20:00:14 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:00:16 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:00:18 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:19 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:00:20 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:00:30 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:00:31 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:00:31 <stickster> \o/ It's Magazine time peeps!
20:00:48 <ryanlerch> sorry! bit slow this morning!
20:00:55 <ryanlerch> good evening stickster
20:01:01 <stickster> Good morning ryanlerch!
20:01:14 <stickster> coffee time for you I think :-)
20:01:25 <stickster> ZOMG 35 comments in backlog on Magazine!?!
20:01:35 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah on #1`
20:01:43 <ryanlerch> OMG
20:01:46 <ryanlerch> realy?
20:02:42 * stickster taking care of some of them as we speak :-)
20:02:57 <stickster> I wonder if x3mboy sub_pop cverna will be here
20:03:09 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:03:10 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:03:12 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch x3mboy sub_pop cverna
20:03:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop x3mboy
20:03:16 <stickster> o/ sub_pop!
20:03:17 <sub_pop> Thanks for the tag
20:04:12 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:05:08 <stickster> #info Week of Apr 23: 59.8K page views, way up from 45.5K previous week
20:05:19 <stickster> That doesn't count anything from this Monday or Tuesday, obviously.
20:05:39 <stickster> I can give you a peek that we already hit over 80K views this week.
20:06:13 <ryanlerch> stickster: :D
20:06:14 <sub_pop> Neat
20:06:38 <stickster> Unfortunately we didn't top our all time high of 43,140 views for a day yesterday.
20:07:17 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, not sure what f27 did there
20:07:33 <ryanlerch> 33K/day is closer to average for a release da
20:08:08 <ryanlerch> we also did dump all our articles as once, sadly too
20:08:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: I see what's wrong. There's no <--more--> in the announcement :-(
20:09:07 <ryanlerch> stickster: :D
20:09:12 <ryanlerch> :( even
20:09:21 * stickster wonders if he should edit it
20:09:34 <ryanlerch> stickster: i dont think it makes much of a difference
20:09:43 <ryanlerch> after the fact that is
20:09:53 <ryanlerch> it def makes a difference when posting
20:10:15 <ryanlerch> the emails pretty much get sent out instantly
20:10:25 <stickster> mattdm: ^ to keep in mind for future articles -- we should always use the <!--more--> content divider so that we pick up page views from all subscribers
20:10:29 <stickster> (potentially)
20:10:40 * ryanlerch wonders if we should write up a bulletpoint SOP for relasdes on the magazine
20:10:41 <stickster> My bet is that would have picked us up over the record.
20:10:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: YES!
20:11:07 <sub_pop> +1 on that
20:11:20 <stickster> #idea We need a bulletpoint SOP for release announcements on the Magazine
20:11:23 <sub_pop> So that we don't get the announcement draft in by the night before the release? ^_^
20:11:30 <stickster> sub_pop: that would be ideal, yeah ;-)
20:11:42 <stickster> because that <!-- more --> thing is something I would have edited in for sure
20:11:59 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: also, if we do, we can check the major things off in it
20:12:13 <sub_pop> I also noticed a preview link in some coverage on distrowatch
20:12:16 <ryanlerch> i.e. not linking to the upgrading or workstation article in them off the bat
20:12:44 <stickster> ryanlerch: right, that forced us to push the others ahead of time
20:12:51 <sub_pop> https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10195
20:13:02 <sub_pop> "F28 Workstation news" links to https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21072&preview=true&preview_id=21072
20:13:19 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: mmmm, interensting
20:13:38 <stickster> ryanlerch: sub_pop: That's because the preview link was in our announcement (until someone noticed and I fixed it)
20:13:57 <sub_pop> The link still works, fortunately, and redirects to the published URL
20:14:00 <mattdm> stickster: *nod* yeah I forgot
20:14:21 <sub_pop> But that might more likely be caught by a release process doc
20:14:35 <stickster> mattdm: Here's an action item for you -- talk to program manager and have "announcement draft is done in Magazie" as a Release Readiness item
20:14:40 <stickster> *magazine even
20:14:42 <ryanlerch> either way, having a checklist of gotchas here will help us at release time
20:14:50 <stickster> yep, that too
20:15:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: Let's set up a page on the magazine for it, even if it's a private one
20:15:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: agreed
20:15:44 <stickster> #action stickster open a page on the Magazine for release announcement checklist
20:16:12 <stickster> #action mattdm have announcement draft included in release-readiness checklist for GA (and Beta)
20:17:17 <stickster> ryanlerch: done
20:17:29 <ryanlerch> stickster++
20:17:32 <stickster> OK, anything else on last week / retrospective?
20:18:14 <ryanlerch> stickster: other than being workstation-heavy i think our coverage was pretty good
20:18:55 <stickster> *nod -- and response to the release has been good as well.
20:19:21 <stickster> Next time around I'd like more time to get the article schedule (and content) all checked and corrected before push time
20:19:27 <sub_pop> Workstation 4 life!
20:19:46 <stickster> But on the whole, a super satisfying release. If that's the only thing there is to poke at, that's pretty good :-)
20:20:25 <sub_pop> Could we do a follow-up article on the state of Modularity in F28? What is the state of Modularity in F28?
20:20:29 <ryanlerch> i'm also outof ways to crop the f28 background creatively
20:20:32 <ryanlerch> :D
20:21:00 <stickster> sub_pop: I could ask sgallagh or asamalik to do an article on that -- in asamalik's case, probably not able to do until week after next
20:21:06 <stickster> ryanlerch: lol
20:21:20 <stickster> "that is one big blurry lit-up fiber strand"
20:21:36 <stickster> #idea followup article on the state of Modularity in F28
20:21:39 <sub_pop> lol
20:21:48 <stickster> #action stickster see if sgallagh or asamalik can take on Modularity article
20:22:11 <stickster> #topic Admin note on publishing schedule
20:22:33 <stickster> I have a hard stop at :55 so we need to get things rolling with an agreed on schedule before then :-)
20:22:45 <stickster> Shall we move on to look at pending posts?
20:22:52 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:23:06 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
20:23:07 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
20:23:11 <stickster> #info --- buildah ---
20:23:22 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=20945&preview=1&_ppp=38519b6e26
20:23:45 <stickster> cverna: I believe you were editing this one -- and thank you for that! How's it coming along?
20:23:46 <sgallagh> stickster: sure, I can do that.
20:23:55 <stickster> \o/  lasso victory
20:24:54 <sub_pop> 👍
20:25:16 <stickster> Not sure if cverna is around. But from what I can see, I think he's done quite some editing on this!
20:26:14 <ryanlerch> cverna++
20:26:14 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for cverna changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:26:15 * stickster makes two quick tweaks and resaves
20:26:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: Can you give this one more quick-look, and schedule for tomorrow (er, tonight your time)?
20:26:47 <stickster> That's when we agreed last week to push it out, at least
20:26:56 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack!
20:27:07 <ryanlerch> does RH support buildah?
20:27:18 <ryanlerch> should we even include that line?
20:27:21 <stickster> I don't think "support" here is a good thing to say.
20:27:29 <stickster> I'd strike that sentence and be done with it.
20:28:04 <stickster> (I did that just now) :-)
20:28:16 <ryanlerch> stickster: willget this one out this evening!
20:28:35 <stickster> I think it may have meant, "Red Hat people dig buildah and work on it," but I don't think that's what we should be worried about in the Magazine
20:28:51 <stickster> or rather, that's not something we need to include in text
20:28:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: thanks!
20:29:09 <stickster> #action ryanlerch final tweaks on buildah and schedule for Thu 0800 UTC
20:29:39 <stickster> Here's the bad news. We have nothing for Friday.
20:30:09 <stickster> #topic The next 1.5 weeks
20:30:13 <langdon> iirc buildah and podman were both shipped with 7/5
20:30:20 <langdon> 7.5 rather
20:30:45 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ that might make more sense to say, if langdon can verify it
20:30:58 <stickster> is podman mentioned in that article?
20:31:03 * langdon runs to catch  a bus..
20:31:12 <langdon> podman wraps buildah and skopeo
20:31:38 <langdon> see the top of: https://github.com/dustymabe/summit-2018-container-lab/blob/master/labs/lab1/chapter1.md
20:31:38 <stickster> It's not mentioned, so we shouldn't add anything about it. Too confusing.
20:31:50 <langdon> but i have no context on the article
20:31:56 <stickster> langdon: don't sweat it.
20:31:59 <langdon> ill try to log back in from the bus
20:32:09 <stickster> Moving on, we have a schedule to fill :-)
20:32:41 <stickster> ryanlerch: sub_pop: I'm going to be out next week at Red Hat Summit. That means "virtually impossible get anything done" :-(
20:32:47 <stickster> er, s/get/to get/
20:32:50 <sub_pop> There was talk on the mailing list of a follow-up to the 3rd-party repos article. Is that something we can crank out?
20:33:22 <stickster> sub_pop: If you think you can, that might make a great entry for Friday.
20:33:41 <stickster> depends on the content
20:33:44 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: yeah, with more background?
20:34:05 <stickster> I'm leery of the Magazine turning into a lightning rod for zealots vs. pragmatists
20:34:07 <ryanlerch> i think some coverage on the reasoning was the idea?
20:34:32 <sub_pop> I don't remember the content of the discussion.
20:35:24 <stickster> if this was about promoting the draft content on 3rd party repos on the wiki, I guess we could do that? Although I think the vast majority of comments we got indicate our audience members weren't particularly fazed by it and were +1
20:35:54 <sub_pop> That might've been it, yea.
20:36:34 <stickster> I'm torn. I think it's great for us to be up front about our FOSS Stance. At the same time, I think posting that after the fact could look like a CYA/backpedaling move.
20:37:19 <sub_pop> Maybe just hold off on any additional 3rd-party repo coverage.
20:37:21 <stickster> I don't feel strongly about an article either way -- I'd be fine with having one if that's what folks feel is needed.
20:37:42 <sub_pop> I'm ambivalent too. The current article seemed pretty straight-foward to me.
20:38:02 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think it would be nice to focus on some different release stuff
20:38:12 <ryanlerch> i.e. the modularity post
20:38:19 <sub_pop> Anything around SilverBlue?
20:38:20 <stickster> OK, so let's set that aside -- what else could we do for Mon/Wed/Fri next week, and Monday of following week?
20:38:26 <ryanlerch> and maybe one on the Atomic post auto updates
20:38:55 <stickster> I don't know what sgallagh schedule looks like, whether he could do a draft in time for us to publish Monday -- so I tagged him just now to see :-)
20:38:56 <ryanlerch> dustymabe: ^ is that something you might be interested in at least quick drafting up
20:39:20 <stickster> Oh, I would *really* like to have something Atomic related for sure. esp. given we already pushed a F28 Workstation what's-new
20:39:44 <ryanlerch> i have a couple non-release ideas in the pipeline too
20:39:58 <stickster> ryanlerch: you had something on Audacity, right?
20:40:04 <ryanlerch> but those would be nice to keep for next week during summit
20:40:20 <sgallagh> stickster: The CI work I’m doing hit a wall a bout an hour ago, so I’ll have time tomorrow. Tell me what you want in the article and I can have something to review before Friday is out.
20:40:25 <stickster> funny thing is, I was just talking to a fellow podcaster who mentioned that exact thing! And he's not a 100% FOSS all the time guy, Audacity is just that popular
20:40:57 <ryanlerch> stickster: okies will do it
20:41:37 <dustymabe> stickster: we are planning a F28 Atomic Host Features article
20:41:41 <stickster> sgallagh: I think the overall gist is "status of Modularity in F28" -- so this might focus on both (1) things that are working in DNF/software management in F28 to support it, (2) what modules are offered now (if that's changed), and (3) pointers to how to make them, if appropriate
20:41:43 <dustymabe> sinny is going to write it
20:41:51 <ryanlerch> dustymabe: awesome
20:41:56 <stickster> dustymabe: awesome! ksinny++ dustymabe++
20:41:56 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for sinnykumari changed to 7 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:41:59 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for dustymabe changed to 5 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:41:59 <dustymabe> hopefully will be out early next week
20:41:59 <ryanlerch> that is exactly what we are after!
20:42:03 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY!
20:42:29 <stickster> dustymabe: Indeed, if we can get something by Monday night Ryan can edit it for Wed publication
20:42:43 <dustymabe> stickster: ok, will try to have it to you by then
20:42:53 <stickster> dustymabe: If before Wed night, we can schedule for Fri
20:43:06 <stickster> just have to cope with the TZ diff
20:43:07 <sgallagh> stickster: ok, I can do that. Mind adding that to my formal task backlog in the usual place? I’ll pick it up this evening or in the morning. Need to go collect my daughter from Girl Scouts in a few.
20:43:14 <stickster> sgallagh: sure thing!
20:43:19 <sgallagh> Thank you
20:44:14 <ryanlerch> so tentative schedule is Buildah Fri, Modules Mon, Atomic Wed
20:44:43 <ryanlerch> then Audacity friday
20:45:23 <ryanlerch> i can get audacity done the week, and have it ready o go if those other two arent done
20:45:41 <stickster> sgallagh: done!
20:45:58 <stickster> ryanlerch: That's starting to look like a plan :-)
20:46:21 <ryanlerch> maybe Modularity Monday is a new thing
20:46:28 <stickster> My follow-on CD tagging article is starting to look problematic because python-eyed3 hasn't been updated for Python 3 :-(
20:46:45 <stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1472490
20:46:58 <stickster> ryanlerch: lol
20:47:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: :(
20:48:03 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: i wonder if an overview / review of GNOME photos might work too
20:48:15 <ryanlerch> i mention it because you did hat awesome editing post
20:48:23 <sub_pop> Ah good point. It can do importing now, right?
20:48:28 <stickster> ooooohhh
20:48:30 <stickster> +10
20:48:31 <sub_pop> And it's the new default.
20:48:34 <ryanlerch> might be good to do a small artcile covering what gnome photos can do
20:48:43 <sub_pop> I'll see what I can turn out.
20:48:44 <ryanlerch> and it is release related
20:48:55 <ryanlerch> and then link to your editing post
20:49:00 <ryanlerch> :D
20:49:00 <sub_pop> Yep. Good idea ryanlerch.
20:49:15 <stickster> There's also a good article on F28 on a RPi 3B+ -- but it needs a bit of work, it's more like an ad for someone else's blog at the moment
20:49:18 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: it doesnt have to be huge, smaller is better i think
20:49:28 <ryanlerch> sub_pop++
20:49:28 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for linkdupont changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:49:39 <sub_pop> Yep. Minitutorials
20:49:40 <stickster> I think ksinny has a RPi 3B+ now and might be able to contribute on that draft article about F28 on RPi 3B+
20:49:48 <stickster> agreed, sub_pop++
20:49:48 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for linkdupont changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:49:59 <sub_pop> 🍪
20:50:09 <stickster> OK, so in the interest of time:
20:50:09 <ryanlerch> iimagine this weeks scedule is going to be fluidish
20:50:11 <ryanlerch> :D
20:50:23 <ryanlerch> i'll keep the list updated with changes
20:51:48 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule (with flexibility) -- Thu May 3: buildah -- Mon May 7: Modularity F28 -- Wed May 9: Atomic -- Fri May 11: GNOME Photos -- Mon May 14: Audacity or TBD
20:52:12 <stickster> ryanlerch: sub_pop: ^ seem OK?
20:52:26 <ryanlerch> stickster: awesome
20:52:29 <sub_pop> +1
20:52:30 <stickster> #agreed Publishing schedule (with flexibility) -- Thu May 3: buildah -- Mon May 7: Modularity F28 -- Wed May 9: Atomic -- Fri May 11: GNOME Photos -- Mon May 14: Audacity or TBD
20:52:40 <stickster> #topic Open floor (all other business)
20:52:51 <stickster> a few minutes left in case there's anything we didn't cover -- then I need to run!
20:52:57 <sub_pop> Have fun at Red Hat Summit!
20:53:24 <stickster> thanks sub_pop  :-)
20:53:57 <stickster> OK, thanks for coming everyone!
20:53:59 <stickster> #endmeeting