon line not being mandatory for the budget
14:37:08 <bexelbie> based on my knowledge of other people's calendars
14:37:17 <x3mboy> Even after it was really good explained to us by bexelbie
14:37:19 <bexelbie> x3mboy, it was also never asked for ...
14:37:49 <mattdm> #info We're considering using budget to bring Fedora people to Devconf in February
14:38:28 <mattdm> x3mboy: I'd love to see a proposal for something new, replacing FUDCon with a confernece tailored for LATAM user and potential contributor audiences
14:39:37 * langdon thinks bexelbie and mattdm have more context on this.. i don't understand x3mboy comment about "fudcon line" .. but not sure i have too
14:39:56 * langdon hates when he mixes first and third person :/
14:39:57 <x3mboy> mattdm, well, honestly mee too
14:40:14 <mattdm> bexelbie let's you and I come up with a draft message calling for formal fad proposals, and post to commblog?
14:40:16 <bexelbie> langdon, LATAM and APAC were bothered that there wasn't a forced allocation of money for FUDCon.  Instead council asked for proposals for what makes sense - as FUDcons didn't seem to
14:40:25 <bexelbie> +1 mattdm
14:40:33 <langdon> bexelbie: ahh i see..
14:40:33 <mattdm> okay now we have an action :)
14:40:43 <mattdm> let's go to next topic
14:40:48 <mattdm> #topic Upcoming Elections
14:40:54 <langdon> #undo
14:40:54 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x6291110>
14:41:03 <mattdm> oh, sorry
14:41:07 <mattdm> yes langdon? :)
14:41:07 <langdon> mattdm: i also want to see something about fad at devconf.. or devconf in general..
14:41:25 <mattdm> jwb: hey, you and langdon want to put together a proposal for that? :)
14:41:42 <langdon> ha.. i weaved when i should have dodged
14:41:53 <mattdm> :)
14:42:20 <jwb> sure
14:42:28 <langdon> jwb, mattdm i can work on that sometime in the next few weeks.. but no sooner..
14:42:32 <mattdm> awesome. now we have *two* actions :)
14:42:49 <mattdm> that seems fine. bexelbie, when do we need to be purchasing travel?
14:43:13 <bexelbie> 3-4 weeks out is usually considered good
14:43:20 <mattdm> ok, so no problem there.
14:43:24 <bexelbie> so we need to get this out there by December to get it going, imho
14:43:32 <mattdm> *nod*
14:43:36 <bexelbie> langdon, jwb if you can start drafting comments, mattdm and I may be able to help you shape it
14:43:41 <mattdm> +1
14:43:45 <mattdm> okay, next topic for realz
14:43:50 <langdon> +1
14:43:53 <mattdm> #topic Upcoming Elections
14:43:56 <jkurik> IMO there is no need to do anything at the moment
14:43:58 <jkurik> We are in the period when we collect questions for Questionaire
14:44:02 <jkurik> Once F27 is released we will start with nominations and voting and ... etc...
14:44:12 <mattdm> jkurik: where are the questions being collected?
14:44:33 <jkurik> as usual
14:44:35 <jkurik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/Questionnaire
14:45:13 <mattdm> cool, okay, thanks. do nominations start right on release day?
14:45:25 <jkurik> no, one week after GA
14:45:38 <mattdm> did we decide on whether the questionnaire is mandatory?
14:45:43 <mattdm> any process changes from last time around?
14:46:00 <langdon> the community was pretty clear it should be mandatory.. i don't know if a decision was made
14:46:04 <jkurik> we changed the periods
14:46:33 <jkurik> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/135#comment-467523
14:46:44 <mattdm> proposal: the questionairre is mandatory for all elections; if it's not done in time, you won't be on the ballot
14:47:01 <mattdm> except "questionnaire"
14:47:07 <jwb> +1
14:47:12 <bexelbie> +1
14:47:17 <jwb> can we send out reminders 2 wks and 1wk out?
14:47:21 <jkurik> I believe we have agreed on the following proposal:
14:47:21 <mattdm> (that's not a word anyone can actually spell without looking up each time)
14:47:23 <jkurik> Positions elected by generally by the Fedora community (FPCA+1 voting requirement) are required to complete an election interview article which will be linked in the elections application. Positions elected by a subset of the Fedora community (FPCA+specific group(s)) must complete an interview or whatever other requirements are put forward by their electing groups.
14:47:34 <mattdm> jkurik: oh, good for us.
14:48:09 <mattdm> memory is hard :) thank you!
14:48:21 <mattdm> okay, let's move on to Modular Server
14:48:24 <mattdm> because, clock
14:48:33 <mattdm> #topic Fedora Server and Modularity
14:48:38 <jkurik> We have some stable composes at least
14:48:40 <mattdm> langdon: update?
14:48:42 <langdon> we have a beta rc!
14:48:42 <jkurik> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/27/
14:48:45 <mattdm> \o/
14:48:57 <mattdm> is it likely that we will have that ready to go at the same time as overall GA?
14:49:06 <mattdm> that might simplify the story
14:49:06 <langdon> actually.. we have had a few.. qa is testing .. no current open blockers
14:49:23 <langdon> we have go no-go on thurs and it is looking pretty promising
14:49:41 <mattdm> also: I see that the decision came down to brand it as "Fedora Modular Server" rather than just "Fedora Server"
14:49:44 <langdon> but, we are missing screen, so ;)
14:49:49 <langdon> mattdm: true
14:49:53 <jwb> do you have tmux?
14:49:57 <langdon> jwb: yes
14:49:59 <mattdm> to help user realize that Things are Weird and Different and Screen Might Be Missing
14:50:07 <mattdm> alias screen=tmux
14:50:09 <mattdm> problem solved
14:50:15 <jwb> or put screen in the same module
14:50:16 <langdon> and ... i meant to include screen .. but dropped the ball.. so we might have it for ga
14:50:39 <jwb> HACKS
14:50:43 <mattdm> now you don't have to type ctrl-aa all the time just to get a normal ctrl-a to go to the beginning of the line
14:50:55 <langdon> mattdm: EXACTLY
14:51:08 <mattdm> robyduck: is there more you need for the websites with this?
14:51:09 <langdon> moar questions?
14:51:18 <jwb> ok, widening the question a bit, how many other common server-ish packages aren't in a module?
14:51:21 <langdon> mo did comment on the effort for her team
14:51:46 <langdon> jwb: that is a very hard question.. like do you have a list? cause everyone's list is different
14:51:56 <langdon> but my guess is "most are there"
14:51:59 <mattdm> langdon: also, adamw suggested that someone talk to mbriza about the media creator and how we want Fedora Server to be presented
14:52:06 <robyduck> mattdm: no, we are fine with everything
14:52:10 <jwb> langdon: i guess i'll take a todo to look myself.
14:52:10 <jkurik> jwb: I believe it is the reason  why we are releasing the Modular Beta to let users to tell us
14:52:18 <mattdm> And I did and mbriza had no idea so... that's a todo. :)
14:52:27 <robyduck> it's beta, so it's fine for now
14:52:36 <langdon> yeah.. i saw that.. but i gotta figure out the answer
14:52:44 <mattdm> *nod*
14:52:46 <jwb> langdon: adamw asked an interesting question about upgrades...
14:52:55 * langdon has some rough internal deadlines at the moment which isn't helping
14:53:01 <jwb> langdon: namely if someone has f26 Server installed and does an upgrade... what do they get?
14:53:16 <mattdm> right now, I'm 97% sure that they will get F27 Server
14:53:21 <jwb> i guessed the answer was "non-Edition f27"
14:53:26 <jwb> mattdm: that doesn't exist
14:53:27 <mattdm> which does not nominally exist
14:53:31 <langdon> jwb: we discussed that at length during the server meeting.. no complete conclusion.. but in progress
14:53:39 <mattdm> right, except in practice it might still
14:53:51 <jwb> langdon: ok.  what i would suggest is that upgrades don't go to modular server
14:53:52 <robyduck> mattdm: I have a doubt on having F27 Server images on dl.fp.o (traditional server)
14:53:54 <langdon> mattdm: discussing explicitly putting in a package to switch it
14:53:58 <mattdm> I agree that "non-Edition F27" is what it *should* do
14:54:04 <langdon> ohh.. wait.. i may be misremembering
14:54:06 <jwb> mattdm: right
14:54:10 <langdon> it is in the server meeting minutes
14:54:24 <mattdm> This seems likely to be one of the things that sgallagh is on top of :)
14:54:33 <langdon> because we decided we had to decide in case we had to do something for tradtional release
14:54:41 * sgallagh looks up
14:55:14 <mattdm> robyduck: as I understand it, it's more work to _stop_ making them, so they'll be there but we won't tell anyone :-/
14:55:15 <langdon> sgallagh: what was the final conclusion on the server-26->27 upgrade experience
14:55:38 <langdon> a
14:55:40 <langdon> GREED: Upgrade bugs from Fedora 26 Server Edition to Fedora 27 do
14:55:40 <robyduck> ok
14:55:42 <langdon> not block the release of either F27 or F27 Modular. We will address
14:55:43 <jkurik> langdon: afaik the decision was to deliver the traditional release but not do any advertising
14:55:43 <langdon> (attempt to fix, at least document) issues with dnf upgrade from
14:55:45 <langdon> Fedora 26 Server to Fedora 27 non-modular packages on a best-effort
14:55:46 <langdon> basis. We currently intend to provide a recommended upgrade path
14:55:48 <langdon> from Fedora 26 Server to Fedora 28 at the time of Fedora 28 release.
14:55:49 <langdon> (sgallagh, 21:42:27)
14:55:51 <sgallagh> "Upgrade bugs from Fedora 26 Server Edition to Fedora 27 do not block the release of either F27 or F27 Modular. We will address (attempt to fix, at least document) issues with dnf upgrade from Fedora 26 Server to Fedora 27 non-modular packages on a best-effort basis. We currently intend to provide a recommended upgrade path from Fedora 26 Server to Fedora 28 at the time of Fedora 28 release."
14:56:20 <langdon> sgallagh: had a much better c/p
14:56:27 <mattdm> sgallagh + bexelbie: how do we get that in the release notes?
14:56:28 <sgallagh> I agree with robyduck that the non-modular media should probably be trimmed from dl.fp.o if it's reasonably uncomplicated
14:56:55 <bexelbie> mattdm, a PR or Issue in pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes
14:56:58 * jwb squints at sgallagh's text
14:57:01 <mattdm> sgallagh: because of this whole Truth of the Compose thing, we can't trim stuff we make without drawing the ire of adamw and dgilmore :)
14:57:19 * bexelbie doesn't believe we have any release notes content for F27 Modular Server
14:57:20 <jwb> sgallagh: if i'm reading that correctly, it means f26->f27 upgrades do NOT move to f27 modular server?
14:57:20 <robyduck> my doubt is because people know that website address and I saw in some forums that users go and get these images
14:57:30 <sgallagh> jwb: That is correct
14:57:35 <jwb> sgallagh: great.  thank you
14:57:36 <mattdm> robyduck: yeah, not so great
14:57:44 <sgallagh> More to the point, we don't actually have a mechanism to attempt it at all
14:58:00 <mattdm> sgallagh, can you find someone to make the release notes?
14:58:07 <jwb> sgallagh: right.  i do like the implication that it needs to be sorted out for f28 though
14:58:13 <mattdm> possibly throw langdon under this bus too? :)
14:58:17 <mattdm> jwb +1
14:58:18 <langdon> BUS
14:58:26 * langdon reads scrollback
14:58:52 <mattdm> langdon: need pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes issue or PR release-notesing what's happening with Server upgrades
14:58:52 <sgallagh> mattdm: I suppose that probably should be me, but I don't know if I can juggle it.
14:58:56 <langdon> mattdm: we can change the pungi-config to not produce instlal media
14:59:10 * sgallagh notes that on top of everything, he's coming down ill today.
14:59:27 <sgallagh> langdon: Too late, if we're Go tomorrow
14:59:43 <langdon> mattdm: ohh .. i have that issue already
14:59:48 <mattdm> yeah, we'll have to do that for final.
14:59:52 <mattdm> langdon to do the release notes?
14:59:59 <langdon> mattdm: yes
15:00:03 <langdon> i think so
15:00:07 * langdon digs
15:00:18 <mattdm> yay! okay, that one is now very urgent :)
15:00:24 <mattdm> and we are at time for the meeting
15:00:34 <mattdm> I promise to do my diversity homework before next meeting
15:00:50 * jkurik brb
15:01:02 <mattdm> anything else?
15:01:14 <langdon> mattdm: sorry.. im confused
15:01:15 <mattdm> jkurik is starting the next meeting so we have a minute or two before he gets back :)
15:01:20 <langdon> why is it urgent?
15:01:32 <jwb> what isn't at this point? :)
15:01:37 <langdon> jwb: point
15:01:44 <jwb> i need to drop.  good meeting everyone
15:01:52 <robyduck> see you jwb
15:01:52 <langdon> but the deadline for server release notes is at least a few weeks away, right?
15:01:57 <langdon> or by tuesday?
15:02:13 <sgallagh> langdon: We need to have something in place for the traditional release about the upgrade path
15:02:19 <sgallagh> because people WILL attempt this on Server
15:02:24 <mattdm> langdon: yeah, we need it for tuesday
15:02:40 <mattdm> which means somewhat _before_ tuesday so it can get in the release notes on the website
15:02:56 <langdon> ohh.. so not release notes.. traditional-fedora-not-releasing-server-notes
15:02:59 <mattdm> it's already too late to get in the release notes which get packaged into the distro
15:03:03 <mattdm> which is bexelbie's fault
15:03:18 <mattdm> langdon: well, release notes for Traditional Fedora
15:03:40 <mattdm> and with that, time to end meeting
15:03:42 <langdon> mattdm: yeah.. but it doesn't describe anything about the release of modular server.. per se
15:03:59 <mattdm> langdon: nope. :)
15:04:13 <mattdm> 3
15:04:14 <langdon> mattdm: i do NOT currently have a ticket for that :/
15:04:15 <mattdm> 2
15:04:17 <mattdm> 1
15:04:21 <langdon> luckily i have days ..
15:04:23 * mattdm makes langdon a ticket
15:04:27 <mattdm> #endmeeting