15:32:56 <Rhea> #startmeeting Fedora DotNet (2018-01-18)
15:32:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 18 15:32:56 2018 UTC.  The chair is Rhea. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:32:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_dotnet_(2018-01-18)'
15:33:02 <Rhea> #meetingname dotnet
15:33:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'dotnet'
15:33:03 <Rhea> #nick dotnet
15:33:21 <Rhea> #topic Agenda
15:33:23 <Rhea> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:DotNet_latest
15:33:27 <Rhea> #info (1) Roll Call
15:33:29 <Rhea> #info (2) Announcements
15:33:32 <Rhea> #info (3) Action items and Tickets
15:33:36 <Rhea> #info (4) Packaging progress / Open Floor discussion
15:33:40 <Rhea> #topic Roll Call
15:33:46 <Rhea> #action dotnet New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the DotNet mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/DotNet ]
15:33:50 <Rhea> If this is your first time at a DotNet meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
15:33:59 <Rhea> .hello rhea
15:34:01 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' <radka.janek@redhat.com>
15:34:11 <aslice> .hello aslice
15:34:12 <zodbot> aslice: aslice 'Andrew Slice' <andrew.slice@redhat.com>
15:35:23 <Rhea> wakey wakey
15:35:24 <Rhea> :D
15:35:25 <pcreech> .hello pcreech17
15:35:27 <zodbot> pcreech: pcreech17 'Patrick Creech' <pcreech@redhat.com>
15:35:30 <tmds> .hello tmds
15:35:31 <zodbot> tmds: tmds 'Tom Deseyn' <tom.deseyn@gmail.com>
15:36:48 <Rhea> #topic Announcements
15:36:58 <Rhea> #info Simultaneous debugging of JavaScript and .NET code with Rider
15:37:03 <Rhea> #link https://blog.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2018/01/17/simultaneous-debugging-javascript-net-code-rider/
15:37:17 <Rhea> I thought this was interesting... for ASP.NET applications o.o
15:37:58 <Rhea> #info January 2018 Fedora Elections - voting is open
15:37:58 <tmds> I wanted to check out Rider, so I installed the latest version (2017.3)
15:38:03 <Rhea> #link https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/7r4809/elections_january_2018/
15:38:08 <tmds> It won't even compile hello world
15:38:15 <tmds> that was also an interesting experience ...
15:38:46 <Rhea> The above link contains links to the different candidate interviews and to the voting app...
15:39:03 <Rhea> tmds: Something's wrong between Rider and dotnet CLi
15:39:12 <Rhea> It's using whatever is installed on your system
15:39:35 <tmds> I have installed our dotnet SIG packages
15:40:26 <Rhea> Works just fine for me. I haven't'updated to 2017.3 release - last time i used it was when it was 2017.3 EAP
15:40:29 <Rhea> #info .NET Core January 2018 Update
15:40:31 <Rhea> #link https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2018/01/09/net-core-january-2018-update/
15:40:44 <Rhea> omajid: Do we have Fedora update on this?
15:41:08 <omajid> nope. i am still waiting for anything we can build on fedora.
15:41:30 <Rhea> Okay, that doesn't sound well..
15:41:33 <omajid> also, clang kind of broke on fedora, so even if got something, i wont be able to build it.
15:41:51 <Rhea> What how o.o
15:41:53 <omajid> clang bug is: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518384
15:42:17 <Rhea> #topic Action items and Tickets
15:42:23 <Rhea> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/dotnet
15:42:25 <Rhea> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-dotnet/issues?tags=meeting
15:42:29 <Rhea> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
15:43:03 <Rhea> We don't have any actual action points from the last meeting but we were talkinga bout the `dotnet` "package alias"
15:43:56 <Rhea> omajid: what's that like now? Did we have already the `dnf install dotnet` working or is that still blocked by the dnf issue?
15:44:27 <omajid> Rhea: it's a weird issue. i can work around it, but since clang is busted, i can't actually build a fix :)
15:44:42 <omajid> it is still broken atm.
15:45:16 <Rhea> What do we have right now?
15:45:41 <omajid> the right way to do 'dnf install dotnet' is via provides, which runs into the copr/dnf issue. the other fix would be to make dotnet a proper package. that should work, but we can't build it (since clang is broken)
15:46:11 <omajid> right now we have 'dnf install dotnet-sdk-2.0'
15:48:58 * Rhea creates issues for these
15:49:21 <Rhea> omajid: can you please give us some rundown of what all is broken / blocker towards Fedora repo?
15:49:38 <Rhea> pre-conference update I would say...
15:50:04 <Rhea> Does anyone have a link to the dnf bug?
15:50:20 <omajid> uh. okay. generall install/use via `dnf install dotnet-sdk-2.0` should work.
15:50:26 <omajid> dnf bug is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519325
15:50:34 <omajid> `dnf install dotnet` doesn't work.
15:51:07 <Rhea> tankz
15:51:19 <omajid> the workaround suggested in that bug report should work, but we can't build it (or even any updates to dotnet) because clang has a regression which means it can not compile coreclr anymore. that's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518384
15:51:54 <Rhea> Yep
15:52:25 <Rhea> #topic Packaging progress / Open Floor discussion
15:52:38 <bexelbie> !
15:52:41 <Rhea> #info clang bug is blocking our builds completely
15:52:43 <Rhea> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-dotnet/issue/35
15:52:48 <Rhea> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518384
15:52:55 <Rhea> bexelbie: Go on :]
15:53:30 <Rhea> #info dnf install dotnet - blocked by a dnf bug and a hack blocked by clang bug.
15:53:32 <Rhea> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-dotnet/issue/36
15:53:38 <bexelbie> Yesterday the council approved some swag for Fedora Loves .NET - as part of that conversatoin there was a lot of interest in seeing active representation about Fedora/.NET at .NET developer focused conferences.  Ensuring we don't just send stickers or preach to our base.
15:53:58 <bexelbie> I am not a .NET technical person, but as FCAIC I'd like to know if I can help the SIG make that happen
15:54:00 <bexelbie> eof
15:55:21 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> I'm going to all kinds of conferences in Europe, I don't have a plan for this year yet...
15:55:25 <tmds> which .net developer focused conferences?
15:55:39 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> omajid / aslice could think about attending or presenting at stuff in NA
15:55:50 <tmds> like devconf and fosdem, are not .net developer focused conferences
15:55:54 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> and @Axel (axels) could think about something in India 😛
15:56:03 <bexelbie> tmds, the council wasn't specific - as that isn't anyone on the council's area of focus.  But they'd (we'd - pronouns are hard today) like to see active Fedora messaging in front of these developers
15:56:11 <bexelbie> they represent a new gropu of potential contributors and users
15:56:23 <bexelbie> and people who could align with our mission of empowering people to serve their audience of choice
15:56:53 <bexelbie> tmds, exactly, moving outside of the FOSDEM/DevConf style bubble and to audiences which may legitmately be new to Fedora/Linux
15:57:08 <aslice> Yeah, I've been looking at some of the NA conferences and putting together something that might be interesting to talk about.
15:57:27 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> omajid what's blocking us from Fedora actual repositories?
15:57:40 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> The last thing i'd like to know before the other meeting begins...
15:57:51 <omajid> Rhea: a ton of things. big one being that we can't use the .net core we just built to build itself.
15:58:19 <omajid> we had a long discussion with microsoft about this in december. they know the pain points for fedora, but it will take some time.
15:58:20 <aslice> bexelbie: There's a big Open Source conference in Raleigh (All Things Open), but that isn't .Net specific. Is that the kind of thing that the council was thinking about?
15:59:03 <Rhea> So it's'long story short "prebuilt tools are required to build from source" which is actually "we need dotnet to build dotnet..."
15:59:08 <bexelbie> aslice, the council would like to target the developer community this SIG is focused on
15:59:35 <bexelbie> so if it is a place where Fedora already has a general presence or where we may have limited impact with the .NET community that is of less interst for a .NET SIG focused effort
15:59:41 <bexelbie> ATO is something Ambassadors would probably do
15:59:44 <Rhea> bexelbie: so something like the two Microsoft conferences/meetups I was at right :D
16:00:02 <bexelbie> though if people here want to do it that would be awesome, but it is probably somethign we should do through NA ambassadoras
16:00:09 <bexelbie> based on my literally 20 min at ATO one year
16:00:19 <bexelbie> Rhea, yes, those kinds of events
16:00:25 <bexelbie> how do we do more now that we have swag
16:00:28 <bexelbie> and funding options, etc.
16:00:32 <Rhea> Like... what was the name of the online dotnet one?
16:00:39 <Rhea> tmds: you know this ^
16:01:40 <tmds> https://www.dotnetconf.net/ ?
16:02:11 <Rhea> #action dotnet Look for .NET conferences within your region where we could participate and present Fedora.
16:04:09 <Southern_Gentlem> Southeast Linuxfest would be a good place for a .Net talk
16:04:22 <tmds> I think there are a lot of .net user groups
16:04:26 <tmds> those may be interesting too
16:04:53 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> yup
16:05:02 <tmds> those are not actual conferences, but more like a bunch of people who sit together from time to time
16:05:28 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> Yeah but I would even go to smaller meetups that don't require traveling (too far)
16:05:37 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> Might be worth taking a look if nothing else
16:06:23 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> To not hold anyone from the internal meeting, let's stop here for now, we have it as action point 😃
16:07:18 <bexelbie> and let me know how I can help with mechanics as this group doesn't get funding through ambassadors typically so I can coordinate with council and help with arrangements
16:07:31 <DiscordBridge> <Rhea> Yup, will keep you informed
16:07:32 * bexelbie is not qualified to speak on .NET but I would love some talking points to use and share with Ambassadors!
16:07:43 <Rhea> Will do that too
16:08:01 <Rhea> #action Rhea Prepare some talking points about dotnet-on-Fedora
16:08:04 <Rhea> #endmeeting