15:07:52 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:07:58 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:08:05 <rdieter> Hi, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today?
15:09:15 <pino|work> o/
15:10:02 <rdieter> may be a fast meeting
15:10:42 <tosky> o/
15:10:55 <rdieter> #info rdieter pino|work tosky present
15:10:59 <rdieter> hi
15:11:49 <rdieter> well, let's go
15:11:53 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:12:26 <rdieter> what to discuss today?  I've a few off top of my head:  when/if/how to bring qt-5.11/plasma-5.13 to f28
15:12:51 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
15:12:52 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com>
15:12:56 <rdieter> f29 tasks: spin minimizations (ie, dropping old/extra apps)
15:13:02 <rdieter> #info danofsatx present
15:13:09 <rdieter> #chair tosky pino|work danofsatx
15:13:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: danofsatx pino|work rdieter tosky
15:13:48 <rdieter> anything else?
15:15:06 <rdieter> #topic f28: qt-5.11/plasma-5.13
15:15:19 <danofsatx> I'm baaaaack
15:15:24 <rdieter> so rawhide has all the latest qt/plasma stuff for a little while
15:15:40 <rdieter> danofsatx: welcome
15:16:02 <rdieter> any thoughts/preferences whether to do qt-5.11 or plasma-5.13 first for f28?
15:16:39 <rdieter> (i've a slight preference for Qt first if possible, but iirc, there are still a couple blocker FTBFS bugs)
15:17:08 <rdieter> .bug 1584240
15:17:11 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1584240 – Qt 5.11 Tracker - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1584240
15:17:16 <rdieter> linked there ^^
15:19:14 <pino|work> rdieter: then go for plasma, should be easier, and (hopefully) less disruptive
15:19:58 <rdieter> yeah, more I think about it, that makes more sense
15:20:04 <tosky> yep
15:20:48 <pino|work> plasma is self-contained
15:21:33 <rdieter> ok, that was easy decision :)
15:22:19 <rdieter> moving on...
15:22:30 <rdieter> #topic f29 goals/tasks
15:23:13 <rdieter> one goal for f29 was thinning the spin a bit.  already did some work there, including dropping telepathy
15:24:08 <rdieter> there was more to do though, including getting qt4/kde4 libs off (dropping amarok should achieve that)
15:25:35 <rdieter> I'd initially waited to drop amarok until we had a consensus on replacement (juk had been proposed)
15:25:47 <rdieter> maybe I should just-do-it :)
15:26:12 <rdieter> (I'll bring it up onlist one more time)
15:28:04 <pino|work> what brings qt4/kde4 in, other than amarok?
15:28:16 * lupinix is present
15:28:38 * pino|work patpats lupinix
15:28:52 <rdieter> pino|work: I think amarok is all
15:29:15 <pino|work> (speaking about the default installation, of course)
15:29:23 <rdieter> can't remember if knode is installed by default, but if it is, that probably should go too then
15:29:40 <pino|work> yes, please drop knode too (niche software)
15:29:43 <lupinix> sorry, quassel server was down for some minutes, so i have no backlog… but: last time we discussed whether we replace amarok with juk for example
15:29:51 <lupinix> so i tested juk
15:29:59 <rdieter> lupinix: yes, juk is it
15:30:03 <lupinix> works quite well
15:30:24 <lupinix> not that much features but enough for basic usage
15:31:35 <tosky> it would be nice to have more stuff but we have a pressing request to cut the packages and that's not negotiable
15:34:06 <rdieter> while I'm looking at comps, I'll propose a few things for the next wave of cuts
15:34:44 <rdieter> consdierations include: krusader, another browser (maybe can go with one browser finally)
15:35:50 <rdieter> falkon may be good enough for a minimal spin (even though I still think most users will likely end up installing something else)
15:37:19 <rdieter> moving on...
15:37:22 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:37:30 <rdieter> anything else to mention before I close the meeting?
15:38:08 <gagbo> Why would Falkon not be good enough for now ? It seems pretty nice now (even though I miss my plugins)
15:38:42 <rdieter> gagbo: plugins and familiarity mostly is why I still think many/most? users will still want firefox
15:40:16 <rdieter> but falkon is likely "good enough"(tm) now to seriously consider sticking with for primary spin use
15:40:45 <lupinix> well, for lxqt spin i got quite positive feedback for falkon/qupzilla
15:41:01 <lupinix> but our users there prefere more lightweight stuff in general
15:41:05 <gagbo> I keep forgetting that live keys copies content directly ; what I was thinking is that for live user sessions, falkon is probably more than enough
15:41:06 <lupinix> *prefer
15:41:56 <gagbo> I would not go through getting all favorites/plugins back to firefox while in a live session. But maybe other people would prefer to test everything on key before committing to install
15:42:34 <lupinix> but then we would have to add chromium too with same argument… most fedora users here use that one now, not firefox
15:42:44 <lupinix> "here" = local at department
15:43:42 <lupinix> so IMHO basic, well integrated browser by default, users will choose the preferred one anyway
15:43:48 <rdieter> <nod>, can't be everything for everyone.  just need to be good enough base, then folks can add on top as they see fit
15:44:09 <rdieter> but that's a topic for another day
15:44:21 <rdieter> I think we're ready to have the conversation
15:44:38 <rdieter> anything else before I close the meeting?
15:44:54 <lupinix> nothing else here
15:46:19 <rdieter> ok, thanks everyone!
15:46:21 <rdieter> #endmeeting