05:30:33 <paragan> #startmeeting i18n
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05:30:34 <paragan> #meetingname i18n
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05:30:34 <paragan> #topic agenda and roll call
05:30:34 <paragan> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2020-03-24
05:30:47 <suanand> .hello2
05:30:48 <zodbot> suanand: suanand 'Sundeep Anand' <suanand@redhat.com>
05:31:15 <vishal_vvr> Hello
05:31:20 <tagoh> hi
05:31:27 <petersen> hi
05:32:30 <paragan> #chair suanand vishal_vvr tagoh petersen epico
05:32:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico paragan petersen suanand tagoh vishal_vvr
05:32:41 <epico> hi
05:33:50 <paragan> let's start with today's agenda
05:34:15 <paragan> first we will discuss about current Fedora 32 development cycle
05:34:20 <paragan> #topic Upcoming schedule
05:34:25 <pravins> hi
05:34:45 <paragan> The Fedora 32 Beta got released last week
05:35:16 <suanand> aha
05:35:31 <paragan> Hope some of you already tried to update their working system to this release :)
05:35:44 <petersen> oops so it did
05:35:45 <paragan> or you can wait for F32 GA release
05:36:58 <paragan> #info know more about this release in https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-the-release-of-fedora-32-beta/
05:37:34 <paragan> next upcoming milestone is for Final freeze
05:37:44 <paragan> #info 2020-04-07 Final Freeze (starts at 1400 UTC)
05:37:44 <paragan> #info 2020-04-21 Preferred Final Target date
05:37:44 <paragan> #info 2020-04-28 Final Target date #1
05:38:09 <paragan> Still 2 more weeks for final freeze
05:39:31 <paragan> so try to fix all existing F32 bugs
05:40:24 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
05:41:02 <paragan> if not let's move to next topic
05:41:42 <paragan> #topic Outstanding issue
05:41:58 <paragan> #info #116: Fedora 30 Bug triaging (pravins)
05:41:58 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/116
05:42:18 <pravins> hi, really not very good progress here.
05:42:48 <paragan> #chair pravins
05:42:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico paragan petersen pravins suanand tagoh vishal_vvr
05:43:51 <paragan> today's bug count is 35
05:43:57 <paragan> hm stil more bugs are there
05:43:57 <petersen> If each person looks at one or two bugs per week we should be fine
05:44:42 <petersen> If you have a bug on the list please try to get it off - ie either move to F31+ or close wontfix say
05:44:55 <paragan> yes
05:45:02 <pravins> right, i think this is right time to test it in Beta and triage accordingly.
05:45:13 <petersen> (ie move to the latest affected release)
05:45:20 <petersen> Yep
05:46:02 <paragan> all bug owners please go through your bugs and triage them
05:46:24 <vishal_vvr> I have 3 for liberation-fonts, already fixed waiting for next release 2.1.1 minor release
05:47:04 <paragan> any ETA for this update?
05:47:48 <petersen> And if you don't have a bug on the list please look at some other bug
05:48:05 <petersen> vishal_vvr: doesn't that mean the bugs can be moved to later release?
05:48:43 <petersen> Ah they are, sorry, doh
05:48:55 <vishal_vvr> paragan, by next week max
05:49:06 <vishal_vvr> petersen, yes we can
05:49:19 <petersen> Please
05:49:19 <vishal_vvr> moving it right away, thanks:)
05:49:22 <paragan> cool
05:49:25 <petersen> I can't read
05:49:48 <petersen> All: we should always have bugs on the latest affected release
05:50:04 <petersen> vishal_vvr: you should probably use FutureFeature to keep such bugs in Rawhide
05:50:36 <vishal_vvr> petersen, okay will make sure here after
05:50:55 <petersen> (ah I see my problem was only seeing the first 25...)
05:51:11 <petersen> cool
05:51:57 <petersen> I finally changed my default to 50
05:52:36 <paragan> okay let's move to next topic
05:53:17 <paragan> #topic No assignee issues
05:53:17 <paragan> #info #115: Tracker for Fedora 32 Changes (pnemade)
05:53:17 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/115
05:56:10 <paragan> I think we have completed this
05:56:37 <tagoh> Yes
05:58:16 <paragan> but terminus-fonts not fixed yet
05:58:49 <epico> no response yet.
05:59:09 <paragan> but I also think we can close this ticket as Changes got implemented already and tested :)
05:59:24 <paragan> I will close this ticket after meeting
05:59:28 <epico> Okay :)
05:59:31 <petersen> epico: you contacted the maintainer?
05:59:48 <epico> Yes, email sent.
05:59:53 <petersen> thanks
06:00:11 <petersen> What is the preferred solution?
06:00:54 <epico> I prefer to combine the bitmap fonts with the same full name.
06:01:13 <petersen> aha
06:01:39 <petersen> I see, actually I meant OTB in base package or old bitmap :)
06:02:03 <petersen> or was that already concluded?
06:02:17 <tagoh> Given that sub-packaging isn't preferred, we could change otb only in the package to fix issues as a last resort?
06:02:30 <petersen> aha
06:02:38 <petersen> Is that acceptable?
06:03:01 <tagoh> There might be some issues having both format in one package but it may be better than current situation?
06:03:07 <petersen> So presumably it is preferred to have OTB in the base package?
06:03:08 <epico> I asked this in the bug, the maintainer didn't reply.
06:03:14 <petersen> ah right
06:03:31 <petersen> Yeah almost anything seems better than OTB
06:03:49 <petersen> Maybe we can try combined as an "experiment" hmm?
06:04:11 <petersen> sorry typo: "than _no_ OTB"
06:04:45 <tagoh> it is already there. but broken
06:04:47 <epico> both choice is okay for me. for compatibility, we put OTB in new sub package. for pango issue, we put OTB in base package.
06:04:51 <petersen> ah
06:05:13 <petersen> epico: right - we can only do one
06:05:22 <epico> Right, OTB is there and is converted one by one from bitmap fonts.
06:05:32 <petersen> ah
06:05:48 <petersen> because of missing glyphs?
06:06:14 <petersen> Anyway maybe we can take this offline but we need a plan of action
06:06:19 <paragan> It appears that maintainer's last real activity was this -> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/datagrepper/id?id=2020-399340a9-aaf9-4f51-818c-9e5f6efc26fd&is_raw=true&size=extra-large
06:06:22 <tagoh> I think it is a tool issue.
06:06:40 <petersen> paragan: thank you - I was also wondering about activitiy
06:07:06 <epico> terminus-fonts is better to use combined OTB.
06:07:36 <petersen> paragan: but need to convert the timestamps...
06:08:21 <paragan> ah sorry, did not notice that, it was on 7th Feb 2020
06:09:03 <petersen> Oh thanks
06:09:32 <petersen> Maybe we should just go ahead then if ndim is busy
06:09:52 <epico> +1
06:09:59 <petersen> epico: you already made a PR, I think?
06:10:07 <epico> Yes
06:10:14 <epico> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/terminus-fonts/pull-request/1
06:10:27 <epico> put OTB in new sub package.
06:10:34 <petersen> Can one of you please review it?
06:11:08 <petersen> Then we could build it next week
06:11:15 <petersen> Or even this week
06:11:37 <petersen> tagoh: ?
06:11:47 <tagoh> Sure
06:11:54 <petersen> Thank you!
06:12:03 <epico> tagoh: Thanks!
06:12:43 <paragan> thank you all, having this discussion in detail here.
06:13:23 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:13:49 <paragan> and as we still see work, I will hold closing that ticket
06:14:11 <paragan> #info #117: Fedora 32 i18n test day  (pnemade)
06:14:11 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/117
06:14:43 <paragan> Thank you all who participated in F32 i18n testday event
06:15:43 <paragan> We got a good response, around 15 people participated.
06:15:45 <petersen> Yes
06:15:50 <paragan> The participants have tested our Fedora 32 Changes.
06:16:09 <paragan> and other regular testcases
06:16:36 <paragan> we got few bugs reported in bugzilla which are almost taken care now.
06:16:50 <paragan> also we saw 11 unique language environment tested
06:18:03 <paragan> out of those bugs I see
06:18:17 <paragan> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1812449
06:18:30 <paragan> accepted as F32Final Freeze Exception
06:20:37 <epico> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1815510
06:21:27 <paragan> is this same bug as of above 1812449?
06:24:17 <paragan> anyway, Testday is completed and closed this ticket now :)
06:24:32 <paragan> moving to next ticket
06:24:42 <paragan> #info #118:  Docs Beats for Fedora 32 (pnemade)
06:24:43 <paragan> #link https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/118
06:24:46 <petersen> paragan: hard to say
06:25:08 <paragan> petersen, ok
06:25:15 <paragan> we can check more later
06:25:19 <petersen> Do other people still see issue with text selection off from mouse pointer?
06:25:24 <petersen> in F32
06:25:42 <petersen> paragan: yeah the report is incomplete
06:26:16 <petersen> We can try to reproduce though
06:26:39 <paragan> okay
06:27:07 <petersen> ie off-by-a-line?
06:27:21 <petersen> Dunno if it was reported - surely??
06:28:55 <paragan> you mean this like this -> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IGI7WS4JA24WGLNJU7OVTZCPH5HQ444U/
06:32:39 <paragan> anything more to discuss on this previous topic?
06:33:30 <petersen> paragan: yes thank you
06:34:20 <paragan> so about current ticket, Change owners need to submit PR about their Change release notes
06:34:40 <paragan> if there is anything more to highlight then that can also be reported as PR
06:36:50 <paragan> let's move
06:37:08 <petersen> Not sure if there is anything else for the relnotes?
06:39:46 <paragan> #topic Open Floor
06:39:53 <paragan> anything to discuss here?
06:41:47 <paragan> let's close this meeting
06:41:55 <paragan> thank you all who participated
06:41:58 <paragan> #endmeeting