12:00:39 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
12:00:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 19 12:00:39 2019 UTC.
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12:00:43 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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12:00:45 <stickster> #topic Roll call
12:00:48 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:00:50 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:00:53 <stickster> #chair asamalik ryanlerch cverna
12:00:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:01:05 * stickster waits to see who shows up and/or wants to gavel today
12:01:10 <cverna> Hello :-)
12:01:23 <stickster> o/ all, welcome :-)
12:02:21 <stickster> Hmm, very quiet
12:02:38 <stickster> Oh, I recall that asamalik is actually sick today, he reported in earlier... But hopefully ryanlerch is out there
12:03:49 <stickster> cverna: Hm, it's strangely quiet. We may have a short meeting
12:04:13 <bcotton> .hello2
12:04:19 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:04:27 <stickster> Hey neat, hi Ben!
12:04:29 <stickster> #chair bcotton
12:04:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:04:38 <stickster> Well, let's move forward
12:04:39 <bcotton> bonjour, stickster!
12:04:42 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
12:05:28 <stickster> #info Week of June 10: 59.8K pageviews, very slightly up from week before and not at the level we saw in Feb/Mar
12:06:20 <stickster> We definitely want to start pushing this needle upward with good content choices and also socializing the articles
12:06:52 <stickster> cverna: Can you take the gavel for a moment? I'm going to check socials on the article that went out early this morning my time
12:08:09 <cverna> sure
12:08:51 <cverna> I think June tends to be a quiet month in terms of pageviews
12:09:16 <ryanlerch> .hellow ryanlerch
12:09:25 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
12:09:27 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
12:09:32 <ryanlerch> sorry i'm late!
12:09:48 <cverna> ryanlerch: o/
12:10:19 * stickster back, just got done social-ing the article
12:10:27 <ryanlerch> hi bcotton, stickster, cverna !
12:10:31 <stickster> cverna: yeah, could be the normal summer slump
12:10:34 <bcotton> hi ryanlerch!
12:10:48 <stickster> o/ Ryan
12:10:49 * cverna search for the taiga board link
12:11:22 <cverna> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:11:53 <stickster> cverna: Do you know whether we're meant to do some transfer into this board during/before this meeting?
12:12:03 <stickster> or after for that matter
12:12:13 * stickster notes we have pending review articles not on the board
12:12:24 <cverna> stickster: I think asamalik did it last week before the meeting
12:12:30 <stickster> Hm, OK
12:12:47 <cverna> also he was looking at wordpress plugins, which I think would be a better fit
12:12:58 <cverna> since it would avoid duplicating things
12:13:01 <stickster> cverna: *nod, something where we don't have to duplicate work hopefully
12:13:17 <cverna> so maybe let's skip taiga for now :)
12:13:34 <stickster> We don't get so much content we can't wait a few days to sync.
12:13:57 <ryanlerch> i can put my hand up to try to do a sync just before the meetings
12:14:09 <ryanlerch> *manual sync
12:14:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: If we need to, that would be appreciated! But we should also see whether this Kanban plugin will make that unnecessary -- for example, can we make it automatically line up articles workflow style
12:15:40 <stickster> Or perhaps we'll end up using it to line up other Magazine work outside of articles. I don't know, but I do know we probably all want to avoid duplicating effort unnecessarily
12:16:03 <stickster> Should we proceed with reviews in the conventional way?
12:16:16 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
12:16:24 <cverna> +1
12:16:58 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
12:17:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
12:17:06 <stickster> #info --- Making F30 ---
12:17:10 <asamalik> hi all! sorry for missing today, I have head aches today, can't really function properly
12:17:12 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28415&preview=1&_ppp=f1d5aaa1ac
12:17:29 <stickster> asamalik: Sorry to hear it! I had reported you in sick, it's OK
12:17:31 <cverna> asamalik: no worries, take care and have some rest :)
12:17:35 <stickster> +1
12:18:50 <asamalik> thanks! I'll follow up with the board asap
12:19:28 <stickster> So for this "Making F30" article -- I assume we approved this already (sorry can't recall!) but it's definitely a good idea, nice call for contribution to the general public
12:19:48 <cverna> yes it was on the mailing list
12:19:59 <stickster> Looks like it needs only minimal/trivial editing, I can handle that tonight or tomorrow and do an image, and we could push it Friday
12:20:05 <bcotton> i'm not sure it got entirely approved, but there was a general sense of +1 to ankur's suggestion, iirc :-)
12:20:11 <cverna> +1
12:20:17 <ryanlerch> +1
12:20:38 <stickster> #agreed Making F30 article mos def approved
12:20:44 <ryanlerch> just trying to think if there are any images or graphs or something we could use to split up the text a bit
12:21:06 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah, maybe a screenshot of the new website?
12:21:41 <stickster> since it mentions the new website and the team that worked on it
12:22:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
12:22:39 <cverna> yes sounds good to me
12:22:40 <bcotton> could also throw in the F30 Change Accepted badge
12:22:52 <ryanlerch> also: "Although Fedora 29 was released on October 30, 2019"
12:23:04 <stickster> bcotton: Yeah, feel free to grab that and put it in
12:23:30 <bcotton> ryanlerch: yeah, we released the previous version in the future. what are you going to do about it? :p
12:23:32 <bcotton> stickster: will do
12:24:01 <ryanlerch> bcotton: you organize well! :)
12:24:24 <bcotton> :-D
12:25:51 <stickster> for sure
12:26:05 <stickster> OK, I popped in a graphic, and will work with bcotton on the rest.
12:26:38 <bcotton> stickster++
12:26:42 <stickster> #action stickster edit/image Making F30 article and schedule for Friday June 21
12:26:56 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
12:27:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
12:27:13 <stickster> #info --- i3 with multiple monitors ---
12:27:21 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28399&preview=1&_ppp=ddb9750287
12:27:56 <cverna> nice image :)
12:27:58 <stickster> This one is by asamalik, seems like i3 and other interesting desktop env articles always get us good hits, so this is awesome. Hopefully asamalik can finish this one himself for Monday?
12:27:58 <ryanlerch> that cover image is my setup at home!
12:28:26 <cverna> ryanlerch: :-D
12:28:30 <stickster> lol!
12:29:02 <asamalik> stickster: Monday it is!
12:29:05 <stickster> #action asamalik to finish i3 multi-mon article this weekend and push/schedule for Monday
12:29:32 <ryanlerch> asamalik++
12:29:45 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
12:29:56 <stickster> #info --- Jupyter ---
12:30:00 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28390&preview=1&_ppp=77fdc0a928
12:30:34 <stickster> jupyter is really popular with data scientists... this seems like a good idea to me, +1
12:31:01 <ryanlerch> +1
12:31:06 <cverna> +1
12:31:28 <ryanlerch> also note that this article states that jupyter notebook is in the python lab too
12:31:30 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-python-classroom-lab/
12:31:40 <stickster> I'm OK with it drawing from another online source by the same author, that seems quite "above board"
12:31:59 <stickster> Neat, Ryan! We should let the author know that and have them point it out.
12:32:13 <stickster> #agreed jupyter pitch approved
12:32:32 <stickster> #action stickster email jupyter pitch author and have them proceed, see if they can provide draft by Sunday to publish on Wednesday
12:32:46 <stickster> That doesn't sound too hard since it's 75% written already ;-)
12:34:03 <cverna> yes so that should get us going until next meeting
12:35:09 <stickster> Hopefully!
12:36:15 <stickster> #info Just FYI editors -- the Magazine "editorial comments" in a post *DOES* work to send email to authors/contributors!
12:37:24 <stickster> Looking at other pitches...
12:37:27 <cverna> ah nice :)
12:37:59 <stickster> #info --- bpftrace ---
12:38:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28092&preview=1&_ppp=e7a8209a76
12:38:25 <stickster> Has anyone approved this already? Does the author know?
12:38:46 <stickster> Ah, the list says yes!
12:39:23 <stickster> asamalik responded onlist, but it's not clear in that email what we want the author to do next, so I can follow up once more
12:40:52 <stickster> #action stickster email bpftrace author again for follow up (DONE)
12:41:22 <stickster> cverna: ryanlerch: bcotton: Everything else here looks old. Are there new things on the list we can approve or move ahead?
12:42:02 <cverna> there was a discution avout data science article on the list, if I recall correctly
12:42:32 <cverna> ha that was the Jupyter one
12:43:06 <cverna> oh we had a new member intro https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VBYJY343J5UQ4BVQXD52VA5UB5ILEALH/
12:43:35 <stickster> I think I just responded to that one, Sergey, right?
12:43:41 <cverna> yes
12:43:52 <stickster> awesome!
12:44:07 <cverna> we also had mhroncok pitch https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/EK4LP5MJOBW7SA4BCR3Z6KYLBK3TFSKE/
12:44:11 <ryanlerch> aprove!
12:44:19 <pingou> shipit!
12:44:29 <stickster> insta-+1 for mhroncok :-) I think that was not going to be seen for a couple weeks, but that's fine
12:45:03 <cverna> since pingou showed up he will write something for us :P
12:45:09 <ryanlerch> pingou: you talked! you owe us an article
12:45:17 <ryanlerch> cverna: lol, jinx
12:45:20 <cverna> ha ha :P
12:45:36 <pingou> "My little pony"
12:45:45 * cverna notes that this might not be the best way to get new contributors :P
12:46:01 <stickster> lol
12:46:18 <ryanlerch> pingou: i can review it, i have a 4.5YO, im pretty much a SME
12:46:28 <bcotton> ryanlerch++
12:46:29 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:47:00 <stickster> #action stickster Check on problems with redirects
12:47:00 <cverna> ryanlerch: ha ha :-)
12:47:06 <mhroncok> stickster: I'm back from pycon cz, the e-mail pile is large, will do my best to get to the magazine article early next week
12:47:10 <pingou> ryanlerch: danmn!
12:47:16 <stickster> mhroncok: sure, no problem
12:47:21 <cverna> mhroncok++
12:47:22 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for churchyard changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:47:39 <ryanlerch> mhroncok++
12:47:39 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for churchyard changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:48:00 <stickster> In the meantime, I think it would be great if people could look at picking up a starter pitch, and running with it: https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=starter-pitches&post_type=post
12:48:13 <stickster> These are ready-made ideas someone could just write and contribute easily
12:48:51 <cverna> ha yes I took the mycroft one from the pile last week, and it generated quite a few comments :S
12:49:01 <stickster> Remember, if a beginner or new contributor wants to work on them, you may need to "edit user" and turn them into an Author to do so
12:49:21 <stickster> cverna: indeed! no good deed goes unpunished, just ask ryanlerch
12:49:35 <cverna> my wife thought I was getting crazy because I was talking to myself "Hey Mycroft"
12:50:48 <ryanlerch> haha, i know the feeling, it took me a while to remove all the themes off my system after the theming article :)
12:51:08 <cverna> :P
12:51:12 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
12:51:59 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Jun 21: Making F30 (stickster) -- Mon Jun 24: i3 multi-mon (asamalik) -- Wed Jun 26: Jupyter (edit/image TBD)
12:52:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: Do you want to take the Jupyter one?
12:52:56 * stickster has an all-other-business item, so let's get this moving ^
12:53:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes!
12:53:22 <stickster> yay, thanks! (I meant the schedule on the whole though, not you Ryan) :-D
12:53:50 <stickster> #action ryanlerch to edit/image the Jupyter article, assuming it comes in :-)
12:53:50 <cverna> +1 for the schedule
12:54:17 <stickster> good enough :-)
12:54:19 <stickster> #agreed Fri Jun 21: Making F30 (stickster) -- Mon Jun 24: i3 multi-mon (asamalik) -- Wed Jun 26: Jupyter (edit/image TBD)
12:54:29 <stickster> #topic All other business / open floor
12:54:32 <cverna> #info cverna expected be on paternity leave most of july :-)
12:54:53 <bcotton> cverna++
12:54:56 <stickster> Ah, good to know. We'll need to pick up the slack around here, then. Hopefully I can also entice someone(s) into helping from the team
12:55:06 <bcotton> congratulations, cverna!
12:55:14 <cverna> bcotton: thanks :)
12:55:26 <stickster> indeed! :👶
12:55:42 <cverna> stickster: if I can't sleep at night I might be able to get an article or two ready :P
12:55:57 <stickster> #info stickster proposed a hackfest at Flock 2019 for moving the Magazine to a service provider (likely WP.com)
12:56:06 <cverna> cool :)
12:56:14 <stickster> https://pagure.io/flock/issue/181
12:56:24 <pingou> cverna: you mean, one or two / night, right? :)
12:56:37 <stickster> Please review and comment :-) I asked for ryanlerch and asamalik at least to be there, hopefully cverna but I know there will be infra things going on as well that might prevent him from being there.
12:56:43 <stickster> Or even... paternity leave
12:56:46 <cverna> pingou: ha ha I hope not :P
12:56:56 <stickster> yikes
12:57:15 <stickster> Anything else we need to cover?
12:57:49 <stickster> Note... I marked it as a "full day" hackfest but I think it will probably be achievable in a half-day -- delays might happen if it takes longer than expected to move data, or a plugin misbehaves, or...?
12:57:49 <bcotton> just a note on the migration. Red Hat's Open Source Program Office offers WP hosting, so that might be another option that wouldn't require us to find money for it
12:58:18 <stickster> bcotton: As long as it allows us to install arbitrary plugins and themes, it might work
12:58:24 <cverna> oh yes that could be a good alternative
12:58:31 <stickster> and regular backups :-)_
12:59:04 <bcotton> stickster: cool. i've only started very basic conversation with jason brooks (basically: does OSPO offer this service?), so i'm not sure exactly what yet. but i'll add you or someone you designate to that discussion
12:59:29 <stickster> bcotton: Sure, you can add me and... ryanlerch ?
12:59:37 <bcotton> you got it
12:59:43 <ryanlerch> stickster: sure!
12:59:50 <stickster> thanks bcotton
12:59:52 <stickster> bcotton++
12:59:52 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for bcotton changed to 13 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:59:55 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY!
13:00:09 <stickster> OK, with that, I think it's time to close up shop. Thanks for coming, everyone!
13:00:16 <ryanlerch> stickster: one advantage the OSPO option would have would be maybe keeping openid login with FAS
13:00:34 <ryanlerch> i dont think we will ever get that with wp.com
13:00:40 <stickster> Yeah, we'd want to do that no matter where it's hosted. WP.com business plans may allow that
13:00:55 <stickster> since they do allow arbitrary plugins at the paid tier
13:01:04 <stickster> or maybe it's the higher one. but one of them... I think.
13:01:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: ack!
13:01:15 <stickster> #action bcotton to add stickster and ryanlerch to OSPO WP hosting conversation
13:01:19 <stickster> Thanks all!
13:01:20 <stickster> #endmeeting