12:32:10 <bexelbie> #startmeeting Mindshare
12:32:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 23 12:32:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is bexelbie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:32:16 <bexelbie> #topic Roll Call
12:32:18 <bexelbie> .hello bex
12:32:19 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
12:32:25 <bexelbie> #chair  jflory7 jsmith mleonova nb jwf robyduck x3mboy
12:32:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jflory7 jsmith jwf mleonova nb robyduck x3mboy
12:32:35 <x3mboy> .hello2
12:32:36 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
12:32:47 <jsmith> .hello2
12:32:52 <zodbot> jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' <jsmith.fedora@gmail.com>
12:33:08 * bexelbie wonders why this meeting wasn't in the list I generated earlier
12:33:15 <mleonovaM> .hello mleonova
12:33:16 <zodbot> mleonovaM: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' <marialeonova.design@gmail.com>
12:33:26 <alciregi> .hello2
12:33:27 <zodbot> alciregi: alciregi 'Alessio Ciregia' <alciregi@gmail.com>
12:34:11 * bexelbie gives robyduck jwf and nb a moment
12:34:40 <bexelbie> I believe this will be a short meeting either way
12:35:15 <bexelbie> #topic Ambassadors Conversation
12:35:22 <bexelbie> .thanks jsmith for getting this started
12:35:40 * bexelbie really thought that was the command :D
12:35:48 <jsmith> I responded a bit more this morning to some of the comments -- hoping to draw out more response.
12:35:59 <jsmith> (and to get clarification too)
12:36:27 <bexelbie> I saw that.  I believe it would be a good plan if each of us who has a comment replied to draw out more conversation
12:36:43 <bexelbie> overall though, I believe hte feedback was positive
12:36:49 <jsmith> Yes, please -- I don't want to be the only one in the conversation from a Mindshare perspective :-)
12:36:58 <mleonovaM> For some reason I don't see that conversation in my mail
12:37:08 <bexelbie> mleonovaM, did you get subscribed to the ambassadors list?
12:37:17 <mleonovaM> Yeah
12:37:51 <jsmith> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/6SC3GOJ4TXFOCKSQVNSS5XSMHZ2M6NLQ/
12:38:21 <mleonovaM> Thanks, jsmith :)
12:38:52 <nebebout> hi
12:38:54 <bexelbie> ty jsmith I was trying to look that up right now :)
12:39:00 <bexelbie> #chair nebebout
12:39:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jflory7 jsmith jwf mleonova nb nebebout robyduck x3mboy
12:39:07 <nebebout> i am kind of here- am connected from phone
12:39:46 <bexelbie> so far we've just noted that the resonse to the amby email has been light, but positive.  It'd be great if everyone on the committee would consider replying to help draw out more conversation
12:40:11 <jsmith> bexelbie: In particular, I'd love for you to respond to Neville's comment about swag distribution, and help push that conversation forward
12:40:25 <jsmith> bexelbie: (Since I threw you under the bus in my last comment with regards to swag)
12:41:13 <bexelbie> jsmith, it's ok
12:41:14 <x3mboy> I really don't get what's the problem or maybe I just see things from a different perspective
12:41:25 <x3mboy> About Swag  I mean
12:41:49 <bexelbie> I believe that we should try to start building implementation structure next.  Do we do that next Monday to see if we can get more comments?
12:41:52 <jsmith> x3mboy: The problem is that in some countries in LATAM, the import duties on a small package of stickers/pens/etc. is higher than the items are worth
12:41:52 <x3mboy> About the email, I will re-read all comments and reply today or tomorrow
12:42:03 <bexelbie> that structure can be taken through tickets to implementation
12:42:04 <bexelbie> wdyt?
12:42:24 <x3mboy> +1
12:42:25 <jsmith> x3mboy: So Neville would rather have swag shipped to specific locations and distributed in person (at events like FUDCon LATAM, etc.) rather than through the mail.
12:42:30 <jsmith> x3mboy: (as I understand it)
12:43:14 <x3mboy> jsmith, Yes, you're right, but we discuss that in a lot of meetings and tickets and emails, and we get until the Centralized swag production agreement
12:43:44 <x3mboy> But well, he has his reasons, I have mine
12:44:03 <x3mboy> It's just perspective issues ;-)
12:44:54 <bexelbie> I liked the response from jsmith as it mirrored what I heard at the FAD.  We want to try to do central except where there are good reasons to do something different
12:44:57 <x3mboy> What should we do if we didn't get mor comments?
12:45:20 <jsmith> x3mboy: Ask again for more comments?!?
12:45:34 <x3mboy> jsmith, ping people in meetings?
12:45:49 <bexelbie> I also think that we should start writing the specific implemenation.  Details tend to draw comments :D
12:46:18 <jsmith> bexelbie: Agreed.... Docs are good, huh?!?
12:46:24 <bexelbie> yeah
12:46:34 <bexelbie> and "the devil is in the details" as some of the swag concerns point out
12:46:40 <x3mboy> bexelbie, also, there was a comment about Docs
12:47:39 <bexelbie> I saw that.  I think Andrew will be able to more fully comment when he sees the details
12:47:48 <bexelbie> I heard general buy-in on the philosophy
12:48:06 <jsmith> Agreed.
12:48:24 <jsmith> (With the exception of Itamar's comments, which lack specificity, but I'm working on that)
12:49:00 <bexelbie> Does anyone have time to start generating strawman specifics on how we do this?
12:49:04 <x3mboy> Agreed with jsmith, he made the only negative comment
12:49:20 * jsmith won't have spare time for the next several weeks :-(
12:49:59 <bexelbie> I'll try to find some time to write this week.  Perhaps nb and robyduck and help flavor it with the pieces we have today that work
12:50:21 <jsmith> Sounds like a plan
12:50:33 * x3mboy won't have time this week. FLISoL is coming!
12:50:36 <jsmith> I'm happy to help proofread and throw ideas out, but I doubt I'll have any time to write.
12:51:10 <bexelbie> any other comments here?
12:51:30 * jsmith has nothing further
12:51:42 <x3mboy> Nothing from me
12:52:04 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor
12:52:27 <bexelbie> Since we have decided to focus on the Amby conversation, I think many of our open tickets are delayed by lack of people-power ... or by $life
12:52:39 <bexelbie> there are few tracker tickets that we can get update on, if help is needed
12:52:48 <bexelbie> so anything in particular people want to discuss?
12:53:06 <bexelbie> otherwise I will "yield our remaining time to the chair" :P
12:53:20 <x3mboy> Yes, Why is the ML ticket still open?
12:53:30 <x3mboy> Do we need something else there?
12:53:57 <bexelbie> #topic ml ticket
12:53:59 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/12
12:54:01 * bexelbie re-reads
12:54:34 <bexelbie> I don't see anything about mindshare-announce at https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/12
12:54:47 <bexelbie> I don't see anything about mindshare-announce at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/subprojects/mindshare/mindshare.html#contact-info
12:54:58 <bexelbie> so I think it is open for that reason x3mboy
12:55:00 <x3mboy> Maybe just need to update the https://docs.fedoraproject.org/fedora-project/subprojects/mindshare/mindshare.html#contact-info
12:55:09 <x3mboy> Mmm ok, I can update that, I think
12:55:25 <x3mboy> Cool! If that's all, there shouldn't be a problem
12:55:41 <bexelbie> +1
12:55:48 <jwf> .hello jflory7
12:55:49 <zodbot> jwf: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <jflory7@gmail.com>
12:55:53 <bexelbie> #topic Open Floor
12:55:58 <bexelbie> any other topics for today?
12:55:58 <jwf> Sorry I'm late today.
12:56:05 <x3mboy> Nothing from me
12:56:06 <bexelbie> if we hurry we can beat jwf getting to 5 lines said :P
12:56:07 <bexelbie> j/k
12:56:14 <jwf> lolol :P
12:56:23 <bexelbie> that's three :D
12:57:36 <jwf> So mostly was reviewing the email
12:57:39 <jwf> .thank jsmith
12:57:39 <zodbot> jwf thinks jsmith is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jsmith++ also)
12:57:54 <jwf> I'll try to go through and leave a reply this week
12:57:57 <bexelbie> aha! no s
12:58:16 <bexelbie> .thank jsmith for getting this started
12:58:16 <zodbot> bexelbie thinks jsmith for getting this started is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jsmith for getting this started++ also)
12:58:22 <bexelbie> nice
12:58:45 <bexelbie> Ok, closing in 30 if no one else has anything
12:58:49 <jwf> x3mboy: Enjoy FLISoL! \o/
12:59:02 <x3mboy> jwf, I will try
12:59:03 <bexelbie> anyone?
12:59:04 <jwf> Oh, maybe one thing from me
12:59:10 <bexelbie> jwf go
12:59:30 <jwf> I think I'm going to try and find another person to represent CommOps during F29 cycle on Mindshare:
12:59:32 <jwf> https://blog.justinwflory.com/2018/04/fedora-may-to-august-2018/
12:59:51 <jwf> I haven't thought through it yet but it's something I wanted to do before I check out
13:00:31 <bexelbie> +1
13:01:09 <x3mboy> +1
13:02:05 <x3mboy> jwf, how will you take this? With voting in the team or selecting someone directly?
13:02:31 <jwf> x3mboy: This is the part I haven't thought through yet :) There's so precedent set yet
13:02:35 <jwf> s/so/no
13:03:06 <bexelbie> jwf, I think that precedent should be set by commops for commops.  Each group sends a rep, we don't define how that rep is selected on purpose, iirc
13:03:17 <jwf> I have someone in mind but need to see if that person is interested first
13:03:24 <jwf> bexelbie: That's what I thought made the most sense too.
13:03:52 <robyduck> .hello robyduck
13:03:55 <zodbot> robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' <robyduck@gmail.com>
13:04:26 <x3mboy> bexelbie, sure. iirc robyduck just tell each team: Send someone, and everyone just select the rep as they wish
13:04:49 <x3mboy> robyduck, o/
13:04:57 <robyduck> hi all
13:05:33 <mleonovaM> Hi!
13:06:01 <bexelbie> #topic open floor
13:06:10 <robyduck> hi mleonovaM :)
13:06:12 <bexelbie> any other topics for today
13:06:15 <bexelbie> ?
13:07:23 <x3mboy> I'm thinking on several stuff, but I'm not sure uf they are worthy to discuss while the Amby's convo is happening
13:07:53 <x3mboy> So, maybe next week I will have more action if we start to set things for the new structure
13:08:09 <bexelbie> ok
13:08:19 <jwf> Nothing else from my end.
13:08:27 <bexelbie> In that case, barring other comments/questions - I'll move to close in 30?
13:08:35 <jwf> +1
13:08:37 <x3mboy> +1
13:08:38 <jwf> .thank bexelbie
13:08:38 <zodbot> jwf thinks bexelbie is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bexelbie++ also)
13:08:42 <jsmith> +1
13:08:42 <jwf> bexelbie: Thanks for chairing today!
13:08:47 <jsmith> bexelbie++
13:08:53 <nebebout> +1
13:08:56 <robyduck> I didnt read the backlog but the reactions in tbe ambassadors list are quite positive, IMHO
13:09:16 <robyduck> That's really cool
13:09:26 <bexelbie> robyduck, that is what we think too.  Generally positive.  We would like to see more responses so we hope the members of hte committee will reply to draw out more response
13:09:53 * nb is on computer now
13:09:56 <bexelbie> ok to close robyduck or do you want us to hold for a backlog catchup?
13:10:03 * nb wonders if we could move this meeting 30 minutes later?
13:10:17 <nb> it happens right as i am traveling to work usually
13:10:41 <bexelbie> nb, why don't we wait on the new commops rep and then revisit?
13:11:48 <nb> bexelbie, ok
13:12:00 <bexelbie> other comments/concerns?
13:12:56 <bexelbie> ok
13:12:58 <bexelbie> I am really going to do it
13:12:58 <robyduck> sorry, connection issues
13:13:05 <bexelbie> watch me :D
13:13:06 <robyduck> I'm on a phone
13:13:10 <robyduck> no nothing else
13:13:12 <robyduck> thanks
13:13:12 <bexelbie> robyduck, it's ok
13:13:17 <bexelbie> thank you all
13:13:19 <bexelbie> #endmeeting