20:00:08 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:00:10 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:00:13 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:15 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:00:16 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:00:27 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:00:28 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:00:45 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch cverna asamalik
20:00:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
20:00:51 * stickster waits to see who else arrives
20:00:51 <cverna> Hello
20:01:10 <asamalik> hello!
20:01:16 <asamalik> ./hello2
20:03:29 <stickster> ha
20:03:44 <ryanlerch> morning all!
20:03:46 * stickster also summons sdgathman x3mboy in case they want to hang out
20:03:47 <asamalik> zodbot doesn't recognize me as a person :(
20:03:57 <stickster> asamalik: try just '.hello2'
20:04:04 * asamalik feels touched
20:04:08 * asamalik now feels stupid
20:04:10 <asamalik> .hello2
20:04:11 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
20:04:13 <stickster> lol
20:04:16 <asamalik> thanks stickster !
20:04:57 <stickster> #topic Last week stats
20:05:48 <cverna> .beefymiracle
20:05:48 <zodbot> ALL HAIL THE BEEFY MIRACLE!! (The mustard indicates progress)
20:06:01 <stickster> #info Week of Sep 24: ~77.5K pageviews, WAY up -- and indeed, best September ever, ~297.4K pageviews, up 32.5% YoY from 2017
20:06:17 <ryanlerch> woooooo!
20:06:23 <ryanlerch> stats++
20:06:48 <cverna> really good week :)
20:06:51 <asamalik> cverna++ I didn't know that exists :D
20:07:17 <asamalik> and woot stats!
20:07:22 <cverna> asamalik: we had some fun with zodbot yesterday in #fedora-admin :P
20:07:25 <stickster> .fire asamalik
20:07:25 <zodbot> adamw fires asamalik
20:07:41 <stickster> hee hee
20:07:51 <asamalik> nooo my boss fired me :D
20:07:52 <adamw> .hire asamalik
20:07:52 <zodbot> adamw hires asamalik
20:07:58 <cverna> .help alias
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20:07:59 <stickster> adamw, you are fickle
20:08:05 <asamalik> lol
20:08:05 <adamw> i am that
20:08:12 <cverna> ha :P
20:08:20 <stickster> All right, anything else on stats before we move on?
20:08:30 * asamalik is learning!
20:08:42 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
20:08:45 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
20:08:58 <stickster> #info --- Classroom ---
20:09:00 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22752&preview=1&_ppp=ccac76beca
20:09:21 <stickster> Hey what do you know, we hired asamalik back just in time, since has to teach this classroom next week ;-)
20:09:56 <asamalik> hahaha
20:09:59 <asamalik> that's true
20:10:20 <stickster> #idea we should use this Classroom post for this Friday, since it's on a time fuse
20:10:26 <stickster> the classroom session is next week
20:10:44 <asamalik> yeah it's on Tuesday
20:10:46 <asamalik> +1 to the idea
20:11:09 <ryanlerch> +1
20:11:27 <cverna> +1
20:11:38 <stickster> #agreed Schedule Classroom post for Fri 2018-10-05
20:11:45 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
20:11:49 <ryanlerch> i'll do a new image for this one
20:11:53 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
20:12:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: cool, we've got some mileage out of the last one at this point, I guess :-)
20:14:14 <stickster> #info --- Steam/Proton ---
20:14:16 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22628&preview=1&_ppp=e57f6c23f3
20:14:20 <stickster> This looks like it's ready for editing!
20:15:33 * stickster makes a quick title change for better SEO
20:15:47 <stickster> Anyone want to take this one? If not, I'm up for it.
20:16:26 <stickster> I bet ryanlerch is making an image right now for classroom :-D
20:16:31 <stickster> #action stickster edit Steam/Proton article and provide image
20:16:37 * cverna won't have much time for it :(
20:16:46 <stickster> #info --- release-bot for PyPI + Fedora ---
20:16:58 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22780&preview=1&_ppp=0e445665ac
20:18:00 <cverna> ah that's cool
20:18:17 <stickster> So phracek was kind enough to provide this article. It skews somewhat toward Fedora packagers, i.e. the tone of the article somewhat assumes the reader packages already. I asked if he might be able to "bend" the article a bit to convince a Python developer to *become* a PyPI + Fedora packager
20:18:54 * asamalik was actually reading it sorry
20:19:06 <stickster> But that's just my opinion. What does everyone else think? I don't feel super strongly about it, and I'd rather have content than no content :-)
20:19:07 <asamalik> yeah it seems like it might be a good fit for the community blog?
20:19:43 <stickster> asamalik: as is, yeah.... but what if it was changed slightly to aim at a more general Python developer audience?
20:20:22 <cverna> I think some time is fine to have something a bit more focused to the community
20:20:44 <cverna> but yeah maybe we could turn to article for upstream looking to add their project to Fedora
20:21:16 <asamalik> maybe?
20:22:10 <stickster> How about this...
20:22:23 <asamalik> it looks like it talks about deploying the service?
20:23:09 <stickster> Hm, that seems even *less* general, and more about something to pitch to Fedora infrastructure
20:23:24 <cverna> I think there were some interest into deploying it in fedora infra
20:23:24 <stickster> or some other on-premise infrastructure to use
20:23:35 <asamalik> yeah it looks like it's not running everywhere, but it's about deploying your own service
20:23:47 <stickster> cverna: neat... I wouldn't see why not! but... seems very esoteric for our audience
20:23:51 <asamalik> *anywhere
20:24:10 <cverna> so community maybe ?
20:24:15 <cverna> blog*
20:24:33 <stickster> yeah, I think I have to agree
20:24:38 * asamalik votes for the community blog
20:24:50 <cverna> +1 community blog
20:25:25 <cverna> maybe once we have this service deployed in fedora infra we could have a more generic article on  how upstream project can use it
20:25:26 <ryanlerch> the only strecth here is to maybe have a smaller article on magazine telling users that python packages might update faster because of the release-bot tool
20:25:40 <ryanlerch> but that is a stretch a little bit for the mag
20:26:23 <ryanlerch> "heres how the tooling helps you, the python user / developer on Fedora"
20:26:28 <stickster> cverna: THAT would be awesome, +1
20:26:54 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, +1. That might be able to combine into cverna's article?
20:27:07 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:27:09 <stickster> that makes a more complete story for the reader
20:27:13 <asamalik> yeah that sounds good
20:27:32 <cverna> I ll see with phracek to do a RFR to have it run in our infra
20:27:43 <stickster> #idea have an article later explaining the new release-bot service and how upstream projects can use it, after it's deployed in Fedora infra
20:27:55 <stickster> .nick phracek
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20:28:00 <stickster> er
20:28:02 <stickster> #nick phracek
20:28:10 <stickster> #action cverna get with phracek to do an Infra RFR
20:29:36 <stickster> #info --- Hypersonic series ---
20:31:04 <stickster> Great news -- gnokii says he's finished these.
20:31:33 <stickster> I've moved them to Draft status
20:31:33 <cverna> yeah that's great :)
20:32:06 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:32:07 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:32:41 <asamalik> ah I like that article!
20:32:43 <stickster> it looks like some of them may have an "autosave" revision -- best to check that and make sure nothing's lost
20:32:50 <stickster> #chair sub_pop
20:32:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:34:03 <stickster> #idea Publish these Hypersonic articles on a weekly basis until done
20:34:10 <stickster> (once edited)
20:34:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good to me!
20:34:31 <asamalik> +1
20:34:51 <ryanlerch> not sure about "hypersonic"
20:35:13 <stickster> I know these are challenging because of the language barrier.  I have a blissfully quiet weekend coming and could edit the first one.
20:35:17 <ryanlerch> would "faster" or something similar be better
20:35:20 <cverna> +1
20:35:34 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, we could make the title less mysterious
20:35:51 <sub_pop> Oh, I though "hypersonic" was the name of the project/software.
20:35:56 <stickster> "Make your web pages faster, Part [N]:..."
20:36:08 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:36:32 <stickster> Or maybe, "Design faster web pages..." so it doesn't confuse people who might think we're going to explain how to make their browsers faster
20:36:33 <cverna> squeaky quick would work too ? :)
20:36:58 <stickster> squeaky clean?
20:37:13 <ryanlerch> stickster: even better!
20:37:31 <cverna> :) yes I like the design faster web pages
20:37:47 <stickster> #agreed retitle these hypersonic posts as "Design faster web pages"
20:38:05 <stickster> #agreed Publish the faster web pages articles as a weekly series
20:38:19 <stickster> #action stickster edit part 1
20:38:23 <stickster> #undo
20:38:24 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 20:38:19 : stickster edit part 1
20:38:31 <stickster> #action stickster edit faster web pages, part 1 article
20:40:12 <stickster> OK, I think we at least have a publishing schedule now :-)
20:40:34 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
20:40:55 <stickster> #info --- Challenge-response authN (from the list) ---
20:41:26 <sub_pop> +1
20:41:31 <stickster> This sounds fascinating, +1 -- it sounds a tad on the long side
20:41:45 <cverna> yes +1 too
20:41:48 <asamalik> +!
20:41:50 <asamalik> +1 even
20:41:51 <stickster> Actually, on second read -- maybe not so long. Seems workable!
20:42:08 <sub_pop> We could always split it into a 2-part series.
20:43:05 <ryanlerch> +1 from me!
20:43:33 <stickster> #agreed approved challenge-response post
20:43:40 <stickster> #action stickster email author/list to approve and go-for-it
20:44:08 <stickster> I think that's everything that was officially pending.
20:44:18 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
20:45:38 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri 2018-10-05: Classroom (ryanlerch: new image + schedule) -- Mon 2018-10-08: Steam/Proton (stickster) -- Wed 2018-10-10: Fast web pages Part 1 (stickster)
20:45:52 * stickster happens to have time this weekend and doesn't mind doing a couple things here :-)
20:46:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do an image for the other two as well
20:46:25 <cverna> +1
20:46:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: whichever you get done over the weekend is fine with me
20:46:56 <ryanlerch> the faster web pages already has one, but will likely need a new one
20:47:06 <ryanlerch> +1 to the schedule
20:47:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: agreed -- if you do that, I'll take the Steam one
20:47:30 <stickster> our "image design language," such as it is, has kind of moved on
20:48:23 <stickster> sub_pop: asamalik: ^ good with the above?
20:48:33 <sub_pop> Yea sorry +1
20:48:44 <asamalik> yes!
20:49:17 <stickster> #agreed Fri 2018-10-05: Classroom (ryanlerch: image + schedule) -- Mon 2018-10-08: Steam/Proton (stickster: edit + maybe image + schedule) -- Wed 2018-10-10: Fast web pages Part 1 (stickster: edit, ryanlerch: image + schedule)
20:49:37 <stickster> #topic All other business
20:49:48 <stickster> sub_pop: I think you had that email ready to go -- you now have addresses too I think
20:49:56 <sub_pop> Yes. I saw that. I'll send it tonight.
20:50:22 <stickster> I forgot to mention, I'll try to answer your questions too since I was around from roughly FC1 days (Nov '03)
20:50:39 <sub_pop> ok
20:50:49 * stickster clears floor and yields mic to whoever :-)
20:51:51 <stickster> ryanlerch: Hey, I just saw this: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-29-gnome-3-30-test-day-2018-10-05/
20:52:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: Did you want to reprint on the Magazine, or do a quick "newsie" clickbait post?
20:52:24 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack!
20:52:33 <sub_pop> Hm. What makes some Test Days Magazine material, while others are CommBlog material?
20:52:48 <stickster> sub_pop: I'm not sure why this went to comm-blog, tbh. We could have used it too :-)
20:53:05 <asamalik> yeah I think that would be great for the Magazine
20:53:06 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: we are trying to frame them as a "whats new with the thing"
20:53:07 <stickster> esp. since there are SOOOOO many users for this tech in the reader community
20:53:12 <ryanlerch> and, oh, hekp test
20:53:13 <stickster> ahhhh
20:53:21 <stickster> yeah, good point ryanlerch
20:53:35 <stickster> either way... we can probably help point attention there
20:54:18 <ryanlerch> if they are framed like this, IMHO every test day could be on the magazine
20:54:27 <stickster> ryanlerch: +1
20:54:50 <sub_pop> Yea that's a good approach.
20:54:53 <ryanlerch> stickster: will get that out today
20:55:12 <stickster> ryanlerch: I have a GREAT idea... what if someone did a comm-blog post to tell the community "how to get your Test Day article insta-approval for Magazine and a huge audience"
20:55:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: +100
20:55:46 <stickster> OK, it's not sliced bread. But not a bad idea either :-D
20:55:52 <sub_pop> I heard coverage of the Atomic Test Day on a podcast. I think because of our article.
20:56:02 <stickster> sub_pop: NICE!
20:56:38 <sub_pop> The timing of our publishing the article and the coverage on the podcast was conspicuously aligned.
20:57:18 <sub_pop> Or maybe it was the Silverblue test day. Either way, I think our content is getting picked up by more than just media web sites.
20:58:45 <stickster> That's GREAT when it happens. Marketing professionals usually aim for that kind of alignment, although clearly we are understaffed to make that a purposeful goal
20:59:18 <stickster> if anyone wants to pick up that comm-blog idea, please feel free to run with it :-)
20:59:28 <sub_pop> Serendipitous Marketing!
20:59:31 <stickster> ha
20:59:43 <stickster> exactly.  OK, anything else before we close up here?
20:59:49 <sub_pop> Nope!
20:59:50 <ryanlerch> nothing here
20:59:53 <stickster> gavel in 10
20:59:55 <cverna> Nope
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21:00:05 <stickster> #endmeeting