12:35:10 <mleonova> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare
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12:35:42 <mleonova> let's do a roll call?
12:36:52 <mleonova> #topic roll call
12:36:59 <mleonova> .hello mleonova
12:36:59 * sumantro is here!
12:37:00 <zodbot> mleonova: mleonova 'Maria Leonova' <marialeonova.design@gmail.com>
12:37:12 <mleonova> heya sumantro
12:37:23 <sumantro> hey mleonova :)
12:37:41 <bexelbie> .hello bex
12:37:42 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
12:38:28 <mleonova> sumantro, ^^
12:38:42 <sumantro> .hello sumantrom
12:38:44 <zodbot> sumantro: sumantrom 'Sumantro Mukherjee' <sumukher@redhat.com>
12:39:34 <mleonova> so jaredsmith is coming, too?
12:41:43 * jsmith_ is late, sorry :-(
12:41:45 <mleonova> hey jsmith =)
12:41:47 <mleonova> np
12:41:59 <mleonova> we just did a roll call
12:42:04 <sumantro> hey jsmith_ :)
12:42:17 <jsmith_> :-)
12:42:20 <bexelbie> o/
12:43:31 <mleonova> so bexelbie what's the agenda
12:43:33 <bexelbie> Shall we walk the issues, oldest to newest?
12:43:41 <mleonova> cool =)
12:43:42 * bexelbie was traveling, so I don't know what was done while I was on the road
12:43:43 <jsmith_> WORKSFORME
12:44:05 <jsmith_> bexelbie: I was on the road as well, and as far as I know, not a lot has been accomplished :-(
12:44:05 <bexelbie> #topic #9 Mindshare Design issues
12:44:19 <bexelbie> mleonova, can you chair me?
12:44:22 <bexelbie> or do you want to drive?
12:44:33 <mleonova> #chair bexelbie
12:44:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie mleonova
12:44:43 <bexelbie> I am doing some cherry-picking for time
12:44:48 <bexelbie> so if I skip your favorite issue, let me know
12:44:49 <mleonova> I don't have a driver's license =)
12:44:51 <bexelbie> #topic #9 Mindshare Design issues
12:44:53 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/9
12:44:58 <bexelbie> neither do I at the moment :P
12:45:13 <bexelbie> this looks mostly resolved - any word on the logo?  I know it is lower proirity than my flock tickets :D
12:45:45 <mleonova> yeah, I think it's almost done
12:45:50 <jsmith_> bexelbie: ACK :-)
12:46:00 <bexelbie> cool
12:46:11 <mleonova> I just need to look at it with fresh eyes and see if I want to improve anything
12:46:18 <bexelbie> ok
12:46:21 <bexelbie> #topic #12 Explain the two mailing lists (mindshare and mindshare-announce) in the Docs
12:46:26 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/12
12:46:31 <bexelbie> I'll merge this PR and get this closed
12:46:34 <bexelbie> barring objections
12:47:29 <bexelbie> #topic #17 Mindshare monthly update for April
12:47:35 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/17
12:47:48 <bexelbie> I think we should close this.  I think we need to spend time focused on work before we write another update
12:47:51 <bexelbie> opinions?
12:47:52 <bexelbie> comments?
12:47:54 <bexelbie> feedback?
12:47:59 <jsmith_> I think this is one area we really need to improve on -- we *must* communicate if we want people to take us seriously.
12:48:25 <jsmith_> And I agree -- we have other important work -- but even if it's not a monthly/bi-monthly/quarterly update, we need to communicate more.
12:48:33 <bexelbie> +1 to more communication
12:48:41 <bexelbie> I am not sure we have anything to say if we don't get something done though
12:48:47 <bexelbie> do we have topics for an update?
12:48:54 <sumantro> +1 to more communication
12:49:04 <jsmith_> Frankly, we're in a situation where people still don't understand what Mindshare is supposed to be doing, and we're losing credibility fast...
12:49:25 <jsmith_> I'm re-committing myself to writing more
12:50:16 <bexelbie> do you have time to start a "what is mindshare?" draft? that way we could start by retelling that story in a way that hopefully helps it sink in
12:50:23 <bexelbie> I am thinking of the first 2 days of our FAD
12:50:28 <jsmith_> Sure...
12:50:37 * bexelbie doesn't have bandwidth to create with Flock coming, but I will edit
12:50:42 <bexelbie> or is that too basic?
12:50:54 <bexelbie> sumantro, is this something you could help with?
12:50:57 <jsmith_> I'll write up a draft.
12:51:00 <bexelbie> a fresh perspective here would be helpful
12:51:01 <sumantro> i can help with this
12:51:02 <jsmith_> Would love other help :-)
12:51:06 <jsmith_> Perfect :-)
12:51:24 <bexelbie> can one of you open a ticket for this update - and close the existing one as replaceD?
12:51:31 <jsmith_> Will do
12:51:38 <bexelbie> cool
12:51:41 <bexelbie> other conversation here?
12:52:09 <bexelbie> #20 Some Feedback on Mindshare Documentation
12:52:10 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/20
12:52:16 <bexelbie> #topic #20 Some Feedback on Mindshare Documentation
12:52:17 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/20
12:52:30 <bexelbie> These looks like good edits, I'll fold them in while merging that other PR, ok?
12:52:45 <jsmith_> ("What is Mindshare" draft is new ticket #29, fwiw)
12:53:01 <bexelbie> +1
12:53:21 <sumantro> +1
12:53:24 <jsmith_> +1
12:53:29 <mleonova_> +1
12:53:32 <bexelbie> cool
12:53:44 <bexelbie> #topic #24 Redirect Wiki page to our docs page
12:53:49 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/24
12:53:59 <bexelbie> I'll try to figure out this while I do the edits, ok?
12:54:04 <jsmith_> WORKSFORME
12:54:44 <bexelbie> not hearing further statemetns ...
12:54:48 <bexelbie> #topic #27 Fedora Women stickers to be included in swag packets
12:54:51 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/27
12:55:01 * bexelbie skipped 26 for a moment, as it relates to 28
12:55:31 <bexelbie> I don't see any action needed here.  I'll work through the budget alignment and ensure that centrally shipped swag has some stickers.  I'll work with kveta to do the same for EMEA swag
12:55:46 <jsmith_> Sounds good to me
12:55:54 <nb> hi
12:55:58 <bexelbie> o/ nb
12:56:05 <sumantro> hi nb!
12:56:35 <mleonova_> Hi nb!
12:56:37 <bexelbie> #topic #28 [FAmA] APAC needs one
12:56:38 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/28
12:56:46 <bexelbie> sumantro, can you expand on this? nb can you comment on this?
12:56:58 <nb> I don't think there has to be FAMA from every region
12:57:13 <nb> FAMA is meant to serve all the regions, not to be region-specific
12:58:03 <bexelbie> sumantro, is there service we need in APAC we aren't getting (keeping #26 in mind)
12:58:15 <sumantro> so I heard Sirko was FAMA once.. I had a notion that it was for all regions as the picture kinda explained that treasurer,bookeeper and storyteller will report to FAMA, I was under the impression there will be one for each region
12:58:27 <nb> sumantro, I do not believe sirko was ever fama
12:58:55 <nb> FAMA has historically been 1 person
12:59:03 <nb> recently it got made into me+robyduck
12:59:06 <nb> as I understand it
12:59:18 <bexelbie> so thinking about this from a moving forward perspective, do we have a need that is going unfilled?
12:59:27 <bexelbie> Do we need to modify FAMA to get what we need done today done?
13:00:26 * nb does not think so, but is interested to hear from sumantro
13:00:35 <sumantro> bex, while drafting the Amby process, I wanted to understand How will the advocates raise a request for money and if FAMA is handling then how will that work.
13:00:57 <bexelbie> sumantro, the advocates would open a ticket with mindshare, not fama
13:01:13 <bexelbie> fama is, aiui, an administrative body that handles memberships in groups and activity monitoring
13:01:51 <sumantro> no, who will administer the budget? mindshare or FAMA in a case where advocates raise the request?
13:01:58 <nb> sumantro, mindshare
13:02:18 <sumantro> nb thanks, got it.
13:02:48 <bexelbie> sumantro, what action should we take with this ticket?
13:03:01 <sumantro> and if an ex-amby wants to join back, will they raise the request to FAMA or mindshare?
13:03:09 <nb> sumantro, FAMA
13:03:13 <nb> FAMA handles membership
13:03:42 <sumantro> bex you can close that one. I am all sorted here. :)
13:03:45 <sumantro> nb thanks :)
13:04:36 <bexelbie> sumantro, you mind closing with a note about what we talked about here for posterity?
13:05:03 <sumantro> bex doing it right away!
13:05:06 <bexelbie> ty
13:05:09 <sumantro> np
13:05:14 <bexelbie> #topic #26 APAC + Mindshare - A way forward
13:05:17 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/26
13:05:26 <bexelbie> I saved this ticket for last as I think it represents our biggest open work
13:05:38 <bexelbie> writing up the process for approving events and the new advocate position
13:05:54 <bexelbie> APAC is having some challenges getting tickets through and is OK with us using their tickets to drive a practical process
13:06:14 <bexelbie> between now and Flock my time is limited, but it'd be great to see us round up our work and figure out where we stand on all of this
13:06:15 <bexelbie> wdyt?
13:06:34 <sumantro> bex, well, I have chalked out the requirements and we need to create a whole new bunch of wikis and pagure repos for budget and design and lot of stuff. I need help with design team for badges and someone who can review the draft by this week. The thoughts are in this google doc for the time being, and a rough sketch of the process[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gAZs7wz_BZjQKR7FQFQ0BxIefe0jvPkfaUCAomVC0Jw/edit]
13:07:20 <sumantro> I have time for drafting the Advocate this week and I think we should be good
13:07:42 <sumantro> I *will* need mleonova_ help on advocate badges
13:08:00 <bexelbie> sumantro, how about we start by reviewing the draft before we ask other teams for help or get repos created
13:08:09 <bexelbie> this way we ensure we are all on the same page and work isn't done unnecessarily
13:08:11 <mleonova_> Sure! Do you have a ticket open, sumantro ?
13:08:39 <sumantro> bexelbie, sure
13:08:47 * jsmith is looking at the Google doc
13:09:02 * jsmith has requested permissions to view the Google doc
13:09:14 <bexelbie> me too
13:09:19 <mleonova_> Me too
13:09:22 <sumantro> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gAZs7wz_BZjQKR7FQFQ0BxIefe0jvPkfaUCAomVC0Jw/edit?usp=sharing jsmith
13:09:28 * nb has requested permission
13:09:35 <sumantro> thats the public link
13:09:43 <bexelbie> can we get comment access?
13:10:02 <sumantro> bexelbie, you can edit :)
13:10:17 <bexelbie> cool
13:10:32 <bexelbie> I suggest we all try to spend the next week looking at this and make this our agenda item next week
13:10:53 <bexelbie> let's see if we can get to a point in two weeks where we could tackle real requests like that those in the apac queue
13:10:55 <bexelbie> wdyt?
13:11:12 <sumantro> +1
13:11:44 <mleonova_> +1
13:11:55 <bexelbie> I know we also just committed sumantro and jsmith to a new doc on "what is mindshare" so we may need to be liberal with the two weeks and stretch it out to Flock
13:11:56 <nb> +1
13:12:12 <jsmith> +1
13:12:13 <sumantro> mleonova_, no I will open a ticket asap
13:12:43 <mleonova_> sumantro: cool
13:13:22 <bexelbie> Any other tickets for today?  Otherwise, I have a hard stop in about 5 min as I have a call after this meeting.  That is unusual for me
13:13:36 * jsmith has nothing further
13:14:01 <mleonova_> I'm good
13:14:29 <sumantro> I m good too
13:14:36 <nb> yes
13:14:41 <nb> We should have a workshop at Flock
13:14:41 <bexelbie> thank you all.  ttyl
13:14:50 <mleonova_> Thank you!!
13:14:54 <bexelbie> mleonova++
13:14:55 <bexelbie> thank you for starting us off
13:14:58 * nb has submitted a placeholder proposal but we need to come up with topics
13:15:05 <bexelbie> yes
13:15:06 <bexelbie> we should nb
13:15:14 <bexelbie> can you put the ticket here for info
13:15:18 <nb> bexelbie, I filed a CFP ticket, but didn't really put much info in it
13:15:19 * nb looks
13:15:22 <bexelbie> and let's work on it next week too if the CFP accepts
13:15:30 <bexelbie> #topic Flock workshop
13:15:35 <bexelbie> nb to provide link :D
13:15:46 <nb> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/105
13:16:29 <bexelbie> #link https://pagure.io/flock/issue/105
13:16:58 <bexelbie> Can everyone update the ticket with whether you'll be at Flock to help us gauge value in the sprint?
13:17:08 <jsmith> Can do
13:17:14 <mleonova_> Yes
13:17:42 <sumantro> yes!
13:18:27 <bexelbie> cool
13:18:30 <bexelbie> nb anything to add here?
13:18:39 <sumantro> nothing much
13:19:00 * nb has nothing else to add
13:19:18 <bexelbie> ok, then I am going to close, ok?
13:20:25 <bexelbie> thank you all
13:20:27 <bexelbie> #endmeeting