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21:00:18 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:20 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:21 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:24 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:00:25 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:00:29 <mattnix> .hello mattnix
21:00:30 <zodbot> mattnix: mattnix 'Matt Harwood' <matt@mattharwood.com>
21:00:33 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch cverna mattnix
21:00:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna mattnix ryanlerch stickster
21:00:56 <sub_pop[m]> .hello linkdupont
21:00:57 <zodbot> sub_pop[m]: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
21:01:02 <stickster> #chair sub_pop[m]
21:01:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna mattnix ryanlerch stickster sub_pop[m]
21:01:11 <stickster> o/  Howdy everyone. Adam sends regrets, not feeling well. I'll chair tonight
21:01:15 <sub_pop[m]> I hope I can pay attention today.
21:01:22 <stickster> er, this morning if you're in the Upside Down   ;-P
21:01:37 <stickster> Or is that *us*?!?
21:01:47 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
21:02:15 <stickster> #info Week of Nov 26: Just over 80K page views, excellent!
21:02:24 <ryanlerch> stickster: https://i.redd.it/a4ugvipxivd11.jpg
21:02:51 <stickster> #info Month of Nov 2018: Just over 400.5K pageviews, *almost* a new record -- missed it by only 51 views!
21:03:10 <mattnix> Wow! So close
21:03:17 <ryanlerch> stickster: boo! awesome stats though anyways!
21:03:23 <stickster> We are well on our way to over 3.5M pageviews for 2018 though
21:03:30 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ was that our goal?
21:03:42 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes it was!
21:03:50 <ryanlerch> 4mill was the stretch goal
21:04:00 <ryanlerch> i think 4 is doable next year
21:04:03 * stickster too
21:04:31 <stickster> 🎊 🎉 🎆
21:04:33 <cverna> yeah 4mill would be great :)
21:04:53 <stickster> So let's dive into posts, see what the queue is like
21:05:12 <ryanlerch> we actually
21:05:25 <ryanlerch> averaged more per day in November
21:05:44 <ryanlerch> than the previous record month of may earlier this year
21:05:57 <stickster> Nice :-)
21:06:04 * ryanlerch is done now
21:06:06 <ryanlerch> sorry
21:06:14 <stickster> If November hath 31 days, we'd have made it
21:06:27 <stickster> nope, all good
21:06:32 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
21:06:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:06:45 <stickster> mattnix: Are you logged in on the Magazine site?
21:06:57 <mattnix> stickster: I am, yes
21:07:03 <stickster> ^ that link will work better if so. If you're not, or having trouble, yell at us :-)
21:07:20 <stickster> #info --- Netboot part 2 and 3 ---
21:07:40 <mattnix> Thanks very much :)
21:07:44 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23320&preview=1&_ppp=745bf4edde
21:07:52 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23341&preview=1&_ppp=bd772ff466
21:08:20 <stickster> gregbartholomew said these are ready to go. He's been through them with a fine toothed comb to make sure commands are all there/working
21:08:49 <ryanlerch> fantastic!
21:08:51 <gregbartholomew> Yes, functionally, they should be good to go.
21:08:53 * stickster happy to edit these, the writing is good and easy to work with
21:08:58 <ryanlerch> gregbartholomew++
21:09:13 <mattnix> such great articles!
21:09:18 <mattnix> so in-depth
21:09:21 <stickster> #proposed #action stickster edit rest of the netboot articles
21:09:22 <ryanlerch> i can do up the images for them!
21:09:38 * stickster +1 on #proposed, obviously
21:09:46 <gregbartholomew> i have 1 request -- i'd like the permalink to stay consistent with the first article so that the reader can just change the number at the end to navigate between them.
21:09:55 <stickster> gregbartholomew: excellent point, we'll do that
21:10:11 <ryanlerch> +1 on #proposed from me too
21:10:23 <mattnix> +1 too, if I get one
21:10:28 <stickster> of course!
21:10:33 <mattnix> hehe :)
21:10:35 <cverna> +1
21:10:38 <stickster> #action stickster edit rest of the netboot articles
21:11:02 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do images for netboot articles 2 + 3
21:11:24 <stickster> I didn't think anyone would fight ryanlerch over the artwork, but if so... hug it out now!
21:11:31 <ryanlerch> :D
21:12:10 <stickster> #info --- Fedora Jam Labs ---
21:12:21 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23675&preview=1&_ppp=2b51eff6e7
21:12:44 <stickster> This is more like a pitch than a draft. But there's not much more in true draft form to look at, so we might as well review/vote on this one
21:13:14 * stickster is +1, would be nice to see some music stuff represented :-)
21:13:21 <cverna> Sounds like a good idea +1
21:14:32 <stickster> anyone else? ryanlerch mattnix gregbartholomew
21:14:39 <ryanlerch> +1
21:14:48 <mattnix> +1
21:15:02 <gregbartholomew> sorry, do i need to vote?
21:15:49 <stickster> not if you don't want
21:15:54 <cverna> you don't need to but you sure can :)
21:16:24 <stickster> #agreed Pitch on Fedora Jam Labs approved
21:16:27 <stickster> #action stickster email author with approval and ask for draft
21:16:29 <gregbartholomew> i think i'll leave the decisions to the editors, i just came to comment on the netboot articles.
21:16:33 <stickster> no worries
21:16:44 * stickster presses onward
21:17:14 <stickster> #info --- Cloud native apps ---
21:17:18 <stickster> cverna: anything to report here?
21:17:31 <cverna> nope I need to start working on it
21:17:55 <stickster> OK, fair enough. You know where to find us ;-)
21:17:59 <cverna> I think it will be more for the beginning of next year
21:18:22 <stickster> *nod, understood. It would be great to have something like that fresh off the holidays
21:18:30 <stickster> #info --- Dash to dock extension ---
21:18:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ this one is your proposal IIRC
21:18:49 <stickster> oops
21:18:50 <stickster> #undo
21:18:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 21:18:30 : --- Dash to dock extension ---
21:18:52 <ryanlerch> yeah, nothing to report on this one
21:19:01 <stickster> #info cverna will work on cloud native apps series for New Year
21:19:05 <stickster> #info --- Dash to dock extension ---
21:19:19 <ryanlerch> i can get it done for when it is scheduled
21:19:20 <stickster> ryanlerch: maybe this is something you could do for next week or the break?
21:19:38 <ryanlerch> yeah, i can get this one done for next week
21:19:40 <stickster> Oh, did this have a date attached already? My bad, I probably didn't remember from last meeting or two.
21:20:11 <stickster> ryanlerch: sounds good
21:20:27 <stickster> #action ryanlerch write dash to dock extension article for week of Dec 10
21:20:53 <stickster> #topic More pitches to approve
21:22:13 <stickster> #info --- ls command ---
21:23:06 <stickster> this pitch wasn't approved but is a whole draft already... I see the author writing more on it right now. I feel like we should intervene, reset expectations, and get them working on a more useful post.
21:23:49 <stickster> ^ thoughts?
21:24:20 <mattnix> why would a post on ls not be useful out of interest?
21:24:21 <cverna> wasn't this, the copied from another article
21:24:28 <cverna> pitch*
21:25:01 <ryanlerch> cverna :( https://linuxconfig.org/learning-linux-commands-ls
21:25:27 <cverna> yeah, I think we looked at this one last week
21:25:31 <stickster> mattnix: We try not to do these on the basis of "here's a command" as opposed to "here is a task the user wants to complete."
21:26:01 <stickster> Otherwise we end up just reproducing info from man pages, or explaining esoterica about the shell (which this article kinda does)
21:26:01 <mattnix> stickster: gotcha, thanks
21:26:24 <ryanlerch> -1 from me, since this appears to be a copy pasta verbatim (well sections of it) from another site
21:26:35 <stickster> Just to note... I emailed the author about it, they responded, agreed to get in touch with us on the Magazine list, and then didn't. Now they're writing again here.
21:27:11 <ryanlerch> hmmm
21:27:27 <stickster> ryanlerch: sorry to hear that... unfortunately, not the first time. I feel like we should block the author until they get in touch with us as promised. Then we can get them on the right track for an original article with some value
21:27:45 <ryanlerch> sorry stickster, missed the comment earlier about resetting expectations
21:27:55 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think that is the best course of action here
21:28:11 <stickster> ^ is this too harsh? I feel like after a few emails, it was *super* clear that we wanted them to contact us so we could dialogue and get them involved on something cool
21:28:40 * stickster uses colloquial "they/them" since I have no idea about author's identity here
21:29:41 <ryanlerch> stickster: no ot's not harsh IMHO
21:30:09 <cverna> yep it will save them time too
21:30:42 <cverna> no need to waste time writing something that we are unlikely to publish
21:30:55 <stickster> OK
21:31:16 <stickster> #action stickster move suraj522 access to 'subscriber' and email again to ask them to get in touch on list
21:31:55 <stickster> #info --- testing Fedora package ---
21:32:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23629&preview=1&_ppp=f66c5a5a37
21:32:17 <stickster> I think this is the post we've been talking with Aleksandra about on-list, right?
21:32:31 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes i think so!
21:32:49 <cverna> yes
21:32:55 <stickster> OK, we're resolving that on the list still... so we can move on here for the moment
21:33:20 <stickster> #info --- Netboot part 4 ---
21:33:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23605&preview=1&_ppp=d0e5b0e52e
21:33:43 <stickster> WOW! Another chapter in the ongoing adventures of gregbartholomew... LOVE IT!
21:33:47 <ryanlerch> +1 from me
21:34:10 <stickster> HOW CAN WE NOT +1
21:34:11 <gregbartholomew> Thanks guys, glad that you are liking them.
21:34:22 <stickster> "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?"
21:34:23 <cverna> +1 :)
21:34:23 <mattnix> obvious +1
21:34:56 <gregbartholomew> This one might take me a bit longer -- I have some other end-of-semester stuff on my plate right now.
21:35:13 <stickster> Oh well in that case we're dumping you, never mind.
21:35:17 <stickster> KIDDING
21:35:20 <gregbartholomew> hehe
21:35:56 <stickster> #agreed netboot part 4 is definitely approved, author will provide draft a little later
21:36:36 <gregbartholomew> If you are approving part 4, would it be good to add a reference in part three to let the reader know that 3 isn't the end of the series (as was done with the earlier ones)?
21:36:50 <stickster> #info --- How to share folder access ---
21:36:52 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23584&preview=1&_ppp=809d514055
21:37:20 <cverna> gregbartholomew: yes that sounds like a good idea
21:37:40 <stickster> gregbartholomew: Usually we don't, just in case life happens and part 4 ends up being a wash
21:37:53 <stickster> not that we don't have faith, but life is unpredictable like that
21:38:13 <stickster> with 1/2/3 they were already written so it was not really an issue
21:38:14 <gregbartholomew> i'll leave that for a later revision then
21:38:34 <cverna> ha that make senses
21:38:42 <gregbartholomew> ok, it's up to you.
21:38:51 <cverna> makes sense*
21:39:01 <stickster> gregbartholomew: one thing we *can* and probably *should* do is to label them as a series when part 3 is published. Then we'd do the same with part 4. That way, the series articles can be accessed from any individual part
21:39:24 <stickster> Here's an example: https://fedoramagazine.org/systemd-masking-units/
21:39:53 <stickster> Ooo, I see a bug ryanlerch... note the lack of space between '#.' and the titles in the series thumbnails
21:40:01 <gregbartholomew> stickster: sounds great, i don't know how to apply the label though, so i'll leave it to you. :)
21:40:10 <stickster> we can do it gregbartholomew, no worries
21:40:22 <ryanlerch> stickster: thanks! will fix!
21:40:30 * cverna did not know about this feature, it is cool :)
21:41:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: sent you a PR :-)
21:42:03 <ryanlerch> oh, a post about the systemd series might be a good filler for the holiday period too
21:42:12 <stickster> #agreed let's label the netboot series once part 3 is published
21:42:22 <stickster> #agreed let's also label netboot part 4 so it's seen in the series too
21:42:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: :-D  YES!!!
21:42:40 <stickster> mattnix: do you know anything about systemd?
21:43:00 <mattnix> Nothing of note I'm afraid
21:43:10 <mattnix> Still think in init.d ;)
21:43:21 <stickster> OK, no worries :-)
21:43:36 <stickster> mattnix: How are you at technical/grammar editing?
21:43:52 * stickster wants to make sure you don't have to leave empty handed ;-)
21:44:13 <mattnix> stickster: I would say quite good, grammar/spelling would be British English though :)
21:44:51 <cverna> still better than French English :P in my case
21:44:53 <mattnix> I'm happy to help in any way! I can't promise an article in the next week or too, but definitely assign me a little something :)
21:45:11 <mattnix> *two .... gah, great start!
21:45:11 <ryanlerch> mattnix: :) -- i try to sneak in en_CW whereever i can ;)
21:45:26 <stickster> mattnix: There are only minor things to remember for en-US, obviously. We have to be all special about how we anglicize. (get it?)
21:45:32 <mattnix> ryanlerch: heh ;)
21:45:44 <mattnix> stickster: urgh, that damned z....
21:45:47 <stickster> hee hee
21:45:47 <mattnix> ;)
21:45:58 * stickster has learned to say "zed" for clarity
21:46:25 <stickster> mattnix: we'll find something for you here. Maybe you can do an edit on netboot part 4 when it's ready
21:46:33 <stickster> we're happy to have you aboard ;_)
21:46:45 <stickster> oops, nose wasn't supposed to be out of joint:   ;-)
21:46:51 <mattnix> stickster: sure! sounds good! I was here before, wrote a couple of articles 2 or so years ago :)
21:48:07 <stickster> AH YES! I thought I recalled that nick
21:48:28 <stickster> Oh, did we vote on the pitch on shared folders (permissions)?
21:48:45 <stickster> it's waaaaaaay above about 30-40 lines
21:48:45 <ryanlerch> stickster: i dont think so
21:49:18 <stickster> if we get that approved, I can write it for next week.
21:49:22 <ryanlerch> +1
21:49:59 <mattnix> +1
21:50:09 <cverna> +1
21:50:13 <stickster> #agreed pitch for permissions article is approved
21:50:15 <stickster> #action stickster write and do image for permissions article
21:50:26 <stickster> #topic --- Publishing schedule ---
21:51:25 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Dec 7: Netboot part 2 (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) -- Mon Dec 10: Dash to dock extension (edit/image: ryanlerch) -- Wed Dec 12: Permissions article (edit/image: stickster) -- Fri Dec 14: TBA (asamalik)
21:51:44 <stickster> (adam agreed to take something on as penance for missing tonight) :-)
21:52:01 <stickster> +1 here, obviously
21:52:04 <cverna> asamalik++ :)
21:52:07 <cverna> +1 too
21:52:16 <ryanlerch> +1
21:52:21 <ryanlerch> asamalik++
21:52:35 <stickster> #agreed Fri Dec 7: Netboot part 2 (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) -- Mon Dec 10: Dash to dock extension (edit/image: ryanlerch) -- Wed Dec 12: Permissions article (edit/image: stickster) -- Fri Dec 14: TBA (asamalik)
21:52:42 <stickster> #topic All other business / Open floor
21:52:49 <stickster> So we need to figure out a few things to do for holidays
21:53:05 <stickster> There's a thread on the list but time is getting short so I wanted to ask for some brainstorming here
21:53:29 <gregbartholomew> You are asking for article ideas?
21:54:05 <stickster> gregbartholomew: indeed, but especially ideas with someone behind them to write
21:54:08 <stickster> they don't have to be lengthy
21:54:37 <mattnix> Any prominent software about to release an update that could be talked about maybe?
21:54:51 <gregbartholomew> I do have an idea for a shorter article -- "The Power of the Bash Shell"
21:54:54 <ryanlerch> in the past, we have done "best of the year posts"
21:54:56 <mattnix> Top viewed posts of the year?
21:55:03 <mattnix> ryanlerch: great minds etc. :)
21:55:04 <ryanlerch> or re-published other posts
21:55:24 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/best-2017-articles-desktop-users/
21:55:32 <cverna> we had a few articles about programming languages C#, JAVA, SWIFT etc
21:55:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: mattnix: ah, that's a good idea... mattnix, here's something you could do -- use the WP site stats to find the most popular articles, then report those to the list in our thread
21:55:42 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/best-2017-articles-system-administrators/
21:55:54 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/best-2017-command-line-terminal-articles/
21:56:02 <mattnix> stickster: deal!
21:56:04 * stickster likes where this is going
21:56:05 <ryanlerch> those were the three we did last year / this year
21:56:21 <stickster> gregbartholomew: not bad, but can you get to maybe a specific use case?
21:56:35 <stickster> netboot has a bunch of those behind it -- i.e. "here's what the user wants to do, here's how to do it"
21:57:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: I like the idea of doing that again... and it almost writes itself. So maybe mattnix, asamalik, others would be down to write them (using 2017 as a guidepost)
21:57:28 <cverna> something with all the fedora podcasts articles ?
21:57:47 <stickster> cverna: That's not a bad idea either. Is that still ongoing?
21:57:50 <gregbartholomew> It's just a rough idea at this point; was thinking about telling the reader how to disable software flow control to allow bash's incremental search functionality to work properly.
21:57:54 <stickster> I haven't seen an episode in quite a while
21:58:08 <cverna> stickster: yep not sure, need to ask x3mboy_
21:58:42 <stickster> gregbartholomew: hrm. Maybe you could combine that with 2-3 other tips and have a "[N] tips for a better Bash experience" article
21:59:23 <stickster> Those are usually easy to write as well, and they tend to do VERY well in readership
21:59:41 <gregbartholomew> I'll see what I can come up with; probably won't get to anything anytime soon though, sorry.
21:59:49 <stickster> fair enough
22:00:26 <stickster> #action mattnix report list of top desktop/sysadmin/command-line articles to the magazine mailing list
22:00:41 <mattnix> How about a run down of some other blogs fedora users might like to know about? Some from fedora planet?
22:01:49 <stickster> sure, if they're similarly user focused (meaning it could be desktop users, sysadmins, developers...) that would be a great idea for an article IMHO ("[N] Fedora blogs you should be reading")
22:02:24 <stickster> Ideally we want to cover about three weeks of publishing -- or *9* articles -- during holidays.
22:02:46 <stickster> Netboot part 3 means we only have 8 to go. If we have 3 "best of" articles, that's 5 to go.
22:02:50 <mattnix> I could get something like that together at some point this month, depending on when it was needed for (later the better)
22:03:22 <stickster> mattnix: Do you think you could have something before New Year's Eve?
22:03:30 <ryanlerch> we could also add a developers one
22:03:31 <stickster> Then we could plan to push it Wed Jan 2
22:03:39 <mattnix> stickster: Sure!
22:03:40 <ryanlerch> we had a lot of python stuff this year
22:03:45 <stickster> That's 4 to go then :-)
22:04:21 <stickster> ryanlerch: Indeed! That might go further than "command line" depending on content -- mattnix, can you add that as a fourth category to look at?
22:04:53 <mattnix> sounds good to me
22:05:01 * stickster would sign asamalik up to do any of the "best of" articles -- he already told me he'd love to do some writing over break and has the time
22:05:06 <stickster> That's 3 to go then!
22:05:15 <mattnix> just to check, we get an email summary with these action points, yep? :)
22:05:30 <stickster> mattnix: Yes, it will go to the magazine list. You're subscribed there, right?
22:05:43 <mattnix> stickster: yep!
22:05:46 <stickster> #action mattnix also look for top developer-focused articles (a 4th category)
22:05:58 <stickster> #nick asamalik
22:06:09 <stickster> #info asamalik can be on the hook for some or all of the "best of" articles
22:06:34 <stickster> #idea mattnix has idea for [N] Fedora blogs article
22:06:52 <stickster> #idea Netboot part 3 can be during Dec 17-Jan 1 timeframe too
22:07:11 <stickster> #idea only 3 articles still needed to cover that period
22:07:44 <stickster> Are we OK to close now?  I need to run, son's birthday is today and we're taking him to dinner
22:08:03 <stickster> mattnix: as luck would have it, a British-styled pub near here, one of my favorite places :-)
22:08:11 <mattnix> Ah, happy birthday sticker's son!
22:08:14 <stickster> and as luck would have it, his :-D
22:08:36 <mattnix> stickster: haha, I hope you have a great time :D
22:08:49 <mattnix> have a pint for me!
22:08:53 <stickster> OK, looks like people are checked out at this point. I'll close up shop. Thanks for coming ryanlerch cverna mattnix gregbartholomew!
22:09:00 <stickster> mattnix: mos def!
22:09:01 <cverna> oh nice bangers and mash and a pint of bitter :)
22:09:04 <mattnix> thanks all!
22:09:06 <stickster> YESSSSS
22:09:10 <stickster> #endmeeting