12:00:12 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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12:00:14 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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12:00:17 <stickster> #topic Roll call
12:00:19 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:00:21 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
12:00:21 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:00:24 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
12:00:47 <stickster> #info both asamalik and cverna are out on leave
12:00:52 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch asamalik cverna
12:00:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:00:55 <stickster> (just in case)
12:03:18 <stickster> #info Last week's stats
12:03:28 <stickster> oh darn it
12:03:29 <stickster> #undo
12:03:29 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 12:03:18 : Last week's stats
12:03:35 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
12:04:20 <stickster> #info Week of July 8: > 90K page views, *WAY UP*! Seems to be due to HackerNews picking up Silverblue article
12:04:29 <stickster> ryanlerch: thanks for figuring that out
12:04:56 <ryanlerch> yeah, we sometimes get a little bump on some posts from there
12:05:06 <ryanlerch> but nothing like that before i dont think
12:05:20 <stickster> Silverblue is pretty different and thus controversial maybe?
12:05:57 <ryanlerch> yeah, the comments were pretty calm compared to normal
12:06:05 <stickster> ryanlerch: What does it take to get onto that site? Just a submission?
12:06:09 <ryanlerch> IIRC the rpm one was on there
12:06:33 <ryanlerch> and all the comments were "this doesnt explain anything i didnt already know"
12:06:36 <ryanlerch> sigh
12:06:46 <stickster> ha, can't win
12:06:47 <ryanlerch> stickster: TBH, not really sure
12:08:11 <stickster> Well, maybe if we have other "interesting tech" articles, that would be a good place to submit
12:08:41 <stickster> #idea Try submitting the next article we have on interesting tech there, to see what happens
12:08:49 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
12:09:05 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
12:09:18 <stickster> #info --- Blockchain/ethereum ---
12:09:26 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28849&preview=1&_ppp=f102ade231
12:09:31 <ryanlerch> yeah, not sure about this one...
12:09:35 <stickster> This looks entirely new and I don't recall a pitch on it either.
12:09:47 <ryanlerch> i cant recall if there wast anything on the list about it
12:10:02 <stickster> Yeah, this looks like a link farm for someone else's site
12:11:18 <stickster> I can take the action to email the authors and figure out what their goal is here
12:11:33 <ryanlerch> yeah, i'm inclined to think the worst here TBH
12:11:43 <stickster> me too, although maybe we're both just cynical today :-D
12:11:48 <ryanlerch> it's not super fedora related anyway
12:11:53 <stickster> nope
12:12:18 <stickster> Their account also hasn't signed the FPCA
12:12:41 <stickster> just evidence to me this may be a drive-by marketingy thing
12:12:57 <stickster> #action stickster email the blockchain article author and see what' sup
12:13:07 <ryanlerch> +1
12:13:26 <stickster> The good news is we may have numerous drafts in
12:13:30 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
12:13:36 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
12:14:38 <stickster> #info --- podman ---
12:14:46 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28794&preview=1&_ppp=f95cd95205
12:15:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: sorry, gonna be cynical again. Given this came in as a big "Classic" blog, and it mainly features *buntu, I'm guessing it's a copypasta from another source
12:16:46 <ryanlerch> https://suruchidharma.wordpress.com/
12:17:33 <stickster> It's not terrible coverage, but it's also not that enlightening, and it's not Fedora specific either
12:17:39 <ryanlerch> seems like a copypasta from the submitting author's blog
12:17:43 <stickster> Again, this doesn't seem to have come with a pitch or anything.
12:18:04 <ryanlerch> yeah, basically a re-write to just field the concept
12:18:10 <ryanlerch> -1 from me
12:18:52 <ryanlerch> we also have this already https://fedoramagazine.org/running-containers-with-podman/
12:19:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/OWPEXVTP2GTYIP2INU6DKXQBCXIZRR73/#OWPEXVTP2GTYIP2INU6DKXQBCXIZRR73
12:20:25 <stickster> This doesn't look like what we asked for
12:20:46 <ryanlerch> hmmm, so....
12:20:48 <stickster> #action stickster respond to suruchi asking again for a different spin on this topic
12:20:51 <ryanlerch> *no
12:21:03 <ryanlerch> not so :)
12:21:06 <ryanlerch> sorry
12:21:22 <stickster> #info --- chntpw ---
12:21:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28801&preview=1&_ppp=982d19c76f
12:21:38 <stickster> This one *was* pitched and approved, and a draft is in from Shaun Assam!
12:22:13 <stickster> I checked this out last night and it's pretty darn good!
12:22:31 * stickster could edit this while sitting in next meeting and get it ready for Friday
12:23:18 <ryanlerch> stickster: awesome! Shaun alweays does solid stuff!
12:23:43 <stickster> #action stickster edit chntpw article and get it ready for Friday pub
12:23:52 <ryanlerch> thanks for doing this one, its a bit outta my knowledgespace!
12:24:08 <stickster> I actually used that utility in a past life :-D
12:24:22 <stickster> #info --- virt-manager ---
12:24:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28680&preview=1&_ppp=aae75d9b12
12:25:33 <stickster> I would have liked to see something more on Boxes here, but it's not bad as it is
12:25:42 <stickster> We don't have any current articles on virt-manager AFAICT
12:26:00 <ryanlerch> no i dont think we do...
12:26:12 <ryanlerch> yeah, the only mention of boxes is at the very end
12:26:20 <ryanlerch> i can edit this one up
12:26:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: Do you want to take this one on for Monday? Maybe add a blurb at the end and a screenshot for how to get and try Boxes if all this is too complex
12:27:18 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes for monday, and agreed with the blurb
12:28:22 <stickster> #action ryanlerch edit the virt-manager article and get ready for Monday pub
12:28:36 <stickster> #info --- HDYF ---
12:28:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28751&preview=1&_ppp=30772819d2
12:29:03 <stickster> This looks like incomplete/in progress, let's give cprofitt some time
12:29:23 <ryanlerch> clearly a WIP, but +1 to every HDYF from cprofitt :)
12:29:26 <stickster> #agreed give HDYF article some time to come together, insta-approved as a series entry
12:29:41 <stickster> #info --- drop-down terminals ---
12:29:42 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28697&preview=1&_ppp=3fab88659d
12:30:13 <stickster> This also looks to be WIP. It needs at least one more entry and the screenshots for TILDA are clearly placeholders for later content still. Give it more time?
12:31:18 <ryanlerch> agreed for more time!
12:32:05 <stickster> #agreed give drop-down article some more time to finish
12:32:17 <stickster> #action stickster email drop-down terminal author to see if they're still working on it
12:32:26 <stickster> #info --- bitwarden/podman ---
12:32:31 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28543&preview=1&_ppp=4495858e05
12:32:58 <stickster> This one is ready for editing -- author emailed the list earlier!
12:33:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'll take this one I guess?
12:34:09 <stickster> Shouldn't be too hard to try out
12:34:35 <ryanlerch> lol, you heard the whoosh of this goin gover my head? ;)
12:34:43 <ryanlerch> thanks stickster!
12:34:48 <stickster> hahaha
12:34:50 <stickster> #action stickster edit the bitwarden article and get ready for Wednesday pub
12:35:07 <stickster> #info --- openSCAP ---
12:35:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28657&preview=1&_ppp=80e1c851cc
12:35:26 <stickster> #info openSCAP article is just an unstarted pitch, pass for now
12:35:35 <stickster> #undo
12:35:35 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 12:35:26 : openSCAP article is just an unstarted pitch, pass for now
12:35:43 <stickster> #info openSCAP article is just an unstarted article from an approved pitch, pass for now
12:35:51 <ryanlerch> rsync one seems the same too
12:36:19 <stickster> yeah
12:36:22 <stickster> #info --- rsync ---
12:36:31 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28647&preview=1&_ppp=093fa8305e
12:36:40 <stickster> #info rsync article is unstarted from an approved pitch, pass for now
12:37:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: there is still supposed to be a Magazine article coming for the new Fedora CoreOS release -- maybe you could keep an eye out for that and take it?
12:37:45 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
12:38:03 <stickster> ryanlerch: If so, let's publish that ASAP, and if it doesn't come in until tomorrow, publish it Friday, and push everything back to next week
12:38:12 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
12:38:14 <stickster> (you might need to re-schedule the one I'm editing for Friday now)
12:38:21 <ryanlerch> was that discussed on the list?
12:38:26 <ryanlerch> i dont recall seeing it
12:38:58 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm not sure. I asked for it to be brought here or to the list but I haven't seen it.
12:39:04 <ryanlerch> or, who should i ask about it?
12:39:27 <stickster> I don't see sanja on this channel, but I don't know her nick, maybe mattdm does
12:39:49 <stickster> Benjamin from the CoreOS folks was writing the draft, I heard
12:39:52 <ryanlerch> okies, have talked tosanja in the past, will email
12:40:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: cool, ideally it would be good if the writer emails our list for transparency
12:40:31 <stickster> It's a Fedora release so obviously it's a great thing to publicize
12:40:55 <stickster> #action ryanlerch will contact Sanja Bonic about the forthcoming Fedora CoreOS release announcement
12:41:12 <stickster> #topic Open floor / all other business
12:41:21 <stickster> #info --- WPEngine migration ---
12:42:05 <stickster> #info Jason Brooks (jbrooks) has been working on this in the background for a bit. Apparently the migration is pretty solid, I tried it out and everything seemed in total order
12:42:31 <stickster> The point of doing this was to get one more thing off Fedora infra's plate and onto a service that someone else takes care of
12:42:32 <ryanlerch> even fas openid?
12:42:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yes!
12:42:52 <stickster> It logged me in through Ipsilon and eveyrthing
12:43:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramag.wpengine.com/
12:43:20 <stickster> (Note, the content is an older dump so some newer articles are missing)
12:43:38 <misc> speaking of which, jbrooks asked me to see the migration Fedora infra side
12:43:51 <ryanlerch> looks good. appears to be the same ryanlerch here too
12:44:05 <ryanlerch> i.e. the same user, which is good
12:44:18 <stickster> note that the Jetpack is not hooked up right now because it's a duplicate site. We can fix that when migration is final
12:44:46 <stickster> Also, we can now manage plugins/updates directly through the interface which is nice
12:45:28 <stickster> #action stickster ask jbrooks whether we will have access to do a site point backup
12:45:30 * ryanlerch wonders if auto-tweeting will work now too
12:45:44 <stickster> misc: Cool -- I think one thing we'd need is the DNS changed
12:46:09 <misc> stickster: so, you no longer want to use Fedora load balancer ?
12:46:11 <stickster> I don't know how the wpengine site would present the new hostname though
12:46:34 <stickster> misc: WPEngine handles all that AFAIK, but I need someone knowledgeable to find out. Don't ask me for the complicated back end details :-)
12:46:52 <ryanlerch> iirc, wpengine also does all the cdn stuff too
12:47:08 <stickster> All I know is, I log into WordPress and help with writing, editing, and occasionally SSH to the current fedorainfracloud box to add or update a plugin
12:47:27 <stickster> ryanlerch: that was my understanding too
12:48:05 <stickster> misc: I can describe the end state we want -- which is that when someone types http[s]://fedoramagazine.org into their browser, we want them to see the new wpengine site
12:48:06 <ryanlerch> this looks super promising!
12:48:06 <misc> are you using awstats for the hit on the blog ?
12:48:22 <stickster> misc: no, we simply use jetpack which is built in and connected through WP.com
12:48:27 <ryanlerch> afaik, the only stats we use are jetpack
12:48:44 <misc> ok, i guess I will see with fedora infra if there is something missing
12:49:15 <misc> also, jbrooks told me that the switch would be announced in advance, how much delay do you want ?
12:50:10 <stickster> misc: It would probably be a good idea for us to set a date for swapping over to the new site. Doing it while we're at Flock is a bad idea :-D
12:50:24 <ryanlerch> stickster: i wonder if wpengine has stats too, rather than jetpack
12:50:38 <misc> stickster: depend, if all go well, we can celebrate
12:50:41 <ryanlerch> iirc, the stats is the only thing we use jetpack for
12:50:43 <stickster> Maybe we can agree on something like July 31
12:50:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: yeah, that and akismet I think.
12:50:59 <stickster> (spam blocking)
12:51:34 <stickster> Oh, it also does downtime monitoring
12:52:12 <stickster> but it's all OK because it comes for free on the WPEngine site as well.
12:53:40 <stickster> misc: We probably want some idea from infra whether things can be handled fairly easily for DNS and the swapover, and whether the WPEngine site can properly show the fedoramagazine.org hostname.
12:54:03 <stickster> After that, we could set a date and plan announcements to the list. The public doesn't need to be aware of it and shouldn't care.
12:54:14 <misc> stickster: just changing the backend on haproxy seems to be the easiest, since that would be immediate and painless
12:54:33 <misc> then we can change the DNS after and remove the setup on infra side, once we are sure nothing break
12:54:59 <stickster> I'm for whatever's easy, and whatever takes the most work off infra's plate in the long term
12:55:49 <stickster> #action misc to check with Fedora infra team on how we can achieve the end goal, which is that fm.o should point to the new site (users should notice no difference in their browser bar)
12:56:20 <stickster> Anything else to discuss today?
12:57:04 <stickster> misc++
12:57:05 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for misc changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:57:09 <stickster> other than giving out cookies :-D
12:57:17 <ryanlerch> misc++
12:57:17 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for misc changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:57:24 <ryanlerch> nothing from me, stickster
12:57:43 <stickster> OK then, let's get to work on articles and next week we should have at least one more editor back at work :-D
12:57:56 <stickster> Thanks for coming ryanlerch, see you in the funny papers ;-)
12:58:02 <stickster> #endmeeting