15:00:18 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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15:00:28 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:00:32 * kparal is here
15:00:34 <adamw> gooooood qa morning folks
15:00:50 <frantisekz> .hello2
15:00:51 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
15:00:59 <coremodule> .hello2
15:00:59 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
15:01:12 <bcotton> .hello2
15:01:13 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:01:39 * sumantro is here
15:02:35 <marc84> hello
15:03:12 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy
15:03:13 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com>
15:03:39 <adamw> hope we're not keeping anyone from important appointments in crowded areas :P
15:04:42 <cmurf> yeah that would be the farmers market in Brentwood...
15:05:25 <adamw> alrighty, let's get going right away with What Adam Forgot Last Time
15:05:28 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:05:43 <adamw> ooo hey not this time!
15:05:54 <adamw> #info "adamw to create and populate F32 Common Bugs page" - this is done: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F32_bugs
15:06:19 <adamw> "kparal to write a mail summarizing the validation tests for which  hardware access may be an issue" - i believe that was done too right kamil?
15:06:55 <lruzicka> .hello2
15:06:56 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:07:01 <tablepc> .hello2
15:07:03 <zodbot> tablepc: tablepc 'Pat Kelly' <pmkellly@frontier.com>
15:07:55 <adamw> helllooooooo kparal
15:08:15 <kparal> sorry, got distracted
15:08:39 <kparal> yes I replied to that
15:09:11 <adamw> excellent
15:09:25 <adamw> please read that in a mr. burns voice
15:09:50 <adamw> also i think we got the firmware RAID box out of brno rh office, right? so that's coverted
15:10:07 <kparal> I believe frantisekz did that, yes
15:10:55 <frantisekz> yeah, I have raid box at my place
15:10:57 <adamw> cool
15:11:27 <adamw> #info "kparal to write a mail summarizing the validation tests for which hardware access may be an issue" - this was done, brno rh folks also retrieved some test hw from the office, so we should be in good shape
15:11:40 <adamw> anything else frm last time?
15:13:27 <adamw> okey dokey then
15:13:28 <adamw> #topic F32 Final status and plans
15:13:50 <adamw> so, i hate to say this as things will inevitably burn down if i do, but we actually seem to be looking kinda okay for final
15:14:11 <adamw> (as i write that i see we haven't had a compose for two days, so i guess i get to go figure out why not after the meeting!)
15:14:30 <tablepc> F32 is looking good to me. There are a couple bugs but nothing close to blocker
15:14:56 <lruzicka> tablepc, there are 4 proposed blockers, so that might change
15:14:59 <adamw> 6 now
15:15:08 <adamw> but yeah, nothing that looks incredibly problematic
15:15:08 <lruzicka> even
15:16:03 <tablepc> Yes, I read the blockers, but have not encountered them. The folks I support and I all run Workstation in a pretty vanilla config.
15:16:44 <adamw> yeah, it's quite normal that we don't all hit the blockers ourselves
15:16:50 <adamw> if we did the job would be easier :P
15:17:20 <adamw> but yep, normally this topic is where we look at particularly awkward issues and things that aren't being taken care of and stuff, but i can't think of much
15:17:42 <adamw> there is still the issue of what's going on with IoT and CoreOS for the release, I guess. i'll have to keep bugging matt about that
15:17:49 <tablepc> I guess the release parties will be virtual.
15:17:52 <cmurf> :D
15:17:58 <adamw> unless we slip a *lot* :P
15:18:54 <sumantro> so for IoT we have Test day coming up on 8th
15:19:43 <adamw> right, it's more the process stuff i keep harping on about
15:20:08 <sumantro> and CoreOS as dustymabe told me, he will have `next` stream up and running and then we write test cases
15:20:36 <sumantro> announce a test day or test week as apt ( given how much time we have)
15:20:41 <adamw> #info F32 seems pretty on-track for Final, we don't have any major concerns at present aside from the ongoing question regarding status and release process for IoT and CoreOS
15:20:42 <adamw> cool
15:20:54 <adamw> #topic Criteria / test case changes and proposals
15:21:12 <tablepc> Are the test cases all updated to the latest thinking now. I'm king of looking for a time when I can print out new copies of everything and get familiar with them again.
15:21:31 <adamw> tablepc: i believe the next event will look a bit different
15:21:40 <tablepc> kind of looking...
15:21:46 <adamw> check the template pages
15:21:58 <adamw> so, that's mostly what i wanted to mention here: just wanted to point up a few recent changes
15:22:20 <adamw> coremodule extended the 'storage devices' table with an 'install to NVMe' test: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Installation_test_matrix#Storage_devices
15:22:52 <adamw> i mentioned that in future it'd be best to post a draft before making changes directly to the prod pages, but this is a pretty straightforward and obvious change so it shouldn't really be a problem
15:23:08 <adamw> it's just a storage interface we should cover which didn't really exist when we made this section.
15:23:32 <adamw> the test is just the same as all the other 'install to X' tests, only for NVMe. we should have several folks with NVMe disks, i think.
15:23:50 <adamw> #info 'install to NVMe' test case has been added to Installation Storage devices matrix
15:24:50 <tablepc> If you need more testing with NVMe I would mind getting one for my test machine.
15:25:10 <adamw> i don't think we can put it on expenses though :P
15:25:30 <tablepc> I was offering to buy one myself
15:25:52 <adamw> the other thing to call out is that kparal's proposed changes to the desktop criteria and matrix are live
15:26:09 <adamw> tablepc: i know, it was just me joking - that'd be great if you can, the more coverage the better
15:26:16 <tablepc> Remember I'm electrical Hardware is where I live mostly
15:27:57 <tablepc> Any particular brand or size absent from the current population?
15:28:07 <adamw> tablepc: don't think we have a survey or anything
15:29:12 <adamw> #info kparal's proposed changes to desktop matrix - https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Desktop_test_matrix&oldid=569662 - and release criteria - https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_32_Final_Release_Criteria&type=revision&diff=569667&oldid=564126 - are now in effect
15:29:29 <adamw> so, we have not had a validation event since 0222, so i don't think all those changes are in the current one
15:29:34 <adamw> but next event will have them, so look out for it.
15:29:42 <adamw> any other outstanding proposals or anything that i forgot about?
15:29:52 <adamw> anyone have concerns with the ones that have already been made?
15:32:17 <tablepc> Everyone seems to be busy with bugs
15:32:26 <adamw> that's...good? :D
15:32:39 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:32:42 <adamw> #chair sumantro
15:32:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw sumantro
15:32:47 <adamw> sumantro, where are we at?
15:33:15 <sumantro> So first all, we had a great cloud base test day thanks to all to participated
15:33:33 <sumantro> coremodule and dustymabe helped out!
15:33:54 <sumantro> we have Upgrade test day coming up on 2020-04-02
15:34:20 <sumantro> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-04-02_F32_Upgrade_Test_Day
15:34:36 <sumantro> and then IoT on 2020-04-08
15:35:04 <adamw> woot woot
15:35:05 <sumantro> and then Kernel Test Week from 2020-04-13 through 2020-04-17
15:35:42 <sumantro> I am in talks with dustymabe for the FCOS test day in between sometime
15:35:44 <adamw> sumantro: can you copy the cloud results to the wiki?
15:35:50 <sumantro> sure sure
15:35:56 <adamw> #info Cloud test day went off well on 2020-03-20, results will be at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-03-20_Cloud_Testday shortly
15:36:22 <adamw> sumantro: btw, my pedantic side would like to not put 'test day' on the end of the page names because it's already there at the start :P
15:36:49 <sumantro> :D
15:36:56 <adamw> #info Upgrade Test Day is coming up on Thursday April 2: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-04-02_F32_Upgrade_Test_Day
15:37:07 <sumantro> noted adamw :D
15:37:24 <adamw> #info IoT Test Day will be the following Wednesday, April 8
15:37:37 <adamw> #info Kernel Test Week will run 2020-04-13 to 2020-04-17
15:37:46 <sumantro> also, silverblue team is not in favor to run a Silverblue test day this cycle
15:37:51 <adamw> roger
15:38:10 <adamw> when are you planning to do another onboarding day?
15:38:27 <sumantro> adamw I am planning sometime next week
15:38:33 <sumantro> between test days
15:38:35 <adamw> cool
15:38:54 <adamw> #info an onboarding day should be coming up next week, so new folks can look out for the announcement of that soon
15:39:08 <adamw> thanks sumantro! anything else? any questions on community events, folks?
15:39:23 <sumantro> Special Shout out to kparal, for making IoT name suggestion and getting most number of votes :)
15:39:37 <sumantro> adamw np, thats all from my side :D
15:39:58 <kparal> 💪
15:40:11 <adamw> kparal: that name idea must have kept you up at nights
15:40:23 <kparal> no, the other ones did
15:40:48 * cmurf is laughing even though these jokes are going over his head
15:40:51 <kparal> so I had to submit the sane version :)
15:41:24 <adamw> cmurf: the name kparal proposed was 'IoT'
15:41:39 <cmurf> yeah i got that i just don't know the context
15:42:05 <adamw> cmurf: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/iot@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DPK554RJ3NTAEU6FJURN2ZXNMLOVONTB/
15:42:19 <coremodule> kparal, I voted for one name, and one name only: IoT
15:42:27 <coremodule> so thank you for that brilliant suggestion
15:42:56 <tablepc> Does IoT only run on ARM?
15:42:59 * kparal tips hat
15:43:12 <adamw> tablepc: nope, it's built for other arches too
15:43:31 <adamw> i think most real-world IoT hardware is ARM, but having x86_64 is useful for running it in VMs and such
15:43:58 <adamw> i do find https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IoT/Name a fascinating example of how terminology shifts
15:44:28 <adamw> with two different people who've decided that 'silverblue' is a sort of generic term for ostree-based things, when it was specifically not meant to be that...heh
15:45:32 <adamw> anyhow!
15:45:38 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:45:40 <adamw> any other business, folks?
15:45:50 <adamw> blocker review meeting coming up in 15 mins in #fedora-blocker-review, btw
15:45:56 <tflink> nothing from me
15:46:03 <tablepc> Maybe we need a Fedora vending machine running IoT and selling Fedora SWAG
15:47:07 <sumantro> nothing from my side too
15:47:13 <adamw> that'd be a cool project for someone, tablepc
15:47:19 <adamw> when there are conferences and things again, anyway :P
15:48:17 <tablepc> Have a Great Day!Expensive though Vending machines aren't cheap.
15:48:50 <adamw> even old second hand ones?
15:49:01 <tablepc> That's an idea
15:50:28 <adamw> alrighty, sounds like we're done
15:50:34 <adamw> i like nice quiet meetings it means nothing is exploding
15:51:11 <tablepc> Good luck with blockers. TTFN
15:51:57 <adamw> #endmeeting