16:01:21 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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16:01:25 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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16:01:27 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
16:02:13 <tflink> .hello tflink
16:02:14 <zodbot> tflink: tflink 'Tim Flink' <tflink@redhat.com>
16:02:14 <adamw> hi folks, who's around for the qa meeting?
16:02:17 * coremodule is here! Good morning adamw.
16:02:22 * sumantrom[m] is here
16:02:23 <adamw> note: at least five of you cannot lie about this
16:02:33 <coremodule> Hey tflink, sumantrom[m]
16:02:57 <orc_fedo> adamw: I am here, Lafayette
16:03:06 <sumantrom[m]> Hi coremodule , tflink and adamw
16:04:09 <adamw> hi!
16:04:11 <adamw> so, funny story, i'm in the brno office and we sort of messed up our planning
16:04:13 <adamw> so we are running the meeting from a pizza restaurant :P
16:04:15 <adamw> lukas, petr, kamil and frantiszek are all here but only on phones
16:04:44 * tflink didn't realize that they were even joined via phone
16:05:16 <adamw> hush, i'm making them look good
16:05:22 <adamw> they keep looking at their phones, that's close enough!
16:07:07 <adamw> #chair tflink
16:07:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw tflink
16:07:12 <adamw> #chair sumantro
16:07:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw sumantro tflink
16:07:24 <adamw> alrighty then
16:07:28 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:08:33 <adamw> #info "adamw and pwhalen to discuss adding aarch64 workers to openqa" - we have talked about it, and now we're talking about it some more :) with fedora infra and aarch64 folks. i believe the plan is to give us something like 12 quite small boxes that aren't being used for anything else. that should work fine
16:09:19 * guest8231 is here
16:09:36 <adamw> hi petr
16:09:56 <sumantro> hi pschindl_mobile :)
16:10:04 <adamw> anything else on that?
16:10:05 * pschindl_mobile is also here
16:10:26 <tflink> not that I'm aware of, no
16:10:37 <adamw> alrighty
16:10:52 <adamw> "adamw to check with coremodule if he can write HoF posts for F26 Beta" - coremodule, how's that coming?
16:12:10 <coremodule> Expect the article to be released by the end of the week.
16:12:14 <coremodule> *articles
16:13:03 <tflink> adamw is easily distracted :)
16:13:08 <adamw> awesome, thanks coremodule
16:13:43 <coremodule> No problem!
16:13:46 <adamw> #info "adamw to check with coremodule if he can write HoF posts for F26 Beta" - coremodule says this is in progress and expect release by end of week
16:13:56 <adamw> anything else on that, or other followups?
16:14:07 <tflink> nothing from me
16:14:26 <sumantro> nothing from my side as well
16:14:32 <adamw> okey dokey
16:14:36 <adamw> #topic Fedora 28 mass rebuild
16:15:00 <adamw> so, this is a pretty simple topic, but I just wanted to flag it up: the Fedora 28 mass rebuild is scheduled for this week
16:15:42 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:15:43 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:15:54 <adamw> it was actually scheduled to start wednesday, but i believe it's being delayed a bit to friday
16:15:55 <sumantro> hi frantisekz :D
16:16:10 <frantisekz> hi sumantro :)
16:16:35 <adamw> this usually means an awful lot of churn in rawhide; we may get broken composes, new test failures, and there will likely be some packages which fail to build
16:17:50 <adamw> so, be on the lookout for that :) and if you want to help out with fixes, great. usually i do some of that, with nirik and some others
16:17:57 <tflink> Ggguest: you have some spelling issues, methinks
16:18:18 * tflink notes that kparal is Ggguest
16:18:25 <adamw> #info Rawhide mass rebuild is going to start Friday 2018-02-02 we believe, expect some churn in Rawhide for several days
16:18:28 <adamw> gg guest
16:18:52 <adamw> any questions, thoughts?
16:19:24 <adamw> for those who don't know what the 'mass rebuild' is: once every other release cycle, we try and rebuild every package in the distro, usually right after a major gcc version bump. that's what's happening.
16:19:26 <tflink> nothing really from me - I'm not anticipating any problems from Taskotron
16:19:45 <tflink> we've had issues with the backlog getting huge during mass rebuild
16:20:28 <adamw> well, we'll see :)
16:20:36 <tflink> true
16:20:42 <adamw> ok, then, next topic@
16:20:52 <adamw> #topic Update gating (and other gating)
16:21:27 <adamw> so, this was kind of the big emergency of the week...
16:23:12 <adamw> on thursday 18, gating of rawhide updates on automated tests was enabled: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1810 . this was a FESCo decision
16:23:21 <adamw> erf
16:23:22 <adamw> sorry
16:23:26 <adamw> stable release updates, of course
16:25:09 <adamw> the initially-selected gating tests were taskotron tests rpmdeplint and abicheck for all updates, and the 'CI pipeline' tests for atomic packages only
16:25:30 <adamw> (CI pipeline: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CI )
16:26:27 <adamw> and https://github.com/CentOS-PaaS-SIG/ci-pipeline/blob/master/README.md
16:27:07 <adamw> this turns out to have caused a few problems...i wrote a comment on the fesco ticket with a summary: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1810#comment-490382
16:27:31 <adamw> the current status is unfortunately more or less the same as that summary, the efforts to mitigate the problems have sort of stalled after abicheck was taken out of the 'gating' list
16:27:53 <adamw> so we still have the problem of updates being blocked if the expected tests have not been executed. i'm going to try and poke the appropriate people to get that situation improved asap
16:28:05 <adamw> so, that's the situation...anyone have thoughts, ideas, comments, suggestions?
16:29:13 <tflink> i think it's a good step forward
16:29:57 <tflink> we'll have to figure out what's needed to get to the point where abicheck can be blocking again
16:30:03 <orc_fedo> adamw: it comes to mind to only start rolling gateing in against RawHide, and upt updates, to prevent mass frammage from people not used to such
16:30:08 * tflink has lost track of how long that's been on wishlists
16:30:12 <orc_fedo> s/upt/not/
16:30:14 <adamw> right, there was that discussion about the suppression files; we can probably throw one of those into the task quickly
16:30:26 <tflink> one would hope
16:30:36 <tflink> it's worth looking into, at least
16:30:44 <adamw> orc_fedo: in a way, gating rawhide would cause *more* chaos, because rawhide changes much more
16:31:21 <orc_fedo> adamw: as I said: but against a population more accustomed to curve balls
16:31:23 <adamw> but more practically, there isn't a way to gate rawhide really at present; there is no bodhi for rawhide
16:32:18 <adamw> there's been some talk about gating rawhide package builds and there's a desire to do it, but it requires quite a bit of tooling work to get there (and probably even more work to make people not mad about it :>)
16:33:02 <adamw> also, our pizza is here, so we may slow down a bit :)
16:33:30 <adamw> this gating is also sort of an atomic-focused thing at present
16:33:34 <orc_fedo> adamw: adding a shadow RawHide in bodhi seems not impossible -- then run it against that, and the noise is harmless  (I understand there are repoclosure issues from time to time with RawHide builds, but that seems solveable with 'find' and delaying expirations)
16:34:26 <adamw> so it's working on the stable release Atomic rebuilds, effectively; that's what the atomic team is focused on. the gating of non-atomic updates on abicheck and rpmdeplint was a sort of added bonus
16:34:48 <adamw> orc_fedo: there's been a few plans proposed, some of them looked a bit like that :)
16:35:16 <adamw> orc_fedo: it was the infrastructure team talking about it, so you could poke pingou and nirik in #fedora-admin about it, they have thoughts, and may have a ticket where it's being tracked
16:35:59 <adamw> sooo, let me do some zodbot bureaucracy...
16:36:19 <adamw> #info gating of stable release updates on abicheck, rpmdeplint and ci pipeline tests (for atomic packages) was enabled on jan 18
16:36:45 <adamw> #info this caused some problems that we (along with factory 2.0 team) are working on resolving: unwanted failures from abicheck, and updates being blocked because expected tests were not run
16:37:15 <adamw> #info abicheck has been removed from the blocking test set for now, and we will work to narrow its focus to avoid the unwanted failures so it can be added back
16:37:47 <adamw> #info we will also work with factory 2.0 team on the various proposed ways to address the 'lack of expected tests' issue
16:38:36 <adamw> #action adamw tflink kparal to work on resolving abicheck issues and work with factory 2.0 folks on 'lack of expected tests' issue
16:39:10 <adamw> threebean: if you're listening, that all sound OK for you?
16:40:12 <adamw> and, anyone have other thoughts on that? :) or ideas etc
16:40:37 <tflink> sounds like a plan for me
16:40:45 <sumantro> sounds good to me
16:41:21 <adamw> cool cool
16:41:23 <adamw> so, onto the next one
16:41:41 <adamw> #topic Wiki to docs migration
16:42:14 <adamw> so, this one's mainly for sumantro :)
16:42:23 <sumantro> yes :)
16:42:53 <adamw> sumantro and bexelbierd are, i believe, working on a plan to migrate some of our docs from the wiki to the new docs project
16:42:59 <adamw> especially the onboarding docs
16:43:02 <adamw> correct, sumantro?
16:43:08 <sumantro> yes exactly
16:43:20 <sumantro> bexelbie, will help us out with the qa repo
16:43:34 <adamw> cool, do you have any links, extra info on that etc? are there ticket(s) for it?
16:44:13 <sumantro> no tickets, but yes I spoke to bex he will give us the repo shortly.
16:44:25 <adamw> ok, it'd be good to have tickets somewhere to check progress, if you can
16:44:36 <adamw> and so people can follow your progress, comment, etc
16:44:39 <sumantro> yes I will file a ticket to track :)
16:44:41 <tflink> sumantro: are you going to the docs hackfest?
16:44:42 <threebean> adamw: +1 on the question from earlier.  :)
16:44:49 <adamw> threebean: thanks!
16:45:43 <sumantro> no I am not tflink
16:46:09 <adamw> #info sumantro is working with bexelbie to migrate some QA docs (especially onboarding) from the wiki to the new docs project, to aid with visibility, polish etc.
16:46:20 <adamw> #action sumantro to file ticket(s) for progress on doc migration work
16:46:32 <sumantro> tflink, I think we have coremodule who has applied
16:46:39 <tflink> cool
16:47:09 <adamw> coremodule: is that right?
16:47:21 <coremodule> Yeah, here's hoping!
16:47:40 <adamw> ok, cool. soooo...what docs were you working on? :)
16:49:04 <coremodule> Well, not much currently, but waiting to hear what I should work on.
16:49:37 <tflink> coremodule: all of the things!
16:49:43 <adamw> DOCUMENT ALL THE THINGS
16:50:16 <adamw> seriously, we'll maybe talk about that outside of the meeting
16:50:32 <adamw> #info coremodule has applied to attend docs hackfest in Brno, let's hope he gets there
16:50:59 <coremodule> The contributor handbook and some kind of QA onboarding document were both talked about between sumantro and I earlier... Those are some docs we see as pretty essential.
16:51:23 <adamw> cool, that sounds good
16:51:24 <tflink> those sound like good places to start to me :)
16:51:25 <coremodule> Sure, I'm all for that
16:51:33 <sumantro> :D
16:51:44 <sumantro> coremodule,  we will do it! :D
16:51:48 <adamw> soo, any other thoughts/notes on that topic?
16:52:05 <coremodule> Yes... I thought it was originally scheduled to be held in Raleigh?
16:52:16 <coremodule> Or am I confuzzled.
16:52:32 <adamw> errrr...i heard brno, but....i'm usre this will be clarified :)
16:52:34 * adamw looks
16:52:49 <tflink> one of us could be. i thought bex said it was in brno but I guess we'll find out :)
16:53:39 <sumantro> its gonna be in EU somewhere, thats what bex told me when we spoke last
16:53:55 <adamw> coremodule: you're going on a magical mystery tour
16:53:59 <adamw> they'll send a plane to pick you up
16:54:02 <adamw> the Docs Plane
16:54:48 <coremodule> they're coming to take me away!
16:54:53 <adamw> hehe
16:55:03 <adamw> away, away, they're coming to take me away...
16:55:06 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:55:15 <adamw> sooo, that's all I had - any other thoughts/concerns/ideas/plans to save the world?
16:56:07 <sumantro> nothing from my side, the world is safe until mass rebuild :D
16:56:15 <tflink> nothing from me
16:56:38 <coremodule> Good here
16:58:25 <adamw> in that case, thanks folks!
16:58:28 * adamw sets the fuse
16:59:32 <tflink> boom1
16:59:52 <adamw> boom2
16:59:52 <tflink> 34
17:00:00 <tflink> damnit
17:01:31 <tflink> thanks for coming, everyon!
17:01:41 * tflink can't type today :(
17:01:45 <tflink> #endmeeting