15:00:05 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
15:00:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon May 11 15:00:05 2020 UTC.
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15:00:11 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:17 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:00:23 * sumantro is here
15:00:24 <adamw> morning folks, who's around for qa meeting fun?
15:00:35 <tablepc> .hello 2
15:00:35 <coremodule> Good morning adamw
15:00:35 <zodbot> tablepc: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:00:41 <kparal> .hello2
15:00:41 <zodbot> kparal: kparal 'Kamil Páral' <kparal@redhat.com>
15:00:43 <coremodule> .hello2
15:00:44 <zodbot> coremodule: coremodule 'Geoffrey Marr' <gmarr@redhat.com>
15:00:58 <sumantro> Good Morning adamw
15:01:08 <frantisekz> .hello2
15:01:09 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
15:01:11 <tablepc> Why do I not exist?
15:01:25 <tablepc> .hello2
15:01:28 <zodbot> tablepc: tablepc 'Pat Kelly' <pmkellly@frontier.com>
15:01:42 <tablepc> Oh Okay I see
15:03:03 <adamw> how's everyone donig?
15:03:34 <tablepc> Getting tired of being inside all the time.
15:04:26 <tablepc> We've been getting lots of rain
15:04:55 <adamw> well, that makes going out less attractive at least :)
15:05:08 <adamw> so a heads up, my power is scheduled to be cut for a few hours at xx:30
15:05:15 <adamw> if we're still going then, someone else will have to take over
15:05:16 <tablepc> Especially at 40F
15:05:17 <adamw> volunteers?
15:06:33 <frantisekz> sorry, I'd need to run at 30
15:06:38 <tablepc> Can someone point to the list of proposed changes to F33
15:07:19 <adamw> tablepc: it's actually weirdly difficult because they move around between a few different wiki categories
15:07:29 <adamw> but you can either search devel@ for "change proposal"
15:07:52 <adamw> or use fesco issues: https://pagure.io/fesco/issues?status=all
15:08:00 <kparal> if nobody else volunteers (nudge nudge coremodule), I can take over. I can use #endmeeting so I should be fine :)
15:08:12 <adamw> there are 'system wide change', 'self contained change' and 'f33' tags you can use
15:08:15 <adamw> =)
15:08:19 <adamw> #chair kparal coremodule
15:08:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw coremodule kparal
15:08:42 <adamw> tablepc: so https://pagure.io/fesco/issues?status=all&tags=system+wide+change&tags=self+contained+change&tags=F33&close_status= should be the list for f33
15:08:56 <adamw> ok, so let's get rolling...
15:09:00 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:10:27 <adamw> #info "kparal to resurrect the user switching criterion proposal now desktop team agreed to block on it. it sounds like KDE team supports blocking on it too, we may need to double check that" - this is done, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JRWNYGA4UK6EBLEDWLXBKUS3KC4V24FG/
15:10:39 <adamw> i see the proposal includes KDE
15:10:44 <kparal> as usual, I received very little feedback
15:11:05 <kparal> so, tell me your praise or concerns, on the list, everyone
15:11:28 * adamw wonders why his pagure search for issues tagged f33 includes issues which clearly are not tagged f33
15:11:31 <adamw> databases are hard?
15:11:37 <lruzicka> .hello2
15:11:38 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:11:46 <lruzicka> Sorry about being late.
15:12:18 <kparal> lruzicka: no cookies for you today
15:12:25 <adamw> oh, it's any-of.
15:12:50 <lruzicka> I have become so horizontally challenged, that I will be banned cookies for the rest of my life.
15:13:12 <adamw> heheh
15:13:29 <adamw> any other follow-up, folks?
15:13:38 <tablepc> Cookies are bad, but they are So Good!
15:14:09 <tablepc> My users and I don't use switch users so I don't know much about it.
15:14:11 <adamw> #agreed cookies are the primary food group
15:14:26 <adamw> #info please provide feedback on the user-switch proposal on list, folks
15:14:42 <adamw> #topic Fedora 33 Change proposals
15:15:10 <adamw> https://pagure.io/fesco/issues?status=all&tags=F33&close_status= should contain all F33 proposals for now
15:15:35 <adamw> so, ones that have jumped out at me so far are...
15:15:39 <adamw> #info systemd-resolved: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2381
15:15:56 <sgallagh> Currently being discussed in FESCo meeting next door
15:16:01 <sgallagh> (#fedora-meeting-1)
15:16:24 <adamw> #info network time security: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2372 (as anaconda does stuff with time and we had bugs last time we changed it)
15:16:41 <sgallagh> Just got approved a few minutes ago
15:16:45 <adamw> #info ELN, obviously, though that's already in progress: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2365
15:16:52 * sgallagh waves
15:17:00 <adamw> #info module obsoletes and EOL: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2364
15:17:03 * adamw looks straight through sgallagh
15:17:17 <adamw> #info strong crypto phase 2: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2362
15:17:25 <sgallagh> Oh crap, am I wearing my invisibility cloak again?
15:17:33 <adamw> #info RPM 4.16 and sqlite db changes: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2360
15:17:52 <adamw> #info Python 3.9: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2299
15:17:59 <adamw> so, there's some fun ones in there!
15:18:07 <coremodule> kparal, adamw glad to take over, should we reach xx:30 without finishing
15:18:11 <adamw> any thoughts on those or any others i didn't mention? anyone have concerns so far?
15:18:20 <adamw> coremodule: thanks, i chaired both of you so you can fight over it :)
15:18:34 <adamw> my power might last longer, i guess, they don't always hit the time they say
15:19:16 <frantisekz> "RPM 4.16 and sqlite db changes" sounds scary, but I've read through the proposal, rpmdb conversion should be atomic, so I am not too worried :)
15:19:31 <kparal> I didn't read through all of them, but nothing particularly caught my eye there
15:20:11 <adamw> #action adamw to check test plans and schedules for significant-looking Changes
15:21:40 <tablepc> Just curious as to what's driving all the frequent Python version changes
15:21:49 <adamw> just python's upstream release change
15:21:53 <adamw> er
15:21:55 <adamw> schedule i meant :)
15:22:04 <adamw> we keep up with upstream releases
15:22:14 <tablepc> Okay I'll at at Python.
15:22:19 <tablepc> ask
15:22:25 <adamw> there's nothing unusual about the 3.9 bump really, i just keep it on the list because we have lots of important stuff written in python
15:22:40 <adamw> and anaconda tends to exercise weird bits of it that might break on upgrade
15:23:35 <tablepc> Python's all I use so far not a big problem ,but it just seems like a lot lately
15:23:58 <adamw> upstream's releasing more often in 3.x series than 2.x
15:24:20 <adamw> there seems to be a kinda ongoing drive to add Exciting New Features which are big enough to merit the bump
15:24:41 <adamw> they also are trying to avoid ever having another huge 2->3 event so the tradeoff for that is more smaller update events :)
15:25:01 <adamw> ok, so i'll flag up any particularly worrying changes next week, moving on for now...
15:25:10 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:25:18 <adamw> i moved this up the agenda to make sure we had time :)
15:25:21 <adamw> sumantro, what's the news?
15:25:29 <sumantro> Test day tickets and send out call for test days
15:25:30 <adamw> #chair sumantrop
15:25:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw coremodule kparal sumantrop
15:25:32 <adamw> doh
15:25:35 <adamw> #unchair sumantrop
15:25:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw coremodule kparal
15:25:37 <adamw> #chair sumantro
15:25:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw coremodule kparal sumantro
15:26:13 <sumantro> Also I have called for "onboarding session" and awaiting response from people on preferred timings
15:26:32 <sumantro> link to choose the time is http://whenisgood.net/mmwpzkh
15:27:02 <adamw> great :)
15:27:20 <adamw> #info onboarding session is planned soon, if you're interested please fill out http://whenisgood.net/mmwpzkh for the date
15:27:22 <sumantro> Test Day tickets :https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issues?status=Open&tags=test+days
15:28:03 <sumantro> Also, there will be a storage test day soon .. I will need inputs from folks to understand what all will be good testing candidates
15:28:28 <sumantro> Storage test day ticket : https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/628
15:29:00 <adamw> #info a Storage Test Day is coming soon, sumantro would like suggestions for things to be tested: please add your comments at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/628
15:29:39 <sumantro> That's all from my end
15:29:44 <sumantro> Thanks adamw :)
15:29:50 <tablepc> Do we have Storage test cases?
15:29:51 <adamw> thanks sumantro!
15:30:01 <adamw> we have quite a few, mainly installer-related
15:30:08 <adamw> but there's certainly stuff they don't cover, it's a big area
15:30:16 <tablepc> Oh okay now I get it.
15:30:18 <adamw> cmurf may have some ideas, sumantro
15:30:22 <adamw> #topic Proposals update
15:30:49 <adamw> we still have more or less the same list as last week
15:31:07 <adamw> coremodule, where do you stand on the service manipulation one?
15:31:11 <sumantro> cmurf will wait for you to spill ideas :)
15:32:00 <coremodule> there was a (seeming) general consensus in the emails that chronyd is widespread and important enough to switch to, so if that sounds good to everyone here, I'll get that fixed up today
15:32:40 <tablepc> Is the idea to try different formatting and file systems other than those checked in various installation modes?
15:32:52 <adamw> coremodule: still sounds good to me
15:33:03 <adamw> sumantro: dunno if he's active right now, so you can always ping him
15:33:16 <coremodule> consider it sorted, I'll update that today
15:33:24 <sumantro> adamw thanks for the idea
15:33:44 <adamw> #action coremodule to implement the service manipulation test case change using chronyd
15:34:45 <adamw> anyone have further thoughts on any of the others? user switch, desktop backgrounds / appearance, and late blocker process
15:36:14 <adamw> sounds like no!
15:36:26 <sumantro> nothing from my side
15:36:36 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:36:50 <adamw> maybe we can finally skip a week next week :D
15:36:57 <coremodule> lol
15:37:04 <adamw> any other business, folks? things are ticking over smoothly afaik
15:37:23 <coremodule> tick tick tick... smooth here
15:38:03 <kparal> nothing particular here
15:38:48 <adamw> alrighty, let's wrap this up while my power is still on :D
15:38:49 <sumantro> nothing's here :)
15:38:57 <lruzicka> I do not have anything either
15:38:57 <sumantro> :D
15:39:11 <tablepc> Have a Great Day!
15:39:22 <Southern_Gentlem> adamw++
15:39:22 <zodbot> Southern_Gentlem: Karma for adamwill changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:39:26 <adamw> thanks for coming everyone! have a good week
15:39:28 <adamw> stay safe
15:39:33 * gilliard (irc is still not working in soas)
15:39:38 <adamw> and if you're in the UK...stay alert (whatever that means :>)
15:39:41 <coremodule> thanks for powering through this meeting adamw
15:40:08 <coremodule> you really electrified it
15:40:11 <coremodule> it was the current affair
15:40:18 <coremodule> there was little resistance
15:40:20 <coremodule> okay im done
15:40:23 <adamw> .fire coremodule so hard he bounces
15:40:23 <zodbot> adamw fires coremodule so hard he bounces
15:40:44 <coremodule> lol see ya
15:41:00 <adamw> gilliard: you can join #freenode for help with your account
15:41:08 <adamw> gilliard: none of us have any special powers on the network, so we cannot help you i'm afraid
15:41:32 <gilliard> I got registered as gilliard
15:41:43 <adamw> cool
15:41:48 <adamw> #endmeeting