15:02:45 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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15:02:53 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:03:35 * kparal knocks
15:03:46 <bcotton> .hello2
15:03:47 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
15:03:49 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy
15:03:53 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com>
15:04:12 <adamw> who's around for qa fun
15:05:40 * sumantro is here
15:06:29 <adamw> ahoy to the oy
15:06:35 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:06:56 <lruzicka> .hello2
15:06:57 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
15:07:12 <adamw> #info no action items from last week
15:07:14 <adamw> any other followup?
15:07:20 <adamw> bearing in mind we'll do f33 status again next
15:08:11 <frantisekz> .hello2
15:08:12 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
15:09:05 * tflink shows up late
15:09:58 <cmurf> tflink: means you're right on time
15:10:08 <adamw> okey dokey
15:10:11 <adamw> #topic Fedora 33 status
15:10:56 <adamw> so, let's see, we still need a KDE package update to get the new f33 backgrounds in KDE
15:11:15 <adamw> freeipa is better now, though kickstart enrolment isn't working, i need to look into that
15:11:36 <adamw> freeipa upgrade also seems to be broken
15:12:01 <adamw> we have several images over their max sizes which need working on
15:12:19 <adamw> i know sgallagh is looking at netinsts, desktop team seems to be looking at workstation as the size is coming down
15:12:35 <kparal> xorg seems completely broken. We'll discuss that during our blocker review.
15:12:42 <sgallagh> Yeah, I'm looking into things right now
15:12:50 <kparal> well, xorg in gnome, to be exact. And gnome apps.
15:13:39 <cmurf> yeah not sure how xorg suddenly cracked
15:13:50 <cmurf> but i've experienced it
15:15:11 <adamw> fun!
15:15:21 <adamw> #info KDE does not have F33 backgrounds yet
15:15:29 <adamw> #info FreeIPA is no longer entirely broken but still has a couple of bugs
15:15:49 <adamw> #info Everything and Server netinsts and Workstation live are over max sizes, sgallagh and the desktop team are looking into those
15:15:57 <adamw> #info Xorg in GNOME seems to be broken
15:16:07 <adamw> but you know, apart from that everything's great ;)
15:16:13 <lruzicka> :D
15:17:14 <sumantro> :D
15:17:15 * cmurf realizes there aren't many songs about fires
15:17:41 <tflink> there are a few, though
15:17:45 <adamw> someone needs to set this is fine to music
15:17:52 <cmurf> let's insert one here ^
15:17:57 <tflink> we didn't start the fire, ring of fire, lake of fire
15:18:00 <adamw> the roof
15:18:01 <adamw> the roof
15:18:03 <adamw> the roof is on fire
15:18:20 <tflink> we don't need no water ...
15:18:40 <adamw> this wheel's on fire
15:18:44 <adamw> tflink: probably best stop there :P
15:18:45 <cmurf> i'm not sure water on our computers is an improvement over fire
15:19:29 <bcotton> "fight fire with fire" by Kansas
15:19:30 <tflink> adamw: yep, hence the ellipsis
15:19:44 <adamw> oh man, we're gonna be here all day aren't we
15:19:57 <adamw> bcotton: i saw them once in Boston
15:20:01 <adamw> the Boston show in Kansas was cancelled though\
15:20:13 <adamw> :P
15:20:17 <bcotton> adamw++
15:20:17 <zodbot> bcotton: Karma for adamwill changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:20:29 * cmurf smiles with pride at his latest distraction
15:21:03 <bcotton> .fire cmurf
15:21:04 <zodbot> adamw fires cmurf
15:21:07 <cmurf> haha
15:21:07 <bcotton> speaking of fire...
15:21:18 <adamw> cmurf: excellent nerd snipe
15:21:27 <cmurf> is the butter on fire?
15:22:30 <adamw> probably!
15:22:38 <adamw> the cake is a lie. and on fire.
15:22:39 <adamw> alrighty
15:22:44 <adamw> where were we next
15:22:48 <adamw> a netsplit, that's where!
15:23:02 <adamw> what is this, the 1990s
15:23:09 <cmurf> wow haven't witnessed one of those in a while
15:23:18 <adamw> #topic Criteria proposals: log in/out, networking...
15:23:27 <adamw> so we have a couple of criteria proposals on the go
15:23:52 <cmurf> i'm in favor of both
15:24:06 <adamw> for the login/logout i feel like we should just go ahead and adopt one of the existing proposals, we can always twiddle it later
15:24:24 <adamw> #info we have two criteria proposals on the go: one for login/log out from coremodule, one for networking from me
15:24:41 <adamw> the networking proposal i just kinda slapped together late friday to have something for today
15:24:46 <adamw> i feel like it's a big area and i probably missed stuff
15:25:14 <kparal> the login/logout discussion just died, nobody responded after me
15:25:38 <kparal> and certainly no one proposed a more polished version as adamw wanted
15:25:39 <cmurf> kparal: that means you won
15:25:43 <bcotton> the networking one is pretty good. it's specific enough to give us cover to make decisions, but not so specific that it'll take the entire blocker meeting to read it
15:25:52 <kparal> cmurf: it sounds like that ;)
15:26:03 <adamw> "not so specific that it'll take the entire blocker meeting to read it" clearly i have failed
15:26:06 <adamw> second draft coming up
15:26:14 <adamw> just let me call the list admin and have them bump up the message size limit
15:29:21 <adamw> proposed #agreed either coremodule's or kparal's log in / log out criterion draft would be good enough to work with, we request coremodule to go ahead and write one of them into the criteria
15:29:36 <cmurf> ack
15:29:45 <bcotton> ack
15:30:19 <kparal> shouldn't we decide which one?
15:31:08 <kparal> please note that Geoff's proposal as is currently written is I believe not a good fit and needs to be tweaked
15:31:14 <kparal> I already said so in the email thread
15:31:24 <adamw> patch, then
15:31:39 <lruzicka> we should choose one and make it work as we like it to
15:31:40 <kparal> for example limiting it to just systems with multiple user accounts
15:31:47 <adamw> proposed #agreed kparal's log in / log out criterion draft would be good enough to work with, we request kparal or coremodule to go ahead and write it into the criteria
15:31:54 <bcotton> ack again
15:32:06 <cmurf> ack
15:32:15 <lruzicka> seems, we have chosen
15:32:15 <lruzicka> ack
15:32:28 <tflink> ack
15:32:39 <kparal> ack, I'll do it
15:33:32 <adamw> #agreed kparal's log in / log out criterion draft would be good enough to work with, we request kparal to go ahead and write it into the criteria
15:33:37 <adamw> (ninja patch #2 :P)
15:33:47 <adamw> #action kparal to update criteria with his log in / log out draft
15:34:09 <adamw> well hi there folks from the other side of the netiverse
15:34:43 <adamw> okay, so any other thoughts on the networking criterion?
15:34:54 <adamw> criteria, i guess. i wrote two! the teacher will be so proud
15:35:18 <cmurf> you wrote two?
15:35:26 <cmurf> did you post both?
15:35:40 <cmurf> the teacher is so confused
15:37:06 <adamw> the network one and the VPN one are two separate criteria
15:37:20 * kparal will respond to the mailing list later
15:37:28 <adamw> together in a new section named "Network requirements"
15:37:32 <adamw> kparal: well that sounds ominous :P
15:37:59 <kparal> adamw: not really, I'm just trying to review a high priority blockerbugs patch atm
15:38:04 <adamw> aha
15:39:46 <adamw> okey dokey
15:40:14 <adamw> #info folks are still reviewing the networking proposal, it's a big area, we'll give it a bit more time to mature
15:40:25 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
15:40:37 <adamw> sumantro: around?
15:40:59 <sumantro> hey adamw , yep I am around
15:41:07 <adamw> sumantro: wanna give us an update?
15:41:37 <sumantro> the kernel 5.8 test week happened and jforbes said there were some more testers than last time.. (yaay increase)
15:42:11 <adamw> awesome
15:42:24 <adamw> #info kernel 5.8 test week went off successfully, with an increase in testers: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-08-17_Kernel_5.8_Test_Week
15:42:48 <sumantro> the gnome test day saw like 15 odd testers and the results are already transferred in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-08-19_Fedora_33_Gnome_3.37#Test_Results
15:43:50 <sumantro> coming week from 31st through 7th we will have a btrfs test week; where we will be testing the blivety stuff and more dark parts of installer
15:44:25 <sumantro> the announcements will be coming shortly
15:44:37 <cmurf> there be dragons!
15:45:11 <sumantro> i18n test day is on 2020-09-08 | https://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/90
15:45:59 <sumantro> IoT test day will be sometime mid September and will be announced on the test list soon
15:46:17 <adamw> #info GNOME Test Day also went off successfully with many testers: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2020-08-19_Fedora_33_Gnome_3.37
15:46:30 <adamw> #info i18n Test Day is on 2020-09-08, https://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/90
15:46:38 <adamw> #info IoT Test Day is planned for mid-September and will be announced soon
15:46:40 <adamw> thanks sumantro!
15:47:03 <sumantro> on the on boarding side, we have one coming mid sept : proposed here | https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/221
15:47:12 <sumantro> adamw np!
15:47:29 <adamw> #info next onboarding call proposed for mid-September: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/221
15:47:36 <adamw> thanks to everyone who attended one of the test events!
15:47:48 <adamw> sumantro: did anything come out of the GNOME test day that looks concerning for Beta?
15:48:20 <sumantro> classic broke; reported already and its not a blocker..
15:49:18 <cmurf> classic uses xorg so i think they are related
15:49:41 <sumantro> adamw, kparal mentioned xorg so thats mentioned already
15:49:41 <adamw> i don't think it does necessarily?
15:49:51 <adamw> not totally sure, though.
15:49:58 <adamw> sumantro: thanks
15:50:50 <sumantro> adamw, np!
15:53:42 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:53:44 <adamw> any other business, folks?
15:58:12 <lruzicka> nothing important :)
15:58:39 <adamw> alriiiighty then
15:58:45 <adamw> blocker review will be starting up in #fedora-blocker-review shortly
15:58:48 <adamw> thanks for coming, everyone
16:01:06 <adamw> #endmeeting