13:59:50 <pbrobinson> #startmeeting Fedora IoT Working Group Meeting
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13:59:51 <pbrobinson> #chair pwhalen pbrobinson bcotton
13:59:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: bcotton pbrobinson pwhalen
13:59:51 <pbrobinson> #topic roll call
13:59:56 <pbrobinson> who is here?
14:00:00 <bcotton> .hello2
14:00:01 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
14:00:07 * pwhalen is here
14:00:23 <pwhalen> good morning folks
14:01:14 <pbrobinson> hello bcotton how are you doing?
14:01:27 <bcotton> pbrobinson: well-caffeinated, and you? :-)
14:01:47 * tdawson is here.
14:01:52 <pbrobinson> caffeine mostly worn off, other than that doing pretty well
14:02:04 * bcotton pours pbrobinson another cup of coffee
14:03:52 <pbrobinson> #topic 1) ==== Working Group process and admin  ====
14:04:14 <pbrobinson> I've only one little bit around this
14:05:01 <pbrobinson> having spoken with mattdm the thought is it to do full Edition launch a little time after F-30, probably late June with a 30.x minor release
14:05:22 <pbrobinson> anyone have any thoughts/suggestions around there?
14:05:29 <pbrobinson> that even, not there
14:05:45 <pwhalen> sounds good to me
14:06:21 <pwhalen> give attention to just iot, rather than lost in the release announcement
14:07:15 <pbrobinson> yes, and also allows a little more focus from other teams rather than trying to jam everything into a very short period of time
14:07:26 <pbrobinson> we'll still have the f30 release as per normal
14:09:08 <pbrobinson> #info IoT Edition to launch post F-30 release
14:09:36 <pbrobinson> ah, also not sure I mentioned we have a proper kanban
14:09:49 <pbrobinson> #info official Fedora IoT kanban https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/fedora-iot/kanban
14:10:57 <pbrobinson> we will (me especially) be starting to use this a lot more
14:11:05 <pbrobinson> so login and make sure you have access
14:11:35 <pbrobinson> I'm particularly looking at you pwhalen tdawson and bcotton ;-)
14:11:37 <pwhalen> I likely have some edits to make there
14:11:40 <pwhalen> :)
14:11:58 <pbrobinson> #info login uses standard Fedora FAS account
14:12:00 <bcotton> i'm good
14:12:19 <pbrobinson> we imported all the bits over from the other one, I need to work out how to remove that one
14:12:46 <pbrobinson> #topic 2) ==== Fedora 30 ====
14:13:12 <tdawson> pbrobinson: Cool ... my account it there ... still checking permissions.
14:13:32 <pbrobinson> tdawson: just ping on the iot channel if you have issues, doesn't need to be now
14:13:40 <tdawson> *nods*
14:13:43 <pbrobinson> today's compose will be pretty close to the first RC with the 5.0.9-301 and u-boot
14:14:15 <pbrobinson> I expect a few more tweaks but overall the basics look fine to me
14:14:35 <pbrobinson> Raspberry Pi and virt seem in reasonable condition
14:14:48 <tdawson> In the arm meeting, we talked about the 5.1.0 kernel ... I forgot to ask, are we expecting that in the final F30 release?
14:15:34 <tdawson> Which spills into this meeting ... do we expect 5.0.9 or 5.1.0 for the F30 iot image?
14:16:02 <pwhalen> tdawson, 5.1 is in rawhide for now. we'll likely ship with 5.0.9
14:16:10 <tdawson> OK
14:17:01 <pbrobinson> tdawson: nope, not for GA, the rule of thumb for any stable release is that it normally heads to the newest stable Fedora release around the .3 time frame
14:17:14 * pwhalen will upgrade devices today to check the latest compose
14:17:21 <tdawson> *nods*
14:17:40 <pbrobinson> with rc6 out on Sunday, and normally a rc7 -> .0 that would probably give us around 5-6 weeks before a 5.1.3 heads to F-30
14:18:46 <pbrobinson> anything else for F-30?
14:19:21 <bcotton> .
14:19:24 * pwhalen has nothing else
14:19:31 <bcotton> #info Talking points needed for F30
14:19:38 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_30_talking_points#Fedora_IoT
14:19:54 <pbrobinson> bcotton: thanks for the reminder, I'll get to that in the next couple of days, for Arm too
14:20:07 <bcotton> pbrobinson++
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14:20:17 <bcotton> (preemptive karma. don't make me regret my cookie)
14:20:29 <pbrobinson> I do have it already open in my browser
14:20:34 <pwhalen> heh :)
14:21:15 <pbrobinson> #topic 3) ==== Fedora 29 release 2 status ====
14:21:54 <pbrobinson> the first compose for this was done today, basically just pulled in all the latest updates
14:22:40 <pbrobinson> I have a few more bits to land here but overall I don't expect to spend a lot of time on it, and it'll likely be the last f29 release
14:23:35 <pbrobinson> I've tested it on x86 HW and VM and rpi3 HW and it seems fine
14:23:47 <pbrobinson> that is more just a heads up
14:23:58 <pwhalen> sounds good, with f30 out people will likely move over
14:25:19 <pbrobinson> yes, and f30 will move to the stable branch once we go GA so it should just happen
14:25:43 <pbrobinson> but that'll happen a little after release
14:25:56 <tdawson> so as we do the rpm-ostree upgrade, it will transition into F30?  correct?
14:27:00 <pbrobinson> that's the plan
14:27:53 <pbrobinson> I need to work out exact process and I suspect we'll do that with the .1 release post 30.0 GA
14:28:00 <pbrobinson> so a couple of weeks later
14:28:31 <pbrobinson> #topic 4) ==== Fedora 31 planning ====
14:28:43 <pbrobinson> it's never too early to start this
14:29:12 <pbrobinson> #info aiming to work out how best to group f31 planning into a kanban epic to track all the bits
14:29:29 <pbrobinson> or what ever the big overarching its are for kanban
14:30:20 <tdawson> So we see any big ticket items for F31, or more of getting thigns done already on the kanban board?
14:31:18 <tdawson> /So/Do/
14:31:29 <pbrobinson> all of the above
14:32:11 <tdawson> *nods*
14:32:55 <pbrobinson> does anyone have anything they're planning for F-31?
14:33:47 <tdawson> Not that I'm not going to try to get into F30 :)
14:34:14 <pbrobinson> big one for me is container pipeline but that's a bit dependent on infra
14:35:03 <tdawson> Ya, containers is what I'd like to start workingon when I get more time.
14:36:17 <pbrobinson> and end to end demos
14:36:30 <tdawson> Yep
14:36:31 <pbrobinson> any one anything else for f31 planning?
14:37:02 <tdawson> Not from me.
14:37:54 <pbrobinson> #topic 5) ==== Open Floor ====
14:38:17 <tdawson> jsmith: finished the mozilla-iot-gateway review.
14:38:20 <tdawson> jsmith: ++
14:38:29 <pwhalen> jsmith++
14:38:38 <tdawson> jsmith++
14:38:42 <pbrobinson> yes, jsmith++ that was quite a task
14:38:52 <pwhalen> looks like it based on the bz
14:39:13 <tdawson> The packages have been built and in going to bodhi now.  for F31, 30 and 29
14:39:16 <pwhalen> just to backtrack, f31 iot will be based on coreos?
14:40:29 <bcotton> jsmith++
14:40:36 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: define "based on", we're already based on the same tech in coreos
14:40:44 <tdawson> Gateway 0.8.1 is out ... I'll be getting that done next week, when the 0.7.0 packages are through bodhi
14:40:55 <tdawson> gateway 0.8.1 has logging, which is something I was wanting.
14:41:07 <pwhalen> was looking at changes, for one it doesnt look like they will support updates
14:41:13 <pwhalen> from previous releases
14:42:26 <pwhalen> actually, looks like its not yet decided
14:42:32 <bcotton> pwhalen: is your question "will f31 IoT be a downstream of CoreOS as opposed to the current state where it's a separate thing that is also built on rpm-ostree?"
14:42:57 <pbrobinson> tdawson: bodhi will be frozen until release, maybe get 0.8.x into rawhide while f30 settles out
14:43:29 <pwhalen> sorta, yes. need to look at the changes between two
14:43:39 <tdawson> pbrobinson: good point ... ok, I'll get 0.8.1 into rawhide.
14:51:05 <tdawson> Did we loose people?  Or did my cat do something fancy with my IRC client again?
14:52:03 <pbrobinson> nope
14:52:11 <pbrobinson> anyone with anything else?
14:52:25 <tdawson> I'm good.
14:52:59 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: I think we'll be OK, I don't see the layering functionality being dropped from rpm-ostree, although we've not overly focused on it except for some wifi firmware
14:53:07 * pwhalen is busy reading some of the outdated docs
14:53:39 <pbrobinson> pwhalen: lets discuss further on IoT channel as necessary
14:53:42 <pwhalen> ok, what I'm reading is kinda old.
14:53:54 <pbrobinson> thank you all
14:53:54 <pbrobinson> #endmeeting