12:00:05 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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12:00:07 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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12:00:09 <stickster> #topic Roll call
12:00:11 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:00:13 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:00:24 <cverna> o/
12:00:39 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch asamalik cverna
12:00:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:00:54 <gregbartholomew> .hello glb
12:00:58 <asamalik> .hello2
12:01:04 <stickster> #chair gregbartholomew
12:01:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna gregbartholomew ryanlerch stickster
12:01:15 <zodbot> gregbartholomew: glb 'Gregory Lee Bartholomew' <gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com>
12:01:18 <zodbot> asamalik: Something blew up, please try again
12:01:28 <stickster> aww, poor zoddie
12:01:30 <asamalik> zodbot++
12:01:37 <asamalik> .hello2
12:01:40 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
12:01:50 <asamalik> it's too early for zodbot!
12:02:04 <stickster> apparently
12:04:07 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
12:04:30 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
12:04:32 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
12:04:37 <stickster> #info Week of May 6: 96.3K pageviews, still riding the wave of F30 release!
12:04:48 <asamalik> woooo!
12:04:50 <stickster> o/ ryanlerch !!
12:05:18 <ryanlerch> sorry for being a bit late!
12:05:30 <ryanlerch> 96.3K woo!
12:05:44 <stickster> I imagine this week will be a little more normal-ish
12:06:18 <stickster> Speaking of which... I think we're short one article today -- let me look up last meeting minutes to see where that was supposed to come from
12:06:46 <cverna> yes I was supposed to edit it :P
12:07:04 <stickster> oh whoops -- cverna do you have time to do that today? we could still push something tomorrow
12:07:20 <cverna> I have done it this morning but there is one part I am not comfortable with about modularity
12:07:46 <stickster> hmm, if we could only find a modularity person for this meeting... ;-P
12:07:49 <cverna> asamalik: maybe you could look, I asked in #fedora-modularity but I had no answers
12:08:06 <asamalik> hahaha
12:08:13 <asamalik> cverna: ah ping me next time :)
12:08:24 <cverna> basically the author is making microdnf work with module by creating a config file
12:08:34 <cverna> not sure we want to promote this
12:08:51 <cverna> the article needs a feature image too
12:09:03 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
12:09:08 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
12:09:21 <stickster> #info --- smaller container images ---
12:09:23 * asamalik goes dig it up in wordpress
12:09:30 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27793&preview=1&_ppp=654865bacc
12:10:11 <asamalik> ah there we go!
12:11:51 <asamalik> yeah microdnf is not really supported yet afaik
12:11:54 * stickster makes quick format tweak to one block that is goofy
12:12:35 <stickster> asamalik: Is there a way to resolve that issue in the article?
12:12:45 <cverna> asamalik: do you think we remove that part ?
12:12:54 <cverna> should*
12:13:17 <asamalik> I don't know from the top of my head if there is anything else than either a) use dnf or b) use that file if it works
12:14:08 <stickster> and I assume using dnf then defeats the point of smaller container
12:14:17 <asamalik> yeah...
12:14:21 <asamalik> let me do a few experiments
12:14:25 <stickster> asamalik: what does "not supported" mean?
12:14:34 * asamalik is quite surprised that microdnf wouldn't support anything modularity-related
12:14:37 <gregbartholomew> could rpm be used to remove the undesired packages after the fact?
12:15:31 <cverna> Also modularity is not 100% needed in that article, we could just remove it
12:15:53 <cverna> but then the article would be a bit empty
12:17:11 <stickster> asamalik: ^ question above stands, what is "not supported" in Fedora context?
12:17:37 <asamalik> stickster: ah sorry... the module commands
12:18:04 <stickster> asamalik: Oh, so those literally don't work?
12:18:15 <asamalik> they're not even implemented
12:18:17 <stickster> ha
12:18:19 * asamalik is just looking at it
12:19:31 <stickster> OK, let's come back to this article so we don't get stuck in meeting for now
12:19:43 <cverna> +1
12:19:57 <stickster> #action asamalik resolve question about microdnf modularity usage in container [4~article
12:20:04 <asamalik> +1
12:20:09 <stickster> #info --- SSO for Fedora web services ---
12:20:11 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27920&preview=1&_ppp=196de7753f
12:20:57 <stickster> This should be in draft, I think sgallagh is simply unfamiliar with the process at https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-an-article-for-the-fedora-magazine/
12:21:16 <sgallagh> Hmm?
12:21:46 <stickster> I moved it -- but +1 on the article pitch, because this is a feature that helps the larger user base and not just packagers or other inner-circle community members
12:21:54 <cverna> +1 too
12:23:09 <gregbartholomew> +1
12:23:25 <stickster> Three +1 seems enough :-) ... sgallagh, when do you propose to have the article ready to edit/publish?
12:23:25 <ryanlerch> +1
12:23:33 <stickster> correction, four :-D
12:24:02 <sgallagh> stickster: When do you want it? (Give me a minimum of two days; one to write it and one to solicit editing)
12:24:38 <stickster> sgallagh: If you have it Friday by noon Eastern, I can edit it for publication next Monday
12:24:57 <sgallagh> I think I can manage that.
12:25:00 <ryanlerch> smaller container images now has a featured image too FWIW
12:25:30 <cverna> ryanlerch: thanks
12:26:22 <stickster> ryanlerch: awesome!
12:26:31 <stickster> #agreed SSO pitch accepted
12:26:55 <stickster> #action sgallagh to write SSO article and ping for editing Friday 2019-05-17
12:27:08 <stickster> Thanks for the article sgallagh!
12:27:15 <stickster> #info --- securing telnet ---
12:27:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27835&preview=1&_ppp=2417606011
12:27:41 <stickster> Looks like Curt wrote this up recently
12:28:38 <stickster> We could have this ready for next Wednesday, does someone want to take edits/image?
12:29:12 <ryanlerch> i can do image!
12:29:33 <ryanlerch> i'll snag all the images this week, and get them done tomorrow!
12:29:54 * ryanlerch is off for a week and a bit on friday...
12:30:05 <stickster> Oh right, we'll miss you next week ryanlerch  :-)
12:31:39 <cverna> +1 on that article :)
12:31:55 <ryanlerch> +1 on the article too from me
12:32:22 <sdgathman> Securing telnet - use Cjdns IPs!
12:32:33 <stickster> When you have a hammer...
12:32:40 <gregbartholomew> Look cool. I wonder why he is using /var/run for the chroot dir though? -- It seems to cause a small problem that he notes at the end.
12:34:22 <cverna> I believe gregbartholomew just volunteered to edit the article :P
12:34:40 <stickster> Maybe should be /var/tmp intead?
12:34:44 <stickster> *instead
12:35:20 <gregbartholomew> Yeah, or just make something new under /var specifically for the service.
12:35:47 <stickster> gregbartholomew: Want to take this for editing then?
12:36:33 * stickster notes there are some minor punctuation/syntax issues peppered around, nothing huge
12:36:48 <stickster> and needs to eliminate "I/me/my"
12:36:52 <gregbartholomew> Not sure that I'm really up to it.
12:37:50 <stickster> OK. ryanlerch: This one's pretty short and easy, I can have it done by tonight I think, if you have the image covered.
12:38:10 <ryanlerch> stickster: too easy on the image!~
12:38:55 <stickster> #action stickster edit telnet/stunnel article
12:39:01 <stickster> #action ryanlerch image for telnet/stunnel article
12:39:57 * asamalik got distracted with the docs pipeline being stuck, sorry...
12:40:21 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
12:41:12 <stickster> Very little new here -- I think we're still waiting for phracek's article on packit for example
12:41:40 <cverna> I emailed him last week giving him the green light
12:41:50 <stickster> cverna: that's awesome, thank you for doing htat
12:41:51 <stickster> *that
12:42:02 <stickster> gregbartholomew: I see something on systemd-boot here... was this pitched previously? I missed last week.
12:42:23 <gregbartholomew> No, it wasn't pitched previously.
12:43:08 * stickster moves to pitch, where we're going anyway at this point :-D
12:43:39 <stickster> we need to clean up old dusty drafts that are still incomplete, but let's save that for another day
12:43:46 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
12:43:50 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
12:43:57 <stickster> #info --- systemd-boot ---
12:43:59 <gregbartholomew> Should I move my pitches to "pitch" from now on?
12:44:09 <sdgathman> The article isn't really about securing telnet - but about using stunnel, with telnet as an example.
12:44:26 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27928&preview=1&_ppp=2b6ed8154a
12:44:32 <stickster> sdgathman: ack
12:45:15 <sdgathman> I think it should say more about when/why you would want to use stunnel, before launching into the simple telnet example.
12:45:16 <gregbartholomew> My idea on this one is that there might be some users out there "searching" for alternatives to grub after the switch to fedora 30.
12:46:37 <stickster> sdgathman: It should be simple to add a couple sentences about that, it's briefly mentioned already in the intro.
12:46:42 <gregbartholomew> I'm thinking that systemd-boot would be a good "alternative to grub" recommendation because it also supports the new boot loader specification that Fedora 30 has switched to.
12:46:44 <stickster> gregbartholomew: how come?
12:46:55 <stickster> like, I wasn't aware people were searching, or why
12:47:21 <gregbartholomew> I saw some complains about failed upgrades on the #fedora channel last week.
12:48:00 <Southern_Gentlem> lots of reports of failed upgrades and people are upset about the hidden grub in workstation
12:48:00 <gregbartholomew> I'm not sure that grub was really to blame, but some people were saying "wow" grub.cfg is "messed up".
12:48:25 <gregbartholomew> Really, i think they just didn't get the idea behind BLS>
12:48:53 <stickster> I'm not sure sending people to a bootloader that Fedora QA doesn't check is the best solution for us to push in the Magazine
12:48:53 <Southern_Gentlem> yes bls article would be good imho
12:48:58 <gregbartholomew> This article might give a chance to explain the drop-in config file concept a bit too.
12:50:06 <gregbartholomew> OK, if there is a Fedora QA problem, that's fine.
12:50:08 <stickster> What about an article on correcting some of the frequently seen issues?
12:50:58 <gregbartholomew> I'm not sure what all the "issues" were exactly. Like I said, I think people were just confused by the new layout.
12:51:15 <stickster> Maybe something worth an article to explain then?
12:51:41 <stickster> I haven't run into an issue upgrading any systems so I'm not sure what we're talking about exactly
12:51:42 <gregbartholomew> I didn't have a small issue with the new grub configuration in my software raid article though.
12:52:25 <gregbartholomew> that issue was specific to using software raid though, or at least the way I had set it up.
12:52:41 * cverna does not have a real opinion there :)
12:53:12 * stickster is uncomfortable with sending people from something they're not yet familiar with, but is QA'd, to something they're not yet familiar with, but isn't
12:53:40 <gregbartholomew> OK. I'm cool with skipping this one.
12:54:58 <stickster> #agreed belay post on systemd-boot
12:55:29 <stickster> #info --- Hygon Dhyana ---
12:55:35 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=27828&preview=1&_ppp=bf7d5c48a6
12:56:26 <cverna> sounds like a +1 to me
12:56:26 <stickster> This is interesting, a new x86-type processor that could be tested with Fedora hopefully
12:56:42 <stickster> Seems sensible, +1
12:57:21 * stickster notes he has ~2 min to wrap up here
12:57:26 <ryanlerch> is this something to "announce" though?
12:57:45 <stickster> ryanlerch: ack, not really, just needs a change of title hopefully
12:58:10 <ryanlerch> +_1 from me
12:58:12 * stickster changes to "Using the Hygon Dhyana Processor with Fedora 30"
12:58:35 <stickster> cverna: can you email the author?
12:58:46 <cverna> sure
12:58:58 <stickster> #action cverna email Hygon Dhyana author to approve pitch and ask for draft
12:59:34 <stickster> IIRC the other pitches are simply awaiting time to write
12:59:38 <stickster> #topic publishing schedule
12:59:50 <stickster> Thu/Fri -- container article
12:59:53 <stickster> Mon -- SSO
13:00:02 <stickster> Wed -- stunnel
13:00:06 <stickster> sound about right?
13:00:13 <ryanlerch> +1
13:00:14 <cverna> +1
13:00:26 <cverna> I should even maybe get the container today
13:00:32 <cverna> article*
13:01:09 <stickster> #agreed Publishing schedule -- Thu/Fri May 16/17, small containers (edit: cverna, image: ryanlerch) -- Mon May 20, SSO (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch) -- Wed May 22, stunnel (edit: stickster, image: ryanlerch)
13:01:22 <stickster> OK, thanks everyone for being here! have a great rest of your week.
13:01:27 <stickster> #endmeeting