14:00:34 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2018-01-17) 14:00:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 17 14:00:34 2018 UTC. The chair is mattdm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:34 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council_(2018-01-17)' 14:00:35 <mattdm> #meetingname council 14:00:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council' 14:00:37 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb langdon robyduck bexelbie dperpeet Amita 14:00:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita bexelbie dperpeet jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck 14:00:39 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes 14:00:40 <cverna> thanks stickster 14:00:45 <jkurik> .hello2 14:00:46 <bexelbie> .hello bex 14:00:50 <Amita> .hello amsharma 14:00:59 <mattdm> Goodbye, magazine people! Hello council people! 14:01:08 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com> 14:01:18 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:01:21 <zodbot> Amita: Something blew up, please try again 14:01:36 <Amita> :D 14:01:48 <mattdm> .hello2 14:01:49 <zodbot> mattdm: Something blew up, please try again 14:01:52 <mattdm> nice. 14:02:05 <Amita> .hello amsharma 14:02:16 <zodbot> Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' <amsharma@redhat.com> 14:02:19 <dperpeet> .hello dperpeet 14:02:20 <Amita> thanks 14:02:25 <langdon> .hello2 14:02:31 <zodbot> dperpeet: dperpeet 'None' <dperpeet@redhat.com> 14:02:38 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com> 14:02:47 <mattdm> Cool. Josh already said he couldn't make it. Not sure about robyduck 14:02:53 <jkurik> hi dperpeet 'None' 14:03:07 <mattdm> and I think we have everyone else. 14:03:14 <mattdm> So let's get started. 14:03:25 <mattdm> #topic Today's Open Floor Agenda 14:03:30 <jwb> in another meeting at the moment, apologies 14:03:49 <dperpeet> jkurik, I should change that to nemo 14:03:51 <mattdm> jwb: no problem. after the election, we should look to see if this is still the best common time 14:04:23 <langdon> mattdm: im +1 on that... i also have some conflicts now 14:04:28 <mattdm> #info This is an Open Floor meeting. That means we construct an agenda now based on what people are interested in talking about. 14:04:48 <mattdm> #info How this works: people suggest topics, I take a few minutes gauging interest and put them in order 14:04:57 <mattdm> #info and we go through each one spending about 5-10 minutes 14:05:11 <mattdm> #info if we are spending more than that time on one thing, I ask for a vote to continue. 14:05:24 <mattdm> So, what things are on people's minds this morning (or afternoon or evening) 14:05:33 <Rhea> .hello rhea 14:05:34 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' <radka.janek@redhat.com> 14:05:43 <Rhea> ! 14:05:54 <mattdm> welcome Rhea. Go ahead. 14:06:10 <Rhea> I would like to ask if you could take a look at #171 today? 14:06:17 <Rhea> here: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/171 14:06:58 <mattdm> Rhea: yeah. in fact, I think we should go through all of the FY18 spending budgets 14:07:06 <mattdm> spending tickets i mean 14:07:07 <langdon> #170? 14:07:13 <mattdm> because we're running out of fy18 14:07:37 <mattdm> yeah, modularity objective. 14:08:13 <mattdm> anything besides spending and modularity? 14:08:38 <mattdm> bexelbie: can you put together a list of the spending tickets? 14:08:44 <mattdm> Let's do: 14:08:55 <mattdm> #info Topic 1: Modularity refresh 14:09:15 <mattdm> #info Topic 2: FY18 spending requests 14:09:21 * bexelbie goes to work on that 14:09:24 <mattdm> and then break down topic 2 when we get there. 14:09:28 <mattdm> Sound good everyone? 14:09:33 <jkurik> yes 14:09:45 <mattdm> okay then :) 14:09:59 <Amita> I wanted to ask about https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issue/11 14:10:02 <Amita> from bexelbie 14:10:12 <Amita> but let's see if time permits 14:10:17 <mattdm> amita sounds good 14:10:26 <Amita> Sure 14:10:28 <mattdm> #info Topic 3: fedora council role docs 14:10:36 <mattdm> #topic Modularity Objective 14:10:43 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/170 14:11:10 <mattdm> This is the continuing saga of the "rings" part of the Fedora.next initiative 14:11:14 <mattdm> from several years ago. 14:11:22 <mattdm> Langdon says it ends up not being rings, but I disagree :) 14:11:35 <langdon> rings are for the simple minded ;) 14:11:40 <mattdm> ouch :) 14:11:52 <langdon> n-space hypercubes ftw 14:11:56 <mattdm> In short: we had a prototyping phase for this as an initiative previously 14:12:15 <langdon> two actually :) design, then prototype... 14:12:16 <mattdm> That did what prototypes often do: build something which turned out to have lots of problems.... 14:12:20 <mattdm> oh yeah. 14:12:34 <mattdm> But now we have what looks like a good handle on something that will really work. 14:12:44 <mattdm> This initiative aims to put that into production. 14:13:06 <robyduck> .hello robyduck 14:13:07 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com> 14:13:08 <langdon> right... but we have some stuff we are giving up... but we can get that stuff later... maybe 14:13:22 * mattdm looks at the "timeframe" in the wiki and edits "F28 and F28" to "F28 and F29" 14:13:33 <langdon> oops 14:13:46 <mattdm> langdon: any more to say? any questions, anyone else? 14:14:24 <jkurik> if we are talking about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Fedora_Modularization_%E2%80%94_The_Release then I am OK with the objective 14:14:27 <langdon> if people are interested in the details of what did and didn't work i will be giving a talk about it at devconf.. under a poorly talk name at the moment 14:14:54 <mattdm> jkurik: yes, that's the one 14:15:05 <mattdm> did I forget to link that? 14:15:09 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Fedora_Modularization_%E2%80%94_The_Release 14:16:40 <bexelbie> I am +1 as well 14:16:47 <langdon> obviously, i am +1 14:16:50 <mattdm> I'm +1, for the record 14:17:00 <mattdm> langdon I hope so :) 14:17:05 <bexelbie> Will you continue to represent the initiative during this phase langdon ? 14:17:18 * bexelbie doesn't recall seeing the rep mentioned 14:17:18 <langdon> bexelbie: thats my plan 14:17:25 <langdon> really? 14:17:32 <mattdm> bexelbie: yes, langdon is tagged as objective lead 14:17:32 <langdon> i thought it ws in there.. /me goees to look 14:17:33 <mattdm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/Fedora_Modularization_%E2%80%94_The_Release#Objective_Lead 14:17:42 <bexelbie> ahh it is there 14:17:45 <bexelbie> I just read over it 14:17:46 <bexelbie> sorry about that 14:17:46 <mattdm> needs a picture, perhaps :) 14:17:51 <langdon> ha 14:17:53 <bexelbie> and a small bio! 14:18:15 * langdon needs to fix his user page.. 14:18:27 <langdon> i thought it had content but discovered yesterday it is blank 14:19:05 <mattdm> People who have followed my Logic Model obsession may note that this one lacks the arrows from left to right 14:19:20 <mattdm> we actually had them on the whiteboard ... 14:19:22 <bexelbie> I noticed that 14:19:25 <bexelbie> re: arrows 14:19:31 * x3mboy in spy mode as always 14:19:31 <bexelbie> assumed you left them out for clarity 14:19:36 <mattdm> the groups in input map nicely to activities but it is a big mass of spiderwebs 14:19:46 <mattdm> and likewise actitivies to outputs 14:20:12 <mattdm> I have some concern with outputs to outcomes, because theoretically that should be a nice 1:1 or 1:few or few:1 mapping 14:20:32 <mattdm> but in this case, we kind of have a big "if we have *all* of these outputs" situation 14:20:43 <mattdm> which means there is some risk 14:20:47 <mattdm> I mean, a lot of risk 14:21:02 <mattdm> but, that's where we are and it can't really be helped I don't think 14:21:07 <mattdm> So I'm still +1 to trying :) 14:21:56 <bexelbie> Given the risk, I would like to see the situation regularly discussed and reported on - I don't want us to get to the end and not know it isn't working out ... 14:21:58 <mattdm> I am not hearing anyone oppposed and there are more than three yesses, so I'm going to mark this approved 14:22:41 <mattdm> jwb, robyduck -- didn't hear from you, so let me know if you have concerns 14:22:42 <langdon> well.. and it is "addon".. right so it doesn't block anything 14:22:59 <mattdm> langdon: Yeah, but it is a big chunk of work so there's opportunity cost 14:23:08 <langdon> true 14:23:17 <mattdm> but let's see how it goes :) 14:23:25 <langdon> but oppty cost != risk ... 14:23:45 * robyduck is fine 14:24:18 <mattdm> okay, ship it :) 14:24:33 <mattdm> #topic Budget requests for FY18 (ending soon!) 14:24:45 * robyduck is still sick, over always over 100F, so I'm a bit off the line.... 14:25:06 <mattdm> robyduck: that doesn't sound good! 14:25:29 <robyduck> not really, no, but can't change it :) 14:25:37 * mattdm wonders if there is a way to get zodbot to ship icepacks or medicine 14:25:44 <mattdm> bexelbie: do you have that list? 14:25:50 <bexelbie> In reverse numerical order: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/175, https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/174, https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/171, and maybe (private) https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/173 which would need to be opened to be funded. 14:25:58 <bexelbie> order selected because of the default sort 14:26:23 <Rhea> Or... green tea, real one, not that leftover powder you can buy in store... 14:26:33 <mattdm> Rhea++ 14:26:33 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for rhea changed to 10 (for the f27 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:26:43 <mattdm> #topic #175 LATAM Budget Increase - Swag 14:26:47 <mattdm> https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/175 14:27:05 <mattdm> This is basically a request to stock up on supplies 14:27:21 <mattdm> which is a traditional end-of-year thing to do for Ambassadors, as I understand it 14:27:42 <mattdm> My only question is: LATAM only? What about other regions? 14:27:49 <bexelbie> Yes, this also is actually resupplying LATAM which has not been fully restocked in a while 14:27:57 <bexelbie> The other regions currently don't need budget to do their swag purchases 14:28:03 <bexelbie> LATAM needs it 14:28:09 <bexelbie> therefore the other regions won't go through council at this time 14:28:15 <mattdm> ah okay. 14:28:20 <bexelbie> s/at this time/at all/ 14:28:23 <bexelbie> unless they run out of $$ 14:28:28 <mattdm> as noted in ticket, I'm for it 14:28:49 <bexelbie> I filed it on behalf of the ambassadors down there because of timing, but am independently +1 14:28:50 <robyduck> +1 too 14:29:20 <mattdm> ok. seems straightforward. marking approved. i'll make that comment -- bexelbie can you #topic the next item? 14:29:41 <bexelbie> #topic Docs FAD 2018 - https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/174 14:29:45 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/174 14:30:17 <bexelbie> Some of this spending will definitely bleed into next FY because of timing issues. This needs to be approved knowing that things like food, for sure will not make the FY cut 14:31:13 <mattdm> I'll repeat my comment in the ticket: This is relatively high for a FAD, although not out of line with some of the others we've done before, but I also think it will have a big impact 14:31:34 <robyduck> bexelbie: nobody cared even about the docs Mindshare rep, is it possible to nominate one by the end of the voting period? 14:31:41 <robyduck> +1 with mattdm 14:31:59 <bexelbie> robyduck, I don't think so, but I am hopeful we can get one as we regrow that group and this FAD should help there 14:32:07 <mattdm> robyduck: I think the problem is that there's really not an active team. This fad should help rebuild that 14:32:08 * bexelbie will rep for docs until there is a rep for Mindshare 14:32:18 <mattdm> Should we add "select a mindshare rep" to the outcomes? 14:32:48 <bexelbie> An explicit goal of this FAD is to get interested parties without regard to their already being in the docs FAS group in hopes of building a base to grow on from Fedorans 14:32:52 <robyduck> mattdm: I hope 10k will help finding people :) 14:32:56 <bexelbie> or non-Fedorans who are qualified 14:33:20 <mattdm> robyduck: yes, exactly :) 14:33:21 <robyduck> yeah, can we add this to the FAD? Having bex as interim rep is fine too, in the meanwhile 14:33:54 * bexelbie edits the wiki 14:33:58 <mattdm> cool. 14:34:15 <mattdm> okay, with robyduck +1 that's the required three positive votes. anyone have concerns about this? 14:34:15 <langdon> so. .. a little confused... 14:34:36 <bexelbie> robyduck, refresh please :) 14:34:39 <langdon> this is the docs rep to the mindshare team? that is being discussed ^^ ? 14:34:54 <mattdm> langdon: this is the whole docs fad 14:34:57 <robyduck> +1 14:35:13 <langdon> yeah... im just confused on the "reps" conversation part 14:35:18 <jwf> Sorry for the late arrival – I'm around but in a dayjob meeting. If my vote is needed, please ping me 14:35:31 <mattdm> jwf: only if you want to vote against things :) 14:35:42 <Amita> +1 for docs FAD 14:36:08 <mattdm> langdon: because Docs is not currently functional, the seat for that group on the Mindshare committee is empty 14:36:17 <jwf> I've kept up with ticket comments and nothing is against my conscience :) 14:36:19 <mattdm> We just added "fill that spot" to the FAD's goals 14:36:24 <mattdm> jwf thanks! 14:37:13 <mattdm> It's worth noting that we may end up doing this in the EU instead of Raleigh if that works out to be convenient for more of the attendees 14:37:21 <langdon> mattdm: got it.... ok.. i was confused about "direction" .. like mindshare -> docs or docs -> mindshare 14:37:32 <mattdm> langdon: here, it's docs -> mindshare 14:38:19 <mattdm> langdon: other than that any particular concerns? want to come do some writing? :) 14:38:40 <langdon> ha... i am not sure i can be free for those dates.. i am speaking at scale 14:38:42 <langdon> but ill look 14:38:52 <bexelbie> We are definitely looking for active writing participation 14:39:04 <bexelbie> this is not just a talk/strategy FAD and there is hopefully limited infra work needed 14:39:18 <mattdm> #info this is a sit down and actually write stuff FAD. 14:39:40 <mattdm> Okay, I'm marking this approved and we can move to the next one 14:40:46 <mattdm> #topic fedoraloves.net swag - https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/171 14:40:56 <langdon> i want some of that swag! 14:41:02 <mattdm> This is a relatively small request 14:42:10 <bexelbie> Rhea, how many people are in the .NET SIG and active right now? 14:42:12 <mattdm> Rhea: is there a roadmap for the pre-built tools required to build the stuff to become all open/self-hosting? 14:42:49 <Rhea> No roadmap, nope, it's all hanging on upstream progress, where the source-build doesn't'have any plans or roadmaps. 14:43:16 <mattdm> I see this as having the *potential* to bring in new users and contributors from a pool we haven't really accessed before 14:43:33 <Rhea> There are 7 active and a few more occasional contributors 14:43:45 <langdon> i have a number of friends in the dotnet community who are super excited to get off windows 14:43:47 <bexelbie> I am +1 swag - I want to know that we have a roadmap for getting in front of devs 14:44:05 <bexelbie> and a good roadmap means we should print a little extra swag 14:44:28 <Rhea> We don't have have a roadmap, this is not a product. 14:44:37 <mattdm> I'd like to get this to places other than FOSDEM and Devconf 14:44:45 <bexelbie> roadmap means where you want to go to present it 14:44:46 <Rhea> This is a ... explaining to MS how open source works 14:44:49 <bexelbie> not how you are developing it 14:44:49 <mattdm> Let's get it to where the dotnet developers are 14:45:31 <Rhea> Microsoft is in the lead with majority of the development force, we are there to tell them what they're doing wrong - only recently we all realised that they didn't understand that we need the tools to be built from source... 14:45:47 <mattdm> Rhea: magic word there is "self-hosting" 14:46:00 <Rhea> I don't understand the term self hosting when it comes to this technology 14:46:24 <mattdm> Rhea: able to be built from itself. 14:46:30 <mattdm> but that's a tangent, I think 14:46:48 <langdon> like you can't compile the dotnet vm on linux (last i knew) .. you must build it on windows 14:46:52 <Rhea> I am not able to present at too many places myself, but stickers can fly everywhere eh 14:46:56 <mattdm> I'm +1 to this, but I'd _also_ like to see plans to have presence to Microsoft Build 14:47:18 <bexelbie> yeah, but stickers on a table have limited impact. Do we have enough SIG members to get this material used in a conversation? 14:47:20 <Rhea> langdon: you can build everything from source, our packages are built from source on Fedora. 14:47:25 <mattdm> it doesn't need to be Rhea, but we need ambassadors for this, whether from Ambassadors or elsewhere 14:47:28 <langdon> mattdm: +1 ... i am happy to work that booth (spent many years as a c# and vb developer) 14:47:32 <bexelbie> yes 14:47:33 <Rhea> langdon: we just use a pre-built "tool or two" to do it 14:47:43 <bexelbie> and this also is a chance to test a "give a talk; get a shirt" concept 14:48:02 <robyduck> yeah, I think bexelbie got it to the point, just making some swags is not enough (same applies for ambassadors) 14:48:17 <Rhea> Yup, sounds like a good incentive 14:48:19 <langdon> mattdm, bexelbie just to be clear, build does not have a cfp ... microsoft would have to ask us.. which they might... but we need to talk to some people 14:48:23 * mattdm looks at clock -- can we approve the swag ticket for now, with a note that we'd like to see a conference/outreach plan to go with it? 14:48:37 <x3mboy> ! 14:48:39 <mattdm> langdon: I'm pretty confident that we could get asked. 14:48:47 <mattdm> x3mboy: feel free to jump in 14:48:53 <mattdm> you people with your polite hand-raising :) 14:49:12 <langdon> mattdm: yeah... im sure too.. but we need to a) have a person who will speak b) tell the people at ms to ask the person to speak :) 14:49:22 <bexelbie> Rhea, is the calendar entry for the DotNet meetings in fedocal accurate? I can try to drop in and help with mechanics on getting conferences ont eh calendar; also I can help with ordering/warehousing/shipping 14:49:28 <Rhea> I'll be talking to people at devconf/fosdem about where to take it further, so after that I can share more info 14:49:32 <Rhea> bexelbie: yes it is 14:50:16 * mattdm is waiting on x3mboy :) 14:50:22 <x3mboy> I know Rhea knows this, because she feels it in her own flesh, but most contributors (and it's worse with Ambys) are not happy with dotnet in Linux, so first we need to educate ourselves (the Fedora Project) on why this is good for us 14:50:44 <langdon> bexelbie: link to the meeting in fedocal? i don't see it 14:50:51 <Rhea> cause it's'open and free ;) 14:51:01 <mattdm> x3mboy: "not happy" in the sense that people are worried about technology that comes from Microsoft? 14:51:09 <bexelbie> #link https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/SIGs/#m4933 14:51:15 <langdon> i am pretty happy about it... 14:51:28 <x3mboy> mattdm, yeah! Most people thinks "If come from MS, so it's bad" 14:51:35 <x3mboy> Paranoia everywhere 14:51:36 <Rhea> langdon: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/SIGs/2016/11/4/#m4933 14:51:40 <bexelbie> x3mboy, sounds like a great chance to start a video/podcast series - let's ask .NET to do a 10 min talk on this we can share out 14:51:46 <langdon> bexelbie, Rhea thanks 14:52:01 <mattdm> I'm curious how many people really think that vs. people who are worried that people think that :) 14:52:08 <x3mboy> bexelbie, Well, my podcast serie is waiting for mattdm to answer my email xD 14:52:31 <mattdm> But in any case, it's well-noted that there's need for internal outreach as well 14:52:32 <x3mboy> .NET sig will be a great 2nd article 14:52:43 <mattdm> x3mboy: uh, when did you send that mail? :) 14:53:00 <bexelbie> x3mboy, let me know how I can help with that 14:53:01 <Rhea> I wrote a bunch of blogs on... microsoft-hate being a "legacy feeling" as Brian said once :P 14:53:05 * bexelbie even has a microphone :P 14:53:15 <Rhea> I'll keep it up more after the conferences. 14:53:20 <mattdm> Rhea++ 14:53:25 <bexelbie> Rhea, it might be better to approach this from a "here is where we are" not "stop hating" 14:53:33 <Rhea> yup 14:53:34 <robyduck> mattdm: re-looking at clock :) 14:53:38 <x3mboy> bexelbie, Really? I need it! I was willing to ask for funding to buy one for Mktg 14:53:41 <mattdm> robyduck: yeah good call :) 14:53:47 <robyduck> can we approve this and add the note you said before? 14:53:48 <Rhea> Well I was putting it into a reflection with "i don't like python, i don't hate you for it" 14:53:49 <robyduck> :D 14:54:01 <bexelbie> x3mboy, it is RH/Fedora property (not public budget for those looking) 14:54:04 <x3mboy> mattdm, I think I ask to you via the Mktg ML 14:54:06 <mattdm> bexelbie: you okay with this swag purchase with the note as noted? 14:54:15 <mattdm> x3mboy: I'll re-check. sorry 14:54:41 <x3mboy> bexelbie, I need it for Mktg, no for me really. It's funded in the Podcast series that I'm planning with Mktg 14:54:45 <x3mboy> Ok 14:54:47 * langdon suspects x3mboy's email is in "oh well 2017" ;) 14:55:16 <x3mboy> langdon, LOL, no, it's not I sent it in Jan 10th 14:55:17 <x3mboy> :D 14:55:26 <x3mboy> </eom> 14:55:31 <bexelbie> +1 to approving with notes for the SIG to make plans for presence in FY19 at several .NET focused events 14:55:32 * x3mboy in spy mode again 14:55:56 <langdon> x3mboy: mattdm just has mine all routed to /dev/null ;) 14:56:02 * mattdm is +1 to buying x3mboy a mike 14:56:23 <mattdm> #topic Private budget request ticket from langdon 14:56:32 <mattdm> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/173 14:56:37 <mattdm> #info private ticket link 14:56:48 <Rhea> Okay thanks, I'll keep you informed about the future plans then. 14:56:52 <mattdm> Discuss this in ticket, council people, I guess :) 14:56:59 <robyduck> oh, for skiing holidays? 14:57:04 <bexelbie> cool 14:57:09 * robyduck joking 14:57:28 <langdon> re: 173 this is totally killable if it is too soon 14:57:29 <mattdm> bexelbie: any more budget things in the next 2 minutes? 14:57:34 <bexelbie> nope 14:57:35 <bexelbie> not yet 14:57:56 <mattdm> Also, I'm totally in favor of buying x3mboy a mic for podcasts 14:58:32 <bexelbie> I'll help him with his request when it is time :D 14:58:39 <bexelbie> Shall we try to answer Amita's q? 14:59:11 <mattdm> #topic Council docs thing 14:59:15 <mattdm> bexelbie: yes go talk fast :) 14:59:32 <bexelbie> Amita, ... you're on 14:59:41 <bexelbie> #topic Migrate the description of the Diversity Advisor 14:59:45 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issue/11 14:59:46 <Amita> so what actually I need to do for https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issue/11 14:59:56 <Amita> I think the page need updates 15:00:04 <Amita> and .. 15:00:05 <bexelbie> page edits need to be approved by the council 15:00:18 <Amita> ok 15:00:20 <bexelbie> moving it is a mechanical process I can help you with outside of the meeting 15:00:36 <Amita> right 15:00:59 <Amita> so I need to just move it? 15:01:01 <bexelbie> any other questoins? 15:01:09 <bexelbie> yeah, I can help or I can even just do it 15:01:14 <Amita> or I should send the edits for approval ? 15:01:14 <bexelbie> I jsut wanted to get it done :) 15:01:21 <bexelbie> same as the one for FPgM 15:01:24 <bexelbie> they come to the council in a ticket 15:01:32 <Amita> ah ok 15:01:37 <bexelbie> The move is a copy. Changes are a separate issue 15:01:41 <bexelbie> we can move the page first 15:01:46 <bexelbie> then your changes can be a PR that is discussed in council 15:01:48 <Amita> sound good 15:01:59 <mattdm> bexelbie: Is this going to ruin my thing of having exactly 7 topics under each menu item on https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/council/charter.html ? 15:02:06 <bexelbie> mattdm, you found me out 15:02:16 <mattdm> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 15:02:18 <bexelbie> but we could put it under council members or charter if you want 15:02:27 <bexelbie> along with the two exiting descriptions and add the FPgM one 15:02:32 * bexelbie looks at jkurik 15:02:42 <jkurik> bexelbie: I know :) 15:02:52 <mattdm> I can live with two more pages 15:03:34 <bexelbie> jkurik, we can talk about your page moving too if you want after conferences 15:03:37 <mattdm> okay, anything else? we're running into jkurik's next meeting :) 15:03:37 <bexelbie> or nowish :D 15:04:20 <langdon> meetings! 15:04:30 <mattdm> okay, ending this one 15:05:17 <mattdm> #endmeeting