18:01:06 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL (2019-08-21)
18:01:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 21 18:01:06 2019 UTC.
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18:01:06 <smooge> #meetingname epel
18:01:06 <smooge> #topic Chair and Introductions
18:01:06 <smooge> #chair bstinson Evolution nirik smooge pgreco tdawson
18:01:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson nirik pgreco smooge tdawson
18:01:15 <sgallagh> .hello2
18:01:15 <smooge> Hello all who are available today
18:01:16 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com>
18:01:38 <bstinson> whoa, wednesday already
18:01:40 <pgreco> hi everyone
18:01:53 <Evolution> it's been a long week for it to just be wednesday
18:02:27 <smooge> today is the 233rd Monday of the year
18:03:01 <smooge> #topic EPEL-7.7
18:03:42 <smooge> OK RHEL-7.7 came out a couple of weeks ago and I think we have gotten past most of the headaches from that release. I haven't seen any new ones listed on irc or lists
18:03:55 <smooge> Does anyone have any that need looking at?
18:04:18 <pgreco> yeap, it looks calmer now
18:05:53 <nirik> morning. sorry I am llate
18:05:58 <smooge> #topic EPEL-6.10
18:06:33 * smooge tries to remember the eol thing for centbot/zodbot and fails
18:06:53 <smooge> #info EPEL-6 will end of life in a year and some months.
18:06:59 <pgreco> @c6eol
18:07:02 <nirik> fedbot: rhel6eol
18:07:29 <smooge> #info fedbot> RHEL 6 entered Maintenance Support 2 (see https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata/ ) on May 10th 2017 and now only receives critical updates. It will go EOL on 30 Nov, 2020 -- in 1 year, 29 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 14 minutes, and 19 seconds
18:07:58 <smooge> Any questions or items on EL6?
18:08:23 <smooge> #topic EPEL-8.0
18:09:15 <smooge> #info EPEL-8.0 was released last Wednesday. It had had ~650 users as of 2 days ago
18:09:50 <sgallagh> Impressive!
18:09:51 <smooge> 3 stock centos systems and 1 container
18:10:21 <pgreco> you can count me as one of those centos :)
18:10:28 <pgreco> so far, so good
18:10:38 * Pharaoh_Atem waves
18:10:41 <Pharaoh_Atem> .hello ngompa
18:10:43 <zodbot> Pharaoh_Atem: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
18:10:50 * nirik wonders how far tdawson got on kde
18:12:20 <smooge> so on the finish of the EPEL-8.0. We are doing a retrospective next week which will get published afterwords. I will be handing over the 8.1 project reigns to one of three people sgallagh, merlin or karsten hopp. They will be fighting it out in a battle royale using cbots
18:12:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> ooh, sounds like fun
18:13:03 <smooge> at the moment the big EPEL-8 items are needing to get packages branched and built
18:13:28 <smooge> the 8.1 items will be getting modularity into the build system somehow
18:13:44 <Evolution> crowbar
18:13:48 <Evolution> and a large hammer
18:14:24 <smooge> that works better than my RP1, NH3NO3 mixture
18:14:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> some anvils may be necessary
18:15:04 <sgallagh> I'm looking into borrowing Mjolnir for a few weeks
18:15:13 <smooge> sgallagh, do you want a section of future meetings about this?
18:15:31 <sgallagh> smooge: As in a standing agenda item?
18:16:12 <smooge> yes. I realize it will be you, merlin (IRC name not found in memory bank) or karsten (IRC name not found in memory bank)
18:16:27 <smooge> but since I could remember your IRC name.. I am going with you at the moment
18:16:35 <sgallagh> merlinm and karsten FTR
18:16:39 <smooge> promotion by dementia
18:17:20 <sgallagh> Given that it will be the primary thrust of 8.1, I think covering it under "8.1 Status" should be sufficient
18:18:18 <smooge> okie dokie
18:19:14 <smooge> #info sgallagh made updates to grobisplitter which will be deployed to production tomorrow.
18:19:49 <smooge> other than that I don't have much for this weeks meeting
18:19:58 <smooge> #topic Open Floor
18:20:00 <sgallagh> We are discussing whether it needs further changes. Currently in a private thread, but should probably move it somewhere public.
18:20:13 <bstinson> sgallagh: (somewhat off-topic) are you/your team maintaining grobisplitter from here on?
18:20:56 <smooge> i will never give it up completely
18:21:15 <smooge> oh yeah
18:21:31 <pgreco> for open floor, I have one question regarding aarch64 and rhel deprecation
18:21:40 <smooge> #info grobisplitter has moved from puiterwijk github to Fedora Modularity github
18:21:45 <sgallagh> bstinson: By the “last touched it” rule, I think so
18:21:59 <sgallagh> We formally moved it into the Modularity organization anyway
18:22:00 <nirik> smooge: never gonna give it up? never got have it let you down?
18:22:03 * nirik runs
18:22:20 <bstinson> nose goes
18:22:43 <bstinson> but i'll have a couple of patches that i can submit, i think
18:22:52 * smooge thanks nirik for re-embedding it in his psyche
18:22:53 <sgallagh> Happy to review them
18:23:08 <Pharaoh_Atem> sgallagh: I'm working on a way to plug that into OBS enablement myself as well
18:23:25 <Pharaoh_Atem> not sure how to fit that with the grobisplitter code, but we can certainly discuss how to handle that
18:23:32 <sgallagh> Ack. I’ll do what I can to support you
18:24:30 <Pharaoh_Atem> how bad would it be if it was organized as a proper python program? with module folder where we could add "modules" for koji, obs, and copr?
18:25:18 <sgallagh> Pharaoh_Atem: I'm fine with that. Right now it's basically just a simple script.
18:25:33 <sgallagh> I was planning to do some more refactoring and make it use setuptools as well
18:25:43 <Pharaoh_Atem> sgallagh: so that's what I had started working on before you told me you were doing some major changes
18:26:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> figured it wouldn't be worth the trouble to deal with merging things around and such
18:26:12 <sgallagh> Pharaoh_Atem: My "major changes" were a rewrite of the default streams code
18:26:26 <sgallagh> Those are in, so if you want to rebase atop that, go ahead
18:26:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes, but rebasing is... painful when the code is chunked up differently
18:26:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'll do that then and hopefully have something to propose in the coming days
18:26:52 <sgallagh> Pharaoh_Atem++
18:26:55 <smooge> ok so before we sideline down this.. I would like to get to pgreco's points
18:27:08 <sgallagh> smooge: I think we're done here for now.
18:27:16 <sgallagh> We can take it to #fedora-modularity
18:27:19 <smooge> pgreco, oooh the big ugly thing
18:27:30 <pgreco> basically, I don't know how this affects builders
18:27:33 <smooge> #info RHEL-7.7 ended support for aarch64 and ppc64le-power9
18:27:46 <pgreco> if we don't have the same packages
18:28:00 <pgreco> power9 shouldn't be a problem, since it is ppc64le
18:28:14 <pgreco> but aarch64 might be a headache
18:28:26 <smooge> it is going to be a big headache
18:28:53 <smooge> at the moment all the aarch64 packages are being built against RHEL-7.6 while all the other arches are built against RHEL-7.7
18:29:17 <Pharaoh_Atem> anyway guys, g2g
18:29:18 <Pharaoh_Atem> bbl
18:29:37 <cyberpear> build against 7.6 EUS stream for those arch? seems like it will break at some point
18:29:52 <smooge> we don't have access to EUS
18:30:19 <smooge> and I don't know if they did EUS for alt-arch
18:30:33 <pgreco> right now, aarch64 is only EUS
18:30:46 <pgreco> at least, that is what I think RN said
18:31:00 <nirik> I guess we could just keep building it until it blows up, then ask people to move to 8? or ask them now...
18:31:23 <smooge> trying to get the number of aarch64 people we see in mirrors data
18:31:30 <Evolution> let me raise that as an issue to RH and see if they have an opinion
18:31:50 <smooge> pgreco, will there be a 7 for CentOS-7
18:32:13 <pgreco> that is the idea, yes
18:32:31 <nirik> hum.
18:32:34 <smooge> so currently we look to have about 450 aarch64 users of 7
18:32:40 <nirik> so, looking at it, 7.7 is available for those....
18:32:40 <pgreco> we're playing with the idea of using the same userspace as the other arches
18:32:46 <pgreco> and backporting c8 kernel
18:32:48 <nirik> but updates are only z-stream
18:32:57 <nirik> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html-single/7.7_release_notes/index#architectures
18:33:10 <nirik> so, if we can get the z-stream updates we should be ok?
18:33:38 <Evolution> smooge: how many ppc64le users are there for epel7?
18:33:44 <pgreco> nirik, if there is no srpm overlap, it should be ok
18:34:11 <nirik> pgreco: yeah. or srpm differences... but I would hope not...
18:34:47 <pgreco> theory says there shouldn't be....
18:34:57 <nirik> yeah.
18:35:15 <smooge> Evolution, 250
18:36:05 <Evolution> thanks.
18:37:26 <pgreco> with ppc64le, they only deprecated the kernel-alt (power9), so userspace is not a problem
18:38:18 <nirik> yeah, so I would say we should try and get the z-stream updates for aarch64 / power9 and hope they don't mess up the srpm flow between that and the rest.
18:38:37 <smooge> plan-Z would be to move epel-7 aarch64 to a centos koji.mbox which does i386/armhfp and aarch64 :)
18:38:54 <pgreco> ohhh, I like that!
18:40:28 <smooge> ok I think we can explore this more next week with what we are doing etc
18:40:54 <smooge> anything else for open flood?
18:42:50 <smooge> ok in that case, thank you all for your time this week. see you all next week
18:42:53 <smooge> #endmeeting