21:00:03 <asamalik> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:10 <asamalik> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:18 <asamalik> #topic Roll call
21:00:30 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
21:00:32 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
21:00:39 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna sub_pop asamalik
21:00:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
21:00:43 <asamalik> .hello2
21:00:44 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
21:01:02 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:01:03 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:01:15 <cverna> Hi o/
21:01:46 * asamalik waves
21:02:24 <asamalik> #topic Last week's stats
21:02:34 <asamalik> #info Week of October 29: > 162.4K pageviews -- 2.4 times more than last week, yay Fedora 28!
21:03:11 <cverna> \o/
21:03:14 <asamalik> Bonus: That's 7 % better than the week of April 30 featuring Fedora 27 release which had 151.3K pageviews
21:03:27 <asamalik> Bonus 2: The Fedora 28 release announcement is the 2nd most visited article ever with 159.5K pageviews (the first is Fedora 27 release announcement with 169.2K)
21:03:28 <cverna> we have passed the 3 M for this year
21:03:29 <sub_pop> That's wild. That's our highest week this year?
21:03:40 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:03:41 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:03:59 <stickster> It was not quite as good as release month for F28, *BUT* the thing to remember is that happened at beginning of the month, so the "long tail" hit just that month. Some of our reaction views are still coming now, in November vs. October
21:04:29 <stickster> I think if we total up the two weeks around F28 release, and the two weeks around F29 release, we're going to see a sizable increase.
21:04:31 <cverna> ryanlerch: o/
21:04:33 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think the release week stats were very similar
21:04:47 <stickster> Er, I meant month-to-month
21:06:13 <asamalik> ok cool
21:06:14 <stickster> In any case, things look really good from this POV :-)
21:06:17 <cverna> the 15 years article is doing great too so that adds some more traffic for November
21:06:22 <cverna> sub_pop++
21:06:33 <sub_pop> Yey
21:06:40 <stickster> Really nice work sub_pop :-)
21:06:46 <asamalik> cookies!
21:06:51 <stickster> sub_pop:++
21:06:55 <stickster> sub_pop++
21:06:55 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for linkdupont changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:06:57 <asamalik> sub_pop++
21:06:59 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for linkdupont changed to 5 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:07:00 <stickster> YAY COOKIES
21:07:06 <asamalik> #topic Pending review posts
21:07:10 <ryanlerch> sub_pop++
21:07:14 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
21:07:34 <asamalik> #info --- VScode Live Share plugin  ---
21:07:44 <asamalik> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22550&preview=true
21:07:50 <asamalik> any update on this one?
21:07:52 <cverna> I have some news on this one :)
21:08:30 <cverna> Live Share will most likely be open sourced once they hit version 1.0
21:08:49 <asamalik> yay!
21:08:50 <cverna> the current plugin is still kind of Beta
21:08:55 <sub_pop> Very neat.
21:09:06 <asamalik> cverna: how soon do you think that happens?
21:09:16 <cverna> so I ll update the article with this infos
21:09:31 <asamalik> and do we wanna wait or just go for it?
21:10:00 <cverna> asamalik: no idea :P, I have been chatting with a Live Share developer on twitter I can ask him
21:12:00 <cverna> I can add a Section at the end of the article to specify that this is still a beta version and the plugin will be open sourced once it is officially released
21:12:08 <sub_pop> This has huge potential for online classrooms.
21:12:15 <stickster> Based on last week's discussion, it may tip the scales over firmly to "go for it." We already agreed that we wanted info in the article that helps you use it point-to-point.
21:12:59 <stickster> With that, and the information that it is intended to open source shortly, I think it would be fair enough to cover. We cover other software that's non-FOSS, and there's nothing about this plugin that makes it unsuitable for users to run.
21:13:10 <stickster> i.e. no legal encumbrances
21:13:12 <asamalik> stickster +1
21:13:13 <asamalik> do we wanna vote?
21:13:19 <cverna> sub_pop: yeah, I think for on boarding on OSS project too like fedora-infra for example :)
21:13:57 <stickster> I think we also said the article should mention gobby05 which is FOSS but has other notable limitations
21:14:07 <stickster> That way we're not shutting down free alternatives
21:14:09 <asamalik> that's true
21:14:32 <ryanlerch> yeah i think go ahead, and we can do a newsy followup if and when they opensource it
21:14:42 <cverna> ok I ll work on adding these to the article
21:15:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: sound OK to you?
21:15:14 <stickster> Oh duh
21:15:19 <stickster> sorry, I can't read this evening :-P
21:15:23 <ryanlerch> stickster: :D
21:15:36 * ryanlerch is alert and going this morning
21:15:36 <stickster> I have no excuse, ryanlerch is only now getting his coffee
21:15:47 <ryanlerch> 1hr later than usual at 7am!
21:15:48 <asamalik> haha
21:16:09 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed we're going with publishing this article
21:16:11 <asamalik> #proposed #action cverna adds info about opensourcing and about an alternative gobby05 which is open source but has some limitations
21:16:22 <stickster> +1
21:16:29 <ryanlerch> does this one need an image?
21:16:37 * ryanlerch can be on the hook for that
21:16:47 <cverna> yes it does :)
21:16:58 <asamalik> #agreed we're going with publishing this article
21:16:59 <stickster> +1 on both, btw
21:17:04 <asamalik> #action cverna adds info about opensourcing and about an alternative gobby05 which is open source but has some limitations
21:17:14 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for VS Code live plugin article
21:17:28 <asamalik> stickster: that, thanks!
21:17:40 <asamalik> ok! next one
21:17:49 * stickster only used his tiny helper gavel and puts it back in his pocket ;-)
21:17:58 <asamalik> #info --- How Do You Appreciate Fedora? ---
21:18:08 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23098&preview=true
21:18:14 <stickster> has anyone else looked at this article yet?
21:18:23 * asamalik for example appreciates stickster's help with the #action! :D
21:18:50 * asamalik haven't looked at it, yet
21:18:59 * stickster loves the content -- it's super inspiring and really community friendly. I think it needs a narrative around the many great quotations to make it a strong article.
21:19:24 <cverna> yeah the content is great
21:20:01 <asamalik> stickster: +1
21:20:13 <stickster> Like, finding common threads in the various quotes, and then pulling those into distinct sections or at least some context. For example: "Many contributors were drawn to Fedora because of its strong value on a friendly comunity. $PERSON says, '.....'..."
21:20:41 <asamalik> I really like that idea
21:20:42 <ryanlerch> stickster: agreed!
21:21:26 <asamalik> so we should probably action someone to ask the author to do that, right? :)
21:21:54 <stickster> Yes, unless an editor wants to try and pull that together as a co-author
21:22:07 <stickster> or anyone else in the listening audience who can deliver it soon ;-)
21:22:13 <cverna> it would be nice to push this article this week tho, since it is focused around the Fedora Appreciation Week
21:22:22 <asamalik> cverna +1
21:23:44 * stickster won't have time to do it between now and Friday, sorry to say :-(
21:24:05 <sub_pop> cprofitt: ping ^
21:24:05 <zodbot> sub_pop: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings
21:24:07 <stickster> which sucks because I love the article and want to help
21:24:18 <stickster> zodbot: eat my shorts
21:24:23 <stickster> :-D
21:24:30 <sub_pop> zodbot: >:-[
21:24:30 <zodbot> sub_pop: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
21:24:37 <sub_pop> rofl what
21:24:40 <stickster> HAHAHAHAHA
21:24:41 <asamalik> zodbot: you know we all love you
21:24:59 <sub_pop> zodbot: Are you susceptible to argument injection?
21:25:33 <stickster> asamalik: I can ping cprofitt in #fedora-magazine to see if he has time to take a swipe at this. But we'll run out of time this week if not
21:26:54 <asamalik> stickster: that would be great! I can try to help as well, I really like the article
21:27:10 <stickster> Oh wait!
21:27:22 <stickster> I just noticed something. Which is that every section points to another HDYF article we've done
21:27:30 <stickster> I think that *IS* supposed to be the context! I get it
21:27:58 * stickster *can* get this article ready. It's not as big a job as I thought.
21:28:04 <stickster> hit me with #action asamalik
21:28:06 <asamalik> ah! I wouldn't notice that!
21:28:14 <asamalik> ha ok!
21:28:17 <asamalik> stickster++
21:28:29 <sub_pop> I feel like the structure is inverted. Rather than each section covering each person, I feel like it should be each person, with each section inside it.
21:29:03 <asamalik> #action stickster will make the article ready for Friday
21:29:35 <asamalik> OK that's all for drafts
21:29:48 <asamalik> no, pending reviews :)
21:30:02 <asamalik> #topic Drafts to review
21:30:08 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:30:13 <sub_pop> So instead of { 'top_moment': ['maria', 'michael', 'julita'], 'wallpaper': ['maria', 'michael', 'julita']} it should be { 'maria': ['top_moment', 'wallpaper',]}
21:30:19 <sub_pop> sorry; that too forever to type
21:30:50 <asamalik> sub_pop: haha you should have used YAML :P
21:30:52 * asamalik hides
21:31:11 <asamalik> I like your idea!
21:31:12 <sub_pop> yaml doesn't condense to a single line like my pseudo-JSON does.
21:31:13 <stickster> sub_pop: I think that might work better, yeah.
21:32:49 <stickster> I think we said last time the NEST one was ready to go, but I think we missed the date -- cverna was going to edit and may not have got the chance
21:32:54 <asamalik> #info --- modelling brains with NEST ---
21:32:57 <asamalik> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22859&preview=true
21:33:13 <cverna> I did the edit on it I think :P
21:33:17 <stickster> Ah!!
21:33:27 <cverna> yes I did
21:33:40 <ryanlerch> i can update the image for this one!
21:33:44 <cverna> but it needs a image
21:33:46 <stickster> Ah! I see what happened, I left it off the publishing schedule, a complete mistake
21:33:49 <stickster> stickster--
21:34:15 <stickster> No reason this couldn't go out next week
21:34:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: eating cookies?
21:34:43 <asamalik> #agreed ready to go out next week
21:34:52 <asamalik> ryanlerch: lol
21:35:23 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch to update image for the modelling brains with NEST article
21:35:51 * asamalik just realized he should be specific with agreed and action because zodbot generates a list without the topics!
21:36:40 <stickster> ;-)
21:37:05 <asamalik> have we talked about this one? https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22927&preview=true
21:37:15 <stickster> So that makes... three things that should be good to go so far. Just keeping count.
21:37:57 <sub_pop> asamalik: :( that's my failed People article. I ran out of spare time and energy :(
21:38:16 <asamalik> stickster: that's actually not a bad idea to do :)
21:38:51 <asamalik> sub_pop: ah ok :(
21:39:38 <asamalik> I think that's all drafts, right?
21:40:10 <cverna> sub_pop: do you think you will want to finish it ? even if we publish it in a while ? I think it would be a nice article
21:40:37 <stickster> asamalik: That's everything new or on deck, I think. We may want to move the unsolicited 'll' article to trash or holding bin.
21:40:50 <sub_pop> I could possibly. It feels like cprofitt's How Do You Appreciate Fedora did it better though.
21:41:23 <stickster> sub_pop: I might steal your intro, and then credit you as a co-author, if you're OK with that.
21:41:30 <cverna> ah that's true that these are quiet similar
21:41:32 <ryanlerch> + for ll to holding pen
21:41:42 <sub_pop> stickster: that's totally fine with me.
21:42:08 <cverna> +1 for ll to holding pen
21:42:16 <stickster> It's a strong lead-in, would make Charles' article even stronger
21:42:25 <asamalik> stickster: I like that idea!
21:42:36 * stickster will do it!
21:43:04 <sub_pop> Yea, that's very true.
21:43:29 <asamalik> excellent!
21:43:58 <stickster> WOW there's a lot of pitches
21:44:08 <asamalik> #topic Pitches to approve
21:44:50 <asamalik> #info --- How to Build a Netboot Server ---
21:44:51 <stickster> One note here... the ffmpeg article is definitely off-the-reservation... it's patent encumbered, and that's not the same as non-free. We can't really run that one.
21:45:02 <stickster> oops, jumped ahead. /me shuts up
21:45:04 <asamalik> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23143&preview=true
21:45:08 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23143&preview=true
21:45:37 <asamalik> stickster: haha sorry I started at the top.. that one's next!
21:45:58 <stickster> nope, you're good, I was being a dope
21:46:00 <cverna> +1 to Netboot
21:46:08 <asamalik> +1
21:46:11 * stickster is +1 on this article! REALLY well described. I wish all pitches were this complete!
21:46:12 <sub_pop> Yea, I'm +1 here too.
21:47:00 <asamalik> #agreed pitch How to Build a Netboot Server approved!
21:47:18 <ryanlerch> +1 from me too
21:47:37 * stickster can take #action to email author
21:47:46 <asamalik> ah right!
21:48:04 <asamalik> #action stickster to email an author of the How to Build a Netboot Server
21:48:16 <asamalik> #info --- Unleash the power of FFmpeg – part one ---
21:48:23 <asamalik> thanks stickster !
21:48:33 <ryanlerch> -1 on this one
21:48:34 <cverna> -1 after what stickster said
21:48:37 <cverna> :P
21:48:49 <ryanlerch> we havea  precedent here at the magazine
21:49:09 <asamalik> -1 based on what stickster said
21:49:11 <ryanlerch> non-free is fine, obviously patent encumbered stuff is sadly not
21:49:23 <stickster> Yeah -1 on this unfortunately.
21:50:20 <asamalik> #agreed the ffmpeg article is definitely off-the-reservation... it's patent encumbered, and that's not the same as non-free. We can't really run that one
21:50:30 * asamalik just steals other people's messages
21:50:37 <sub_pop> >_<
21:51:02 <stickster> hee hee
21:51:28 <asamalik> #action asamalik to email the author of the ffmpeg article + the list
21:51:45 <asamalik> that's all from wordpress
21:53:01 * asamalik can't see any more pitches
21:53:16 <cverna> I don't think we had anything on the lists
21:53:16 <ryanlerch> on to the schedule?