16:00:08 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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16:00:17 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:00:26 * kparal is not here
16:00:41 <tablepc> Yes you are I see you
16:00:43 <adamw> .fire kparal for lying
16:00:43 <zodbot> adamw fires kparal for lying
16:00:50 <coremodule> see, there he goes
16:00:57 * coremodule is happy and here.
16:01:03 <adamw> .fires tflink for walking by
16:01:09 <adamw> .fire tflink for walking by
16:01:09 <zodbot> adamw fires tflink for walking by
16:01:29 <adamw> tim and I are in the brno office this week, so expect shenanigans
16:01:32 <tablepc> .hello
16:01:32 <zodbot> tablepc: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
16:01:41 <tablepc> .hello2
16:01:42 <zodbot> tablepc: tablepc 'Pat Kelly' <pmkellly@frontier.com>
16:01:58 <adamw> hey pat
16:02:11 <tablepc> hey back at ya.
16:02:17 <tflink> morning
16:02:17 <lruzicka> .hello2
16:02:18 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
16:02:39 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:02:40 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:02:59 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:03:09 <adamw> "frantisekz to draft wiki changes to implement FESCo's decision on the physical optical media boot Change"
16:03:13 <adamw> i think this is done, right?
16:03:18 <frantisekz> yep, done
16:03:45 <adamw> 🎉🎉
16:03:48 <frantisekz> summary of changed wiki pages is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1788219#c1
16:04:06 <adamw> #info "frantisekz to draft wiki changes to implement FESCo's decision on the physical optical media boot Change" - this is done, a summary of the changes is at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1788219#c1
16:04:38 <adamw> any other follow-up from last week? note we will be covering the SOP and test case drafts in the next topic
16:05:42 <adamw> okay then!
16:06:02 <adamw> #topic Outstanding proposals
16:06:34 <adamw> OK, so we have three obvious things. let's start with the unmount/reboot test case
16:06:44 <adamw> #topic Outstanding proposals: reboot/unmount test case
16:06:47 <adamw> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_testcase_reboot
16:07:14 <adamw> i believe that's the current draft (pat and kparal put some changes on top of my draft)
16:07:39 <adamw> it looks fine to me, and no-one has objected on list
16:07:47 <lruzicka> it looks fine to me, too
16:07:50 <adamw> does anyone have any concerns or notes? if not i'd say we could go ahead and accept this
16:07:51 <tablepc> I sparkles, it shines...
16:08:21 <adamw> as i suggested on list, I think we should call it 'QA:Testcase_base_reboot_unmount' and put it in the Base matrix
16:08:36 <tablepc> Seems right to me.
16:09:01 <adamw> note lruzicka already has an openQA test case lined up for it: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/os-autoinst-distri-fedora/pull-request/138
16:09:24 <lruzicka> yeah, I will only fix some minor issues and it will be ready
16:10:12 <adamw> proposed #agreed with positive feedback and lack of negative feedback both in meeting and on list, we accept the current draft of this testcase and will move it to final name QA:Testcase_base_reboot_unmount and add it to the Base matrix
16:10:37 <tablepc> YEAH!!!
16:10:37 * adamw waits a bit for objections
16:11:06 <adamw> thanks for all your work on this tablepc! much appreciated
16:11:46 <tflink> no objection from me
16:12:09 <adamw> #agreed with positive feedback and lack of negative feedback both in meeting and on list, we accept the current draft of this testcase and will move it to final name QA:Testcase_base_reboot_unmount and add it to the Base matrix
16:12:14 <adamw> ok, next one!
16:14:17 <adamw> tablepc: oh, do you want to make those final changes or should I?
16:14:23 <adamw> (the rename and adding to the matrix)
16:15:10 <tablepc> Well I need to learn how so sure.
16:15:47 <adamw> okay :)
16:15:52 <adamw> poke me for help if you need it
16:16:07 <adamw> #action tablepc to rename the draft to the final name and add it to the matrix
16:16:20 <adamw> #topic Outstanding proposals: sponsor process SOPs
16:17:04 <adamw> #info adamw wrote a pair of draft SOPs for becoming a sponsor and handling membership requests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_sop_becoming_a_sponsor and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_sop_new_member_welcome
16:17:42 <adamw> so far feedback is mostly positive, anyone have thoughts/notes here? if not i'll plan to publish those to 'production' this week and approve alciregi as a sponsor
16:18:30 <tablepc> Sounds good to me
16:19:22 <adamw> #agreed sponsor SOP drafts are approved, adamw will publish them
16:19:45 <adamw> #action adamw to publish sponsor SOP drafts under final names and approve alciregi as a sponsor
16:19:46 <lruzicka> yeah, the proposals are oc
16:19:48 <lruzicka> ok
16:20:07 <adamw> too late, your feedback is ignored!
16:20:10 <adamw> .fire lruzicka for lateness
16:20:10 <zodbot> adamw fires lruzicka for lateness
16:20:15 <adamw> #topic F32 status
16:20:20 <lruzicka> better late than never :D
16:20:58 <adamw> F32 status: mostly working fine, but last couple of composes have failed, bcl has just told us it's some kind of size issue, i will look into it tomorrow - https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/864
16:21:09 <adamw> there are some interesting change proposals currently under discussion on devel@
16:21:36 <adamw> "reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem" will certainly affect deliverables
16:21:58 <adamw> "Enable EarlyOOM" would be a significant behaviour change
16:22:15 <tablepc> Pardon?
16:23:10 <tablepc> OOM?
16:23:28 <tflink> out of memory, no?
16:23:34 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Changes/OptimizeSquashFS look like significant proposed changes
16:23:37 <adamw> yeah
16:23:41 <adamw> see that page for more details
16:23:58 <cmurf> i'm a little on the fence if/when all the implied work for the squashfs stuff can happen for f32
16:24:52 <cmurf> i'm under the impression releng prefers to push big changes to affecting only rawhide composes for a little while and see what shakes out
16:25:15 <adamw> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/firewalld_default_to_nftables gave us trouble the last time it was tried, so we should keep an eye on it
16:25:27 <adamw> cmurf: yeah, that's generally the case
16:26:04 <adamw> would be nice for releng to put in their $0.02 on it i guess
16:26:29 <cmurf> i think you're right that the scope of changes needs to be more clear
16:26:37 <cmurf> so releng can do that
16:26:57 <cmurf> i'm not sure what doesnt get touched :D
16:27:18 <adamw> yeah, i guess it depends on what images actually include a LiveOS file or whatever it is?
16:27:19 <cmurf> anaconda, blivet, all the assembly code in dracut (which is done but perhaps not heavily tested)
16:27:53 <cmurf> yeah i was about to respond to your email, but basically anything that uses squashfs for the payload
16:28:00 <cmurf> so anything with Live in the ISO filename
16:28:08 <adamw> but not other things? well, that's at least a limit
16:28:22 <cmurf> :D
16:28:30 <cmurf> well i'm not sure if it extends to boot.iso
16:28:32 <adamw> alright, so, a few things to keep our eyes on
16:28:37 <adamw> any other notes on f32?
16:28:54 <cmurf> i think there is a little squashfs image in there so it might affect everything booting wise
16:28:56 <tablepc> 0117 wasn't bad
16:31:03 <adamw> sumantro isn't around, it seems, so let's skip the community bit
16:31:12 <adamw> taking us straight to everyone's favourite bit...
16:31:14 <adamw> #topic Open floor
16:31:19 <adamw> any other business or lame injokes?
16:31:58 <adamw> a wild sumantro appeared!
16:32:01 <adamw> sumantro: are you really here?
16:32:07 <cmurf> it's up to our leader to set the proper expectation and quality level for lame injokes :D
16:32:20 <ravindralakal> Hi adamw will I have an onboarding call ?
16:32:22 <adamw> cmurf: the bar is so low as to be pretty much non-existent
16:32:24 <sumantro> YeS1
16:32:25 <adamw> hi ravindra!
16:32:36 <sumantro> hey ravindralakal
16:32:42 <adamw> ravindralakal: the calls are usually a sort of group thing for all new / prospective members who want to join
16:32:48 <adamw> ok, sumantro is here, so let's back up
16:32:56 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
16:32:59 <adamw> #chair sumantro
16:32:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw sumantro
16:33:05 <adamw> sumantro, got a minute to give us an update?
16:33:17 <sumantro> Yes will have an onboarding calls happen close to beta and we will have it soon this cycle
16:33:37 <ravindralakal> Thanks
16:33:46 * bcotton has a question on this topic when the update is done
16:33:47 <sumantro> I was skimming through the changeset and will start setting up the QA test day calendar in a couple of days
16:34:27 <adamw> cool :)
16:34:28 <sumantro> Kernel 5.14 Test Week happened and the result is on the @test list. Thanks jforbes for building the iso
16:34:48 <adamw> ravindralakal: until the onboarding call comes, just ask here and/or on the mailing list if you have any questions or anything
16:34:56 <adamw> +1 thanks jforbes
16:35:02 <sumantro> bcotton, question?
16:35:03 <ravindralakal> Sure
16:35:08 <adamw> #info kernel 5.14 Test Week is complete, and a summary was sent to the mailing list
16:35:19 <adamw> #info sumantro will start looking through the F32 Changes and planning test days soon
16:35:34 <bcotton> sumantro: as part of the spins keepalive process, i see the Test Days Spin. is that something that's still useful? https://pagure.io/fedora-project-schedule/issue/166
16:35:35 <adamw> #info an onboarding call for new members will also be planned soon
16:36:02 <sumantro> bcotton, I have seen that. I never used it ever. adamw do we need that ?
16:36:11 <adamw> yeah, we didn't use it for a bit
16:36:24 <adamw> it had the installer hidden, i think, and...some other customization? i forget what
16:36:28 * adamw looks for the kickstart
16:37:22 <adamw> ok, yeah, it removes anaconda, sets SELinux to permissive, strips some packages to save space, stuff like that
16:37:33 <adamw> at least, it is not intended as a conventional spin, iirc
16:37:46 <adamw> it was more the case that we would produce an image as and when we needed one and sometimes customize it by test day
16:38:09 <adamw> that's why it's in the 'custom' dir, i believe
16:38:14 <bcotton> so it's worth keeping around then?
16:38:33 <adamw> as described, yeah
16:38:42 <sumantro> adamw, i believe we can always keep it as it might be useful
16:38:43 <adamw> but not with the expectation that we build it nightly and ship it as part of the release or anything
16:38:49 <adamw> i guess that's what "ISO: No" means?
16:38:59 <adamw> (on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/32/Spins )
16:39:00 <bcotton> okay. i'll make a note to myself to not bother doing the keepalive for it since it's an "internal" thing
16:39:14 <adamw> thanks
16:39:19 <bcotton> adamw: i guess? that page is mostly copypasta :-)
16:39:26 <adamw> i think considering it a 'Spin' is kinda a stretch/hack relaly
16:39:32 <adamw> it's more just...a kickstart :P
16:39:44 <cmurf> an invisible installation = badass
16:39:53 <adamw> very hard to navigate though :P
16:40:02 <adamw> ok, can we move on/back to open floor?
16:40:48 <tflink> go for it
16:41:07 <adamw> #topic Open floor redux
16:41:26 <adamw> OK, so, once again! anything else, or can we all go drink and pass out (not necessarily in that order)
16:41:39 <tablepc> As I've been running tests on rawhide this time I've been reading the test cases more carefully. There are some that need updates. I will send proposals to the list one at a time.
16:41:47 <sumantro> anyone noticed this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1792262
16:42:13 <adamw> tablepc: that'd be appreciated, they definitely do need looking over from time to time - thanks very much
16:42:47 <tablepc> The stars don't work if tracker miner is not working.
16:43:15 <adamw> do we still (try to) run it by default?
16:43:17 <tflink> my laptop tends to not work well if tracker miner is running :)
16:43:32 <tablepc> yes tracker miner is a default
16:43:52 <tablepc> I turned it off and had to give up stars as the trade.
16:44:28 <adamw> sumantro: did you do that?
16:44:32 <tablepc> F31 haven't checked that on F32
16:44:36 <cmurf> sumantro: good bug report, it should work
16:45:13 <sumantro> F31 works fine
16:45:28 <tablepc> Check tracker miner
16:45:41 <tablepc> on f32
16:46:33 <tablepc> I'll check my F32 and if it fails I'll add to the bug report.
16:46:39 <adamw> i'm not quite sure what steps 5-7 of the reproducer mean
16:46:55 <adamw> when i open the 'starred' view i see the folder i created and dragged into Downloads
16:47:01 <adamw> but from that view i can't create a new folder
16:47:37 <cmurf> there's no "group" concept in bugzilla is there?
16:47:41 <cmurf> for searching?
16:48:11 <adamw> how do you mean group?
16:48:31 <adamw> if you want to mark a bunch of bugs as related, i'd use a whiteboard field
16:48:33 <cmurf> a way to search for bugs made by any fedora qa member
16:49:00 <adamw> oh, that kind of group
16:49:03 <cmurf> bugzilla knows about the qa fas group, for permissions
16:49:03 <sumantro> so if you create a folder ~ and then drag it to Downloads .. then try to star it it appears on the Starred section BUT when you try to create a fresh folder/files in Downloads and then try to star it.. it wont appear
16:49:06 <adamw> don't think so, no.
16:49:11 <cmurf> so it's semi aware of groups but not for searching
16:49:23 <adamw> sumantro: ah, the 'star the new folder' step seems to be missing in the decsription
16:50:03 <sumantro> oh yes :( my bad
16:51:06 <adamw> #info sumantro filed a nautilus bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1792262 , would be good if others can confirm whether they see it too
16:51:17 <adamw> anything else, folks?
16:51:20 <sumantro> btw, I don't know if kana kanji is important to us or not BUT https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1790554
16:52:01 <tablepc> I'll have to check that, I use those from time to time.
16:52:49 <adamw> sumantro: it is, yeah, it's the default input method for japanese and we care about japanese
16:52:57 <adamw> aha
16:53:03 <adamw> but that's probably not a 'bug' exactly
16:53:16 <adamw> kana kanji is an input method, it doesn't exactly have a 'keyboard layout'
16:53:18 <cmurf> by the way, reminder, for the included by default apps on Workstation ISO, the workstation wg wants a higher bar that they launch without crashing and menus work
16:53:48 <cmurf> so like, if you run across a functionality bug that makes no sense or makes the app less than useless, propose it as a blocker
16:54:05 <cmurf> s/that/than
16:54:08 <adamw> gnome could probably improve UI there, but not showing a keyboard layout for an input method is not in itself a bug
16:54:22 <adamw> thanks cmurf
16:54:31 <tablepc> Well, I should be able to use Romanji with a KWERTY or type directly with my japanese keyboard.
16:54:32 <sumantro> adamw got it! thanks
16:55:17 <adamw> tablepc: you can do those things, sumantro was just expecting GNOME to show a keyboard layout illustration like it does for things that are actually keyboard layouts
16:55:18 <tablepc> I have three apps I'll check.
16:55:43 <tablepc> Yes, I check my keyboards.
16:55:49 <adamw> (basically if there's a bug here, it's that GNOME doesn't distinguish between keyboard layouts and input methods in some places it probably could)
16:56:08 <adamw> ok, tim's about to fall asleep and break his laptop so let's wind the meeting up :P
16:56:19 <adamw> thanks for coming everyone!
16:56:25 <cmurf> cya thanks adamw
16:56:27 <kparal> thanks
16:56:27 <sumantro> :P
16:56:29 <tablepc> Have a Great Day!
16:56:30 <tflink> thanks
16:56:31 <tablepc> ttfn
16:56:33 <sumantro> thanks!
16:56:46 <kparal> tflink++
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16:57:09 <adamw> #endmeeting