12:01:26 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 12:01:26 Meeting started Wed Jun 26 12:01:26 2019 UTC. 12:01:26 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 12:01:26 The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:01:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 12:01:27 #meetingname magazine 12:01:27 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 12:01:30 #topic Roll call 12:01:32 .hello pfrields 12:01:35 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 12:02:03 * jakfrost waves 12:02:23 .hello 12:02:23 jakfrost: (hello ) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1". 12:02:33 .hello jakfrost 12:02:34 jakfrost: jakfrost 'Steven Snow' 12:02:37 .hello2 12:02:41 bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' 12:02:54 #chair jakfrost bcotton ryanlerch asamalik cverna 12:02:54 Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna jakfrost ryanlerch stickster 12:03:08 Hi all! o/ 12:03:12 hello o/ 12:03:46 * bcotton passes the coffee pot around 12:04:06 * jakfrost takes coffee 12:04:08 There's a chance Adam is still traveling from the ContainerDays conference. ryanlerch just pinged me and his laptop died but he's reconnecting and will be here 12:04:14 #topic Last week's stats 12:04:20 can we have ice tea ? it is quite warm here :-) 12:04:35 RIP ryan's laptop 12:04:37 .hello ryanlerch 12:04:38 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' 12:04:42 cverna: no. hot coffee every day 12:05:00 it just started swapping and then GNOME froze 12:05:11 #info Week of June 17: 61.1K pageviews, about average, a little up from week previous 12:05:12 too many vms running it seems 12:05:16 yikes 12:06:21 cverna: I feel for you.. we have a week of 35 C+ temperatures here, but with the high humidity it feels like 45C+ 12:06:56 * pingou feels good 12:06:56 chilly 15 C here today :) 12:07:01 Unfortunately our Jupyter article didn't come in -- the author said he'd be able to work on it but not until this coming weekend 12:07:13 yes we have around 31C here today 12:07:13 ryanlerch: 😝 12:07:41 i did a quick edit of the RPM one in pending before, and was trying to do the image when my laptop froze :) 12:07:51 Ah, nice! 12:08:01 Might as well #topic over for that 12:08:03 #topic Pending review 12:08:09 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 12:08:11 wasnt sure if we +1ed it, but figured we could use it for today if we wanted to 12:08:14 #info --- RPM packages --- 12:08:28 ryanlerch: can you post the public preview link 12:08:48 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28479&preview=1&_ppp=d0ed0a75e8 12:10:11 * stickster just did a quick scan 12:10:30 There are some improvements that could be made but it's a pretty darn good draft! 12:10:57 i tried to get most of the i / we's out of it already 12:11:23 +1 to using the post this week... do we want to shoot for today or hold for tomorrow? 12:11:32 +1 from me too 12:11:40 +1 too :) 12:12:52 +1 tomorrow i think 12:13:11 OK. ryanlerch I may be able to give it another pass later today 12:13:26 A lot of meetings but a couple of them are listen-only 12:14:05 stickster: i can do the image tonight. the one there are the moment is old and has been used before 12:14:15 ryanlerch: agreed 12:14:28 #action ryanlerch finish image for RPM post, stickster to assist with editing and schedule for tomorrow 12:14:44 #topic Drafts for review 12:14:49 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 12:15:05 #info Only the Jupyter post here, and we know status of that already, author will hopefully submit something this weekend 12:16:05 #topic Pitches to review 12:16:13 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post 12:16:30 Sadly, nothing new here either :-( 12:16:48 we seem to be in the customary summer slump 12:17:02 (or winter slump if you're ryanlerch) :-) 12:17:32 I have read this blog post yesterday https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2019/06/24/on-the-road-to-fedora-workstation-31/ and thought that could be a good one for the magazine 12:18:11 cverna: Oh, good catch! Are you suggesting a "newsy" post that points to that blog? 12:18:50 yeah I think that could be cool 12:18:56 +1 12:19:18 +1 on Wayland 12:20:24 * bcotton has a couple of ideas expanding on areas i touched on in my "making of f30" article 12:20:44 #agreed go with an "newsy" post pointing to cschaller's latest blog on Workstation 31 12:22:03 jakfrost: any chance you want to write this one up? "Newsy" posts as we sometimes call them aren't very long. They typically just have an introduction and a few paragraphs that point off to the news item elsewhere. Basically, clickbait :-D 12:22:14 bcotton++ 12:22:20 * jakfrost is working out how to move an existing Fedora WS to Silverblue and keep your /home 12:22:31 bcotton++ 12:22:31 jakfrost: Karma for bcotton changed to 14 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:22:31 jakfrost: ooo, that sounds cool 12:23:26 jakfrost: is that for an upcoming article? 12:23:39 * jakfrost it is cool but I am trying to cover three different scenarios, default setup of WS, custom partitioning of WS, then LUKS encrypted LVM 12:24:12 * jakfrost right now I am struggling with my hardware, it is not cooperating 12:24:36 jakfrost: You could consider breaking up into two parts... 1. the basics and the default setup; 2. the more complicated things (what changes) 12:25:01 stickster: yeah I was thinking it would have to go that way. 12:25:16 cverna: Do you want to take the newsy post or I could volunteer to do it? 12:25:48 stickster: I am don't think I ll have the time for it, so if you can take it that would be cool :) 12:25:53 * jakfrost I am also working on using awk/gawk and bash to restore a Silverblue system from a Borg backup 12:26:02 me neither but I'll go for it!! 12:26:10 :-P 12:26:14 #action stickster do newsy post for cschaller blog on Workstation 31 12:26:41 #topic Open floor 12:26:57 just threw in a pitch for the firefox 68 release that is slated for early july 12:26:59 OK, time to wrack brains for content. bcotton, did you want to talk about the ideas? 12:27:23 * jakfrost jumped the gun (again) 12:28:10 stickster: sure. i was going to write in greater depth about the blocker bug process, and maybe one about release milestones 12:28:11 jakfrost: interested in seeing more on that idea. It seems like a rather esoteric use case for awk 12:28:18 more general than "here's how they happened in f30" 12:28:27 and maybe one on the change proposal process, too? 12:29:41 bcotton: there's a unifying thread there... those are all things that most members of the public never concern themselves with. The Magazine has historically tried not to be too "navel gazing" about Fedora *processes* 12:30:10 right. this was ankur's "behind the scenes" idea 12:30:30 i'm very okay with "nah, this isn't appropriate" and figure if we *do* run them, they'd be relatively spaced out 12:30:58 Just my $.02, I'd be interested to see if one or more of these can be oriented toward "how you could get involved as an interested non-inner-circle person" 12:31:10 that's a good angle to take :-) 12:31:13 stickster: I was wanting to tie in both the Borg Backup article I did and the awk article 12:31:33 magazine-as-contributor-recruitment 12:31:42 At this point, it's hard to turn down anything ;-) 12:32:26 stickster: i'll probably just sit down and write them at some point. if they're not useful for magazine, having them written down will be useful for me in other venues anyway 12:32:45 i think a change propolsa process one couold be spun to be of somewhat interent to users... 12:32:49 so basically it's "ben writes things and gives magazine right of first refusal" 12:33:00 "how you get your new features" 12:33:12 without going too much down into the proposal weeds maybe 12:33:55 ryanlerch++ 12:34:00 ack, that sounds pretty good to me 12:34:03 like a brewery tour, but you arent allowed behind the rope 12:34:07 YES 12:34:43 the blocker process one could take a similar approach: how we make day 0 not suck for you and how you can help 12:35:12 like a distillery tour and at the end you get to dunk a bottle of makers mark into the wax? (this analogy needs improvement) 12:35:31 we have a few things to do with fedocal, nuancier and badges (port to python3, fedora-messaging etc ), I was thinking about an article that present these application and invite people that are interested to come and help us with this work 12:36:16 we talked to a Friday with Infra where we would be available to help community members to contribute to some of our apps 12:36:17 cverna++ 12:36:17 jakfrost: Karma for cverna changed to 15 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:36:21 cverna: IMHO, community blog for that 12:36:58 cverna: agreed that commblog might be a better fit for that, and probably until after infra unveils plans 12:36:58 ryanlerch: yes that's why I present the idea here, I am not 100% convince it is right for the magazine 12:37:42 yeah its a few steps too removed from the user for the magazine (IMO) 12:37:47 yeah, I'd agree with that 12:38:03 ok :) 12:38:07 cverna, ryanlerch: otoh, coming back to magazine-as-contributor-recruitment, it might be a way to bring in people who are interested in those things but are not currently in the community 12:38:31 like promoting a tour for the bottlecap factory on the side of a beer. 12:38:39 * ryanlerch is done now 12:38:52 ryanlerch: haha :) 12:39:02 ryanlerch: i like where you're going with this 12:39:53 lol. 12:39:55 speaking of changes 12:40:00 bottlecaps-- 12:40:12 We also need to come up with things to publish next week :-) 12:40:20 dropping i686 has been proposed again. thinking ahead to the F31 release, it might be good to have an article about that and what it means 12:40:33 stickster: i have an idea for that! 12:40:58 bcotton: i'm +1 on this idea 12:41:24 Is there any firmness around i686? AIUI Ubuntu proposed and backed off, I wonder if we will do the same even though we kind of "demoted" i686 a while ago at least from kernel POV 12:41:25 i'm going to bond my wifi and ethernet interfaces so that my networking isn't a weird when i unplug from the dock. assuming i get it to work, which should be pretty straightforward, i'll write it up 12:41:45 bcotton: That talk raises the fears of the gaming community and loss of 32 bit support 12:41:45 bcotton: neat idea! 12:41:53 +1 on i686 12:41:57 +1 on bonding 12:42:21 stickster: Ubuntu was going to drop the userspace, too. we're only proposing to drop the kernel. it was proposed a few years ago, people said "no you can't!" and promptly didn't step up to do anything about it 12:42:36 the usual, then ;-) 12:42:36 (that's not true. they made a mailing list) 12:42:39 exactly! 12:42:52 I'm +1 on dropping the kernel 12:43:04 same as when it was proposed a couple years ago ;-) 12:43:14 I run 64 bit across the board, so I'm okay too 12:43:37 I have some i686 machines. 12:43:39 even gamers will be fine, they can still get multilib packages for gaming support... and show me a serious gamer who's running 32-bit HW. 12:43:58 But they are used for specialized application (print server, etc). 12:44:06 There are a lot of 32 bit hardware still being used though, and a good portion are on a 'nix distro of some sort 12:44:14 TBH, and weridly, i think some of these dicussions on devel (like dropping 32 bit support) acutally fit into the magazine 12:44:29 stickster: for sure, just sayin' 12:45:04 ryanlerch: yep. An article about the pros, cons, and internal struggles of dropping i686 12:45:04 The fact that some HW out there is still 32bit is not a cogent argument for any community distro to continue new kernel support for it 12:45:23 agreed stickster! 12:45:47 Certainly not for Intel. 32-bit ARM is another story. 12:45:49 sdgathman: exactly :-D 12:46:03 capturing agreements... 12:46:23 +1 12:46:29 #agreed approved: bcotton pitch on "how those new features/changes get into Fedora" 12:46:43 bcotton, def raise any more dicussions on devel that might be of interest from users too 12:46:44 agree 12:47:15 ryanlerch: will do. i am a magical information conduit 12:47:38 #agreed approved: bcotton pitch on "bond wifi to ethernet for easier networking mobility" 12:47:52 ditto 12:48:04 #agreed approved: bcotton pitch on "struggling with i686 droppage and what it means to you" 12:48:16 * sdgathman looks sadly at the 32-bit Intel laptop currently acting as mesh node... 12:48:21 does this mean i just volunteered to write the i686 article? 12:48:29 stickster: loving these working titles... 12:48:29 bcotton: CONGRATULATIONS 12:48:36 sdgathman: lol 12:48:53 i aslo have a quick topic after we do the schedule... 12:49:14 #agreed approved: jakfrost pitch on "moving your Workstation to Silverblue" (possibly 2 parts) 12:49:35 * jakfrost starting work on the first part today 12:49:41 ryanlerch: We don't have much of a schedule, so go ahead :-) 12:50:02 So far I have: tomorrow, RPM; Friday, newsy Workstaiton 31. 12:50:28 jsut wondering in anyone else has any ideas of projects we should track to cover on the magazine when they release (and get put into fedora) 12:50:41 obviously, fireforx, but any others 12:50:43 ? 12:50:54 and GNOME 12:51:15 was thinking maybe also cockpit, and ansible. 12:51:17 KDE, maybe? 12:51:28 LibreOffice, Ansible, CRI-O tools 12:51:48 and maybe a collection of developer tools (in a single article: glibc, gcc, langauges, etc)? 12:51:51 OKD if it ever moves from 3.11 12:52:04 i guess it depends in part on what "user" we're wanting to target 12:52:06 bcotton: those don't typically move together though 12:52:27 stickster: right, but a roundup once or twice a year of "hey, did you notice these things?" 12:52:50 i was more thinking of upstream projects that relese, and typically get packaged straight away into fedora stable 12:52:55 harder to do for the author, which means more beneficial to the reader 12:52:58 Yeah, like "user-facing and shiny" 12:53:07 Possibly something on the open source CAD offerings such as FreCad or OpenSCad 12:54:29 okies, will take this list, and investigate the schedules of these projects, and report back next meeting 12:55:11 it's just some easy fodder, and helps re-inforce that fedora has the new shinies quite often 12:55:43 ryanlerch++ 12:55:43 jakfrost: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:56:30 OK, we're going to have to wing it next week I guess. I have to run for a meeting. 12:56:38 ryanlerch: Are you OK to close out here? 12:56:51 I can send notes to the list within an hour 12:57:06 stickster: sure! thanks! 12:57:20 we have RPM romorrow, and that is about it, right? 12:57:33 #idea publishing: Thursday - RPM; Friday (or Monday if emergency) - News on Workstation 31. Wing it rest of week 12:57:40 * stickster out 12:57:47 +1 12:57:49 +1 12:57:54 +1 12:58:24 we can discuss on the list the wing-ing it procedure. 12:58:53 #agreed publishing: Thursday - RPM; Friday (or Monday if emergency) - News on Workstation 31. Wing it rest of week 12:59:11 anyone have anything else? 12:59:24 Got nothing right now 12:59:31 5 12:59:36 4 12:59:41 3 12:59:45 2 12:59:50 1 12:59:59 #endmeeting