14:04:02 <pbrobinson> #startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
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14:04:02 <pbrobinson> #chair pwhalen pbrobinson bcotton
14:04:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton pbrobinson pwhalen
14:04:03 <pbrobinson> #topic roll call
14:04:32 * ipcloud here
14:04:33 <lorbus> .hello2
14:04:34 <zodbot> lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <cglombek@redhat.com>
14:04:38 <pwhalen> good morning
14:04:44 <bcotton> .hello2
14:04:45 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
14:04:46 * pwhalen is here
14:05:02 <bcotton> pbrobinson: aren't you supposed to be clearing brush or something?
14:09:25 <pbrobinson> #topic 1) ==== Working Group process and admin  ====
14:12:23 <wa1em> .hello
14:12:23 <zodbot> wa1em: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
14:12:30 <pbrobinson> so don't have much here
14:12:31 <wa1em> .hello linuxmodder
14:12:32 <zodbot> wa1em: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
14:12:51 * pwhalen has nothing for this topic
14:13:05 * wa1em is new to the SIG so not much from me
14:13:32 <bcotton> welcome wa1em
14:13:54 <wa1em> bcotton,  I'm linuxmodder just using my ham radio callsign as a backup sig not new to fedora tho
14:14:17 <bcotton> wa1em: well welcome to the sig :-)   de kc9fyx
14:15:18 <wa1em> might chat later in -Hams then
14:16:00 <pwhalen> heh
14:16:06 <pwhalen> #topic 2) ==== Fedora 29 blocker status for IoT ====
14:16:11 <wa1em> so just curious and partially lazy this morning what is the planned end goal or end user case for the IoT sig ?  sysadmins or the community at large?
14:16:55 <bcotton> wa1em: this might help https://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2018/12/introducing-the-aws-stockholm-region.html
14:16:59 <bcotton> oops
14:17:04 <bcotton> might help if i copied the right link
14:17:08 <pwhalen> so we had an RC2 released last week, I saw some testing on the list. Did anyone see any issues not mentioned?
14:17:11 <bcotton> wa1em: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/iot/prd/
14:19:58 <wa1em> not seeing anything too bad at a quick glance can do soem testing of my own later today tho and update as needed
14:20:10 <pwhalen> of the RC1 issues, the only remaining issue was 'console=tty0' on the kargs
14:20:33 <pwhalen> I think we can document how to remove it for those that want to use a serial console
14:21:07 <wa1em> pwhalen,  I'd almost argue most users of the sig would natively know how to tho no?
14:21:42 <wa1em> the average joe is not mucking with kargs in my experience
14:22:18 <pwhalen> wa1em, they should, and I might be the only one using serial console.
14:22:32 <wa1em> serial is not dead
14:22:44 <wa1em> I love serial for headless rack uses or rPI
14:23:10 <pwhalen> me too :)
14:24:02 <pwhalen> tdawson++
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14:24:08 <pwhalen> thanks for all the testing
14:24:22 <tdawson> Very welcome
14:25:52 * pbrobinson is much more here now
14:25:54 <pbrobinson> sorry
14:26:08 <tdawson> Is there going to be another RC, so I can test updating ... er ... whatever updating is called with ostree
14:26:44 <pbrobinson> tdawson: I don't plan to, but we'll be enabling updates via bodhi
14:26:48 <pwhalen> I think the only issue we found with RC2 is the added console. so it depends on if we consider it a blocker or not
14:26:59 <pbrobinson> the updates haven't been a problem though
14:27:09 <wa1em> for the masses I'd be -1 blocking
14:27:43 <pwhalen> I'd agree. We can document the work around for those using serial
14:28:15 <wa1em> or just have a polite, refer to serial console use 101 docs
14:29:44 <tdawson> I personally vote for documentation on how to use serial.  I don't usually use it, and if/when I do, this sig would be where I'd go to find out because these would be the machines I'd have it on.
14:30:01 <pbrobinson> so I think we're good to go, I'll post out to the mailing list for further testing but I think this is now done
14:30:20 <tdawson> I'm fine with us explaining it, or a link to someone else explaining it good, either way.
14:30:20 <pbrobinson> to also note I plan to do another release based on f29 in Jan
14:31:21 <wa1em> pbrobinson,  as an aside can you cc me on that until I have time to visit the mailserv and add myself properly
14:31:27 <pwhalen> tdawson, agreed
14:33:02 <pwhalen> sounds like everyone is +1 for a go on RC2, any -1?
14:33:16 <pbrobinson> wa1em: probably not, firstly I have no idea what you're email is, and there is archives
14:33:48 <wa1em> my fp.o is what I use mostly for mailserv but okay I'll just add to the todo list tonight
14:33:49 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: +1 from me :)
14:33:58 <wa1em> +1 on running with RC2 from me
14:34:09 <tdawson> pwhalen: +1 from me
14:34:45 <pbrobinson> wa1em: unless your fp.o is your irc nick I won't remember the connection
14:34:54 <wa1em> it is
14:35:11 <pwhalen> are we doing the typical Tuesday Fedora release, or breaking free from that tradition?
14:35:19 <wa1em> I'll just email yours and ask for the iot sig invite and do the mailserv myself
14:37:04 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: I'll work that out in the morning, I don't think there will be a huge fan fair etc
14:37:22 <pwhalen> I think quite a few of us might be on PTO next week as well
14:37:31 <pwhalen> ok, sounds good
14:38:59 <pbrobinson> #info f29 iot is good to go
14:39:11 <pbrobinson> #topic 3) ==== Open Floor ====
14:39:37 <pbrobinson> any one have anything to address?
14:40:33 * pwhalen has nothing
14:41:08 <stellirin> just a quick Q from me: is it safe to assume there will be IoT at DefConf next month?
14:41:46 <stellirin> I need to request time off soon but there's no schedule yet
14:42:00 <pbrobinson> stellirin: DefConf? No, never heard of it
14:42:19 <stellirin> sorry, DevConf in Brno, run by RedHat
14:42:47 <pbrobinson> If you mean DevConf, I've no idea, I'm not currently scheduled to be there but due to other reasons I may well be there
14:42:53 <lorbus> I'll be there :)
14:43:04 <lorbus> sneaky pete :P
14:43:15 <pwhalen> heh :)
14:43:32 <pbrobinson> I don't believe there's currently an IoT specific track, but I'm sure there will be talks
14:43:47 <stellirin> ok cool, it's only an hour away from me so i will probably attend too
14:44:01 <pbrobinson> lorbus: well I wasn't involved in the pre engineering meetings for "reasons"
14:44:12 <lorbus> coreos people at RH meet up one day prior to conf start
14:44:49 * tdawson will not be there.
14:44:57 <pbrobinson> stellirin: it's a awesome conference and I've been the last number of years, but I'm in the Southern hemisphere atm and it was going to be another week in the heat
14:45:54 <lorbus> I'd prefer that too, I don't think is anybody is going to be mad at you for it pbrobinson
14:46:17 <stellirin> great, for work reasons we will try to find out stuff about openshift, but i would like to see iot or arm too
14:47:01 <pbrobinson> stellirin: there will no doubt be a lot of stuff around openshift, and the coreos tech bits will be very useful to IoT too
14:47:24 <bcotton> the DevConf schedule should be posted any day now
14:48:05 <bcotton> i don't see anything that explicitly says "IoT" in the draft schedule, but that doesn't mean there won't be content
14:48:36 <lorbus> gtg. great work FIoT 29 everyone!!
14:49:17 <pbrobinson> lorbus: how are you getting on, what's the plans for greenboot?
14:50:14 <lorbus> pbrobinson: its on the board for next sprint startin Thursday, should get to it Friday
14:50:38 <pbrobinson> lorbus++ awesome!
14:53:08 <pbrobinson> right, if nobody has anything else I think we'll end this, of course general chat is always welcome on #fedora-iot :)
14:53:21 <lorbus> pbrobinson++
14:53:42 <tdawson> Nothing here
14:54:10 <pbrobinson> #endmeeting