06:30:28 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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06:30:28 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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06:30:28 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
06:30:28 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2018-03-14
06:30:33 <suanand_> hi ..
06:30:39 <tagoh> hi
06:30:53 <epico> hi
06:30:59 <bhavin192> hi
06:31:13 <pyadav> hi
06:31:36 <vishalvvr> hi
06:32:21 <paragan> #chair suanand_ tagoh epico bhavin192 pyadav vishalvvr
06:32:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: bhavin192 epico paragan pyadav suanand_ tagoh vishalvvr
06:32:24 <paragan> Hi all
06:32:35 <paragan> welcome to bi-weekly Fedora i18n meeting
06:33:09 <paragan> Yesterday only we had our Fedora i18n test day https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-03-13_I18N_Test_Day
06:33:30 <paragan> Hopefully everyone has completed testing Fedora 28 and submitted results to results page
06:33:31 <juhp> hello
06:33:39 <paragan> #chair juhp
06:33:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: bhavin192 epico juhp paragan pyadav suanand_ tagoh vishalvvr
06:34:00 <paragan> I am glad that we got good number of testers this time
06:34:27 <paragan> I will generate the Summary of this test day soon and will share the results on the test day page
06:34:35 <mfabian> Hi☺
06:34:37 <paragan> also we can discuss on that in next meeting
06:34:41 <paragan> #chair mfabian
06:34:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: bhavin192 epico juhp mfabian paragan pyadav suanand_ tagoh vishalvvr
06:35:44 <paragan> thank you all who participated in i18n test day
06:35:44 <juhp> paragan: thanks
06:35:50 <juhp> Yes good to see
06:37:14 <paragan> okay let's have a look at current Fedora 28 schedule
06:37:25 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:37:25 <paragan> #info 2018-03-06 	Beta Freeze (*)
06:37:25 <paragan> #info 2018-03-27 	Beta Release (Preferred Target)
06:37:25 <paragan> #info 2018-04-03 	Beta Release (Target #1)
06:37:25 <paragan> #info 2018-04-17 	Final Freeze (*)
06:37:37 <paragan> so we are in beta freeze
06:38:30 <paragan> your package updates will only be in updates-testing repository
06:38:38 <paragan> even if it reached to stable karma
06:39:00 <paragan> there is yet no confirmation on when to release Fedora 28
06:39:10 <paragan> as there are some issues going on
06:39:51 <paragan> if anyone want to know more about them then they are listed here -> https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1862
06:41:13 <paragan> Keep testing Fedora 28 as we saw some changes in anaconda spokes and also gnome-initial-setup
06:42:16 <paragan> I saw yesterday Gnome 3.28.0 megaupdate has been submitted https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-5ebe0eb1f2
06:42:25 <paragan> not yet in testing repo
06:42:34 <paragan> maybe by tomorrow it will be available
06:44:17 <juhp> yes
06:44:30 <juhp> thanks for the fesco issue link
06:45:04 <paragan> if nothing more to discuss here then let's move to tickets
06:45:20 <paragan> I am not picking all the Change tickets today but only tracker
06:45:25 <pravins> hi
06:45:41 <paragan> going by serial numbers
06:45:50 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
06:45:50 <paragan> #info #78: package Liberation Classic Font in Fedora (pnemade)
06:45:50 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/78
06:45:59 <juhp> #chair pravins
06:45:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: bhavin192 epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins pyadav suanand_ tagoh vishalvvr
06:46:13 <pravins> hmm, this is still pending on me. :(
06:46:23 <juhp> any eta?
06:46:25 <pravins> i did not find time in last 2 weeks.
06:46:37 <paragan> Just an update
06:46:39 <dminca> hi
06:47:16 <juhp> pravins: how long is the process to make an upstream release? :)
06:47:26 <paragan> I am going to bump the version of existing liberation-fonts package from 1.07.4 to 2.00.1
06:47:34 <pravins> i agree, i have been very late into this.
06:47:38 <juhp> for rawhide?
06:47:42 <pravins> in fact want to do it as soon as possible,
06:47:44 <paragan> for rawhide
06:47:48 <juhp> pravins: no, just asking, curious
06:48:04 <paragan> hopefully there should not be anything to check
06:48:18 <paragan> just the version bump should work
06:48:21 <pravins> if, i am not doing before next meeting. Will ask someone else to take over it and i will just provide guidance
06:48:43 <juhp> personally I feel we don't really need LiberationOne though
06:49:00 <pravins> paragan: that is fine. But there is one issue. Liberation-fonts 1.07 has narrow and liberation 2.00 does not have narrow.
06:49:02 <juhp> but no doubt someone will disagree
06:49:11 <juhp> pravins: you saw tagoh's screenshots?
06:49:21 <pravins> i think, we already have different package for liberation-narrow.
06:49:23 <juhp> pravins: ah
06:49:49 <juhp> pravins: ah yes we do
06:50:04 <juhp> or did ;-)
06:50:09 <juhp> lol
06:50:12 <pravins> no, i did not saw tagoh's screenshot.
06:50:14 <juhp> f19
06:50:23 <pravins> yeah, it might be "did" ;)
06:50:45 <juhp> .bug 1375061
06:50:47 <zodbot> juhp: Bug 1375061 – RFE: try switching to Liberation Fonts 2 again - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1375061
06:50:50 <juhp> pravins: very much so
06:51:41 <juhp> pravins: it is a subpackage of liberation-fonts
06:51:45 <pravins> most of the time, even my spectacle does not help to find hinting difference ;)
06:52:01 <juhp> well there are certainly differences
06:52:13 <juhp> for some glyphs at least
06:52:18 <juhp> 9
06:52:24 <juhp> and some sizes
06:52:29 <paragan> pravins, thanks then that is easy update for liberation-fonts :)
06:52:38 <juhp> for larger sizes not very much
06:53:00 <pravins> yeah, for larger size not much. In fact, if one explore outline inside fontforge, those are ditto same.
06:53:19 <juhp> Anyone have concerns on using liberation 2.00 ?
06:53:36 <juhp> pravins: okay
06:53:47 <pravins> the approach we missed last time was providing backup for old version. I regret, we did not tried to provide liberation 1.07.4 with different name in F21
06:53:51 <juhp> s/using/moving to/
06:54:02 <juhp> okay
06:54:17 <pravins> No concern, since we are more determined to provide backward compatibility to end-users this time.
06:54:28 <juhp> pravins: how long is the maintainer process to roll a new release?
06:54:48 <juhp> need to build binary tarballs etc, right hmm
06:54:52 <pravins> nice comments by Thorsten Leemhuis
06:55:14 <juhp> Anyway I think more people are in favour of moving to 2 than not
06:55:34 <juhp> so I suggest we go ahead for Rawhide first?
06:56:07 <tagoh> juhp: sounds good to me
06:56:14 <pravins> yes, rawhide.
06:56:36 <pravins> paragan: can go ahead with bumping existing version and As soon as i do new release, can build new version.
06:56:54 <pravins> not many fixing
06:57:00 <pravins> but yeah for liberation1 wait for me :)
06:57:14 <paragan> I am building it now in rawhide
06:57:19 <juhp> pravins: you are planning 2.00.2 release?
06:57:26 <juhp> paragan: great!
06:57:37 <paragan> pravins, how can we get liberation-narrow then?
06:57:46 <paragan> its dropped from liberation-fonts spec
06:57:55 <pravins> it is packaged separately
06:57:57 * pravins checking
06:58:10 <juhp> pravins: also is Liberation1 a better name?
06:58:59 <pravins> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/liberation-narrow-fonts/
06:59:38 <juhp> pravins: that's a dead package, right?
06:59:40 <pravins> juhp: yeah, because of naming issue liberation classic work pending. We have limitation on adding more characters to existing name.
06:59:43 <paragan> this does not look good
06:59:44 <paragan> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=14374
06:59:46 <pravins> juggler[m]: yes
07:00:05 <juhp> pravins: no, I mean Liberation1 rather than LiberationOne
07:00:10 <fujiwarat> hi
07:00:17 <paragan> I hope narrow users will loose then this font in rawhide
07:00:23 <pravins> this is dead, since we re-packaged liberation 1.07 in Fedora.
07:00:36 <paragan> s/hope/think/
07:00:44 <juhp> yeah shrug
07:00:50 <pravins> paragan: we can use same spec and enable it for Fedora rawhide.
07:00:56 <juhp> dunno how important narrow is?
07:01:04 <juhp> oh
07:01:07 <paragan> pravins, how?
07:01:10 <pravins> it is important, it is also replacement of some Windows font.
07:01:12 <paragan> adding new source for narrow?
07:01:14 <juhp> I see
07:01:25 * juhp is also confused
07:01:28 <paragan> where is narrow 2.00.1
07:01:41 <pravins> what i think.
07:01:47 <pravins> 1. Package liberation 2.00.1
07:01:54 <tagoh> if upstream tarball is separate we should package it separately
07:02:04 <juhp> Maybe pravins means for Liberation 1
07:02:12 <pravins> 2. Pacakge liberation-narrow - User liberation 1.07.4 and delete all fonts except narrow. (I used same approach earlier)
07:02:34 <pravins> 3. Package Liberation 1.07.4 with new name, will remove Liberation narrow in new package.
07:03:25 <juhp> hmm
07:03:43 <pravins> lets use step by step approach?
07:03:52 <pravins> paragan ^^
07:03:57 <pravins> its actually confusing :(
07:04:29 <paragan> 1 understood
07:04:32 <tagoh> why is the step 2 and 3 needed?
07:04:34 <paragan> 2 what is this?
07:05:03 <pravins> Step 2: only to get LiberationNarrow pacakge  from liberation 1.07.3 in Fedora.
07:05:14 <paragan> 3 if we need to provide narrow then we need to package it separately or we can even include in main liberation-fonts spec
07:05:17 <juhp> tagoh: 2 to get narrow
07:05:24 <juhp> 3 to get LiberationOne
07:06:17 <paragan> so no 2 upstream releases of narrow font?
07:06:23 <juhp> pravins: was there an upstream plan for Narrow?
07:06:55 <pravins> Good question
07:07:05 <tagoh> missing changelog etc sounds not a good idea to me. and we already have 1.07.4 in fedora so should we simply package narrow as new ?
07:07:22 <juhp> +1
07:07:50 <juhp> Could narrow become a separate source package again?
07:08:08 <pravins> juhp: yeah, that is good suggestion. Lets split Narrow and a new package.
07:08:10 <juhp> well maybe using the current tarball would be okay... mmm
07:08:13 <juhp> okay
07:08:16 <pravins> upstream repository itself.
07:08:24 <tagoh> or add narrow back to 1.07.5 or so and update the package?
07:08:32 <paragan> please decide for once and forever
07:08:39 <paragan> for narrow
07:09:00 <pravins> yeah, making it different Repo will resolve all issues in future.
07:09:10 <pravins> s/Repo/gitrepo
07:09:23 <juhp> tagoh: erm it's already in .4
07:09:45 <tagoh> juhp: aha
07:09:57 <juhp> tagoh: Narrow is only Liberation 1
07:10:10 <paragan> oh ok
07:10:14 <tagoh> ah, okay. seems confused
07:10:17 <juhp> that's the problem
07:10:18 <pravins> What happens: for switching to Liberation 2, i created new package of Narrow. Then we again rolled back, so again back to earlier stuff :)
07:10:30 <juhp> pravins: ah
07:10:45 <paragan> so we will have liberation2 and liberationNarrow1 in rawhide if both packaged and updated?
07:10:54 <juhp> so we can just revamp liberation-narrow-fonts again, no problem
07:11:17 <pravins> no need to rename Narrow, since no conflict with Liberation2.
07:11:22 <juhp> right
07:11:30 <paragan> so just restore dead package right?
07:11:30 <juhp> we just bring it back
07:11:33 <juhp> nod
07:11:34 <pravins> yes
07:11:42 <juhp> pravins: but where is the source?
07:11:49 <paragan> ok
07:11:54 <pravins> paragan: yeah and once i will release new liberation-narrow update source and s-url
07:12:16 <juhp> okay
07:12:23 <paragan> so next rawhide will contain only liberation2 fonts without narrow
07:12:30 <paragan> once we restore narrow font
07:12:37 <pravins> perfect !!
07:12:46 <paragan> the next to next rawhide will have all liberation mix fonts
07:13:11 <pravins> next to next rawhide means?
07:13:26 <paragan> I mean whenever package gets restored
07:13:31 <pravins> yes
07:13:34 <paragan> after that rawhide compose
07:13:39 <paragan> okay
07:14:39 <pravins> lets now execute it !!
07:14:49 <pravins> it is perfectly fine, if there is still confusion ;)
07:15:43 <paragan> okay
07:16:22 <paragan> good discussion
07:16:28 <paragan> lets move to other tickets
07:17:39 <paragan> #info #82: Fedora 28 i18n test day  (pnemade)
07:17:39 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/82
07:18:01 <paragan> I think I have given the update so nothing more to add here
07:18:44 <paragan> #info if anyone still missing then complete your i18n test day testing and submit the results
07:19:06 <paragan> #info test day results will be shared next meeting
07:19:26 * epico will fill it.
07:19:45 * pravins login after 15min.
07:20:18 <paragan> #info #83: Tracker for Fedora 28 Changes (pnemade)
07:20:18 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/83
07:20:40 <paragan> I think our all changes are completed and tested in testday event
07:20:54 <paragan> thank you all Change owners for completing them on time :)
07:22:57 <paragan> next ticket
07:23:05 <paragan> #info #84: Fedora 26 Bug triaging (pnemade)
07:23:06 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/84
07:23:35 <paragan> this has been worked by QA people and only few bugs are pending in F26 queue
07:23:53 <paragan> not much to update on this ticket
07:24:41 <juhp> great
07:24:47 <paragan> #info today remaining bugs count against F26 is 10
07:25:42 <paragan> mostly ibus abrt bugs which can be closed with note that please test against F28 or add needinfo and if no update close after one month with INSUFFICIENT_DATA
07:26:04 <paragan> last ticket
07:26:38 <paragan> #info #85: Docs Beats for Fedora 28 (pnemade)
07:26:39 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/85
07:28:03 <paragan> I think all the Change submitted already got their docs ticket https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/release-notes/issues
07:28:40 <paragan> fujiwarat, tagoh epico mfabian I request all the Change owners to add if needed more information in their own ticket
07:30:23 <juhp> should we track the individual relnotes?
07:30:24 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
07:30:32 <paragan> not sure
07:30:41 <juhp> or just pray for the best? ;)
07:30:44 <paragan> there are tickets per Change t
07:30:58 <juhp> Could we at least add them to the ticket?
07:31:07 <paragan> sure that can be done
07:31:13 <juhp> or ticket(s) :)
07:31:16 <juhp> okay
07:31:29 <juhp> I would just like more eyes on the relnotes for the changes
07:31:42 <juhp> I would like to review them anyway
07:31:59 <juhp> thanks
07:33:29 <paragan> okay
07:33:50 <paragan> Anything to discuss in this Open Floor?
07:34:13 <paragan> Do we need to change the time for this meeting?
07:34:18 <juhp> ah
07:34:29 <juhp> good question
07:35:26 <juhp> I was wanting to suggest that due to a kind of conflict - if we can find another suitable day?
07:36:06 <juhp> maybe Tue or Thu?
07:36:24 <juhp> or any other day actually
07:37:34 <juhp> anyone have any days where they are not available?
07:37:46 <juhp> hmm we already lost pravins
07:38:03 <juhp> perhaps we could also discuss on list?
07:39:23 <juhp> many any day could work...
07:39:27 <juhp> maybe *
07:40:11 <juhp> well it's not super urgent, I could also open a ticket
07:40:40 <juhp> paragan: any thoughts?
07:40:51 <paragan> okay good to open a ticket if needed to change the time
07:40:52 <juhp> we are over time I think
07:40:56 <juhp> okay will do
07:40:57 <paragan> yes
07:41:06 <paragan> closing the meeting in 2 min
07:42:30 <paragan> #endmeeting