17:00:14 <bcotton> #startmeeting Council (2020-09-03)
17:00:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep  3 17:00:14 2020 UTC.
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17:00:15 <bcotton> #meetingname council
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17:00:17 <bcotton> #chair bookwar dcantrell jwf riecatnor dgilmore mattdm bcotton pbrobinson asamalik x3mboy
17:00:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton bookwar dcantrell dgilmore jwf mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor x3mboy
17:00:19 <bcotton> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
17:00:30 <dgilmore> hi bcotton
17:00:43 <bcotton> good morning, dgilmore!
17:00:48 <x3mboy> .hello2
17:00:49 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:01:18 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
17:01:19 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
17:01:24 * King_InuYasha is just passing by
17:01:32 <riecatnor> hullo!
17:02:28 * mattdm is here
17:03:07 <bcotton> hi x3mboy, riecatnor,mattdm and King_InuYasha!
17:03:29 <dcantrell> .hello2
17:03:30 <zodbot> dcantrell: dcantrell 'David Cantrell' <dcantrell@redhat.com>
17:03:37 <bcotton> i think we'll wait another minute or so for folks to roll in. i know justin has to miss today
17:03:44 <bcotton> welcome dcantrell
17:05:39 <bcotton> hokay!
17:05:50 <bcotton> #topic Today's agenda
17:05:51 <bcotton> #info Project directory
17:05:53 <bcotton> #info CPE Q4 Planning priorities
17:05:54 <bcotton> #info Document/delegate Freenode Group Registration to succeed Tom Callaway
17:05:56 <bcotton> #info Your topics here!
17:06:10 <bcotton> any last minute additions?
17:06:42 <mattdm> I'm good with these
17:06:55 <bcotton> #topic Project directory
17:06:57 <bcotton> #info The requested docs are now published (not linked anywhere until we're content with them)
17:06:58 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/procedures/team_directory/
17:07:05 <bcotton> okay, so as you can see, i wrote the docs i promised in the last meeting
17:07:25 <bcotton> from the mailing list thread, it seems like the confusion has diminished drastically
17:07:47 <mattdm> these are good docs bcotton
17:08:08 * bcotton suddenly has the idea to create a @docs_rate twitter account :-
17:08:26 <mattdm> :-/
17:08:30 <mattdm> bcotton--
17:08:49 <bcotton> i need to nudge asamalik to verify that i haven't lied about how it works
17:09:06 <riecatnor> lgtm
17:09:09 <bcotton> but i feel pretty good that it's accurate enough for us to get started with
17:09:43 <bcotton> x3mboy and dcantrell, as the folks who would primarily be responsible for enforcing this, do these docs meet your needs, at least as a starting point?
17:09:53 * mattdm was typign that but bcotton is faster :)
17:10:18 <x3mboy> bcotton, they look good to me to start
17:10:20 <dcantrell> I need to read them which I have not done yet
17:10:35 <mattdm> that's why we have weekly meetings! :)
17:11:30 <bcotton> dcantrell: don't worry, i can assure you that you'll love them ;-)
17:11:48 <dcantrell> yeah, this looks fine to me
17:12:43 <mattdm> excellent. do we have a timeline attached to hopefully getting entries here?
17:12:43 <bcotton> so i suggest we start by getting a few high-profile (as determined by x3mboy and dcantrell for their areas) team to add themselves so we have something we can show. then we can advertise it to the community and say "fill this in please"
17:12:57 <dcantrell> I think that's a reasonable idea
17:13:10 <x3mboy> Sure
17:13:30 <x3mboy> How many is a reasonable number?
17:13:39 <bcotton> let's say....3-5?
17:13:41 <mattdm> 3?
17:13:51 <x3mboy> I'm ok with 3
17:14:28 <bcotton> i'll add council, and we can make justin add d&i. so counting FESCo/Mindshare, you'd have 2 additional ones to add
17:14:38 <mattdm> dcantrell++
17:14:38 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for dcantrel changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:14:38 <bcotton> #agreed Will start by getting a few high-profile (as determined by x3mboy and dcantrell for their areas) team to add themselves so we have something we can show. then we can advertise it to the community and say "fill this in please"
17:14:40 <mattdm> x3mboy++
17:14:41 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for x3mboy changed to 16 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:14:43 <mattdm> bcotton++
17:14:51 <bcotton> #action bcotton to add Council
17:15:01 <bcotton> #action jflory7 to add D&I
17:15:08 * mattdm thinks zodbot should give back the cookie i took away earlier :)
17:15:22 <bcotton> #action dcantrell to add FESCo and 2-4 additional Engineering teams
17:15:36 <bcotton> #action x3mboy to add Mindshare Committee and 2-4 additional Mindshare teams
17:15:43 <bcotton> hooray!
17:16:03 <mattdm> yes indeed :)
17:16:04 <bcotton> if we can get this done in the next 2 months, it'll be done less than a year after we decided to do it :-D
17:16:22 <mattdm> bexelbie will be happy because this was one of his "top priorities" for his entire tenure as FCAIC :)
17:16:57 <bcotton> anything else on this topic?
17:17:19 <dcantrell> there were existing pages for teams, right?
17:17:23 <dcantrell> if so, where are they?
17:17:34 <dcantrell> because I had that open in a tab and that was several firefox crashes ago, so....
17:18:15 <bcotton> dcantrell: is this what you mean? https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/blob/master/f/engineering/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc
17:18:24 <mattdm> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/engineering/
17:18:28 <mattdm> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
17:18:35 <dcantrell> yeah, there we go
17:18:36 <dcantrell> thanks
17:18:59 <bcotton> okay, cool
17:19:21 <bcotton> #topic CPE Q4 Planning priorities
17:19:23 <bcotton> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/fedora-council-infrastructure-priorities/kanban
17:19:24 <bcotton> #info Docs for how we use this board are now live
17:19:26 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/procedures/infra_priorities_board/
17:19:27 <bcotton> speaking of docs!
17:19:35 <bcotton> #info Q4 submission deadline is 9 September
17:19:37 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/cpe/time_tables/
17:20:24 <mattdm> docs rating: yay
17:20:24 <bcotton> so matthew shared some thoughts on the mailing list
17:20:41 <bcotton> bookwar had some feedback, too
17:20:52 <mattdm> Yeah, that's not meant to be a formal requirements gathering (infra priorities board is the more formal thing)
17:21:03 <mattdm> but I wanted to get visibility and people talking about what's important
17:21:18 <mattdm> if you have something important, this is a good time to talk about it :)
17:21:47 <mattdm> i took peter's request for aarch64 container builds to aiofe and she's making a formal template in the format they like to use
17:21:59 <mattdm> i can do that with YOUR thing too, if I understand it :)
17:22:45 <bcotton> #action matthew to do all the work
17:23:14 <bcotton> so i do like aleksandra's suggestion of community openshift
17:23:29 <bcotton> i know that's a thing that CPE is already looking at, but it wouldn't hurt to formalize that
17:23:36 <dcantrell> communishift
17:23:44 <bcotton> i do still think we could put docs search on there
17:24:06 <bcotton> there being our list, not putting it on communishift for someone else to run (although i wouldn't be _opposed_ to that)
17:24:45 * mattdm doesn't care, I just want docs search
17:24:55 <King_InuYasha> me too :)
17:25:11 <dcantrell> grep.fedoraproject.org
17:25:27 <mattdm> communishift is ... troubled... right now. so let's not block on that.
17:25:31 <mattdm> dcantrell++
17:25:41 <mattdm> although I'd like that to do a source code search too
17:25:54 <mattdm> "just how many zlibs do we actually have, eh?"
17:26:01 <dcantrell> MANY
17:26:08 * mattdm is sidetracked
17:26:11 <dcantrell> zlib is one of the most copied libraries
17:26:17 <mattdm> focus focus focus :)
17:26:22 <dcantrell> rustc has it, perl or python crams it in there too I think
17:26:57 <dcantrell> someone just needs to skip trace Marc and figure out if he wants to keep maintaining it -or- at least get added as comaintainers
17:27:12 <bookwar> .hello2
17:27:13 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
17:27:27 <bcotton> ohai bookwar, we were just talking about you :-)
17:27:28 <mattdm> welcome bookwar!
17:27:29 <dcantrell> but if that doesn't happen, then a communal distro fork of zlib is ok.  but can we please call it libz and not zlib-ng
17:27:40 <mattdm> the topic is not actually zlib :)
17:27:48 * dcantrell likes getting sidetracked
17:27:54 * dcantrell has been overmeetinged today
17:27:57 <bookwar> sorry, the previous meeting gone too far :)
17:27:57 * mattdm too that's the problem :)
17:28:18 <bookwar> can you repeat the question
17:28:41 <bcotton> bookwar: we're talking about CPE Q4 planning
17:28:51 <bcotton> [13:23] <bcotton> so i do like aleksandra's suggestion of community openshift
17:28:53 <bcotton> [13:23] <bcotton> i know that's a thing that CPE is already looking at, but it wouldn't hurt to formalize that
17:29:09 <bcotton> [13:23] <bcotton> i do still think we could put docs search on (our list for CPE)
17:29:32 <bookwar> for communityshift  i think we need to ask for the target date
17:29:56 <bookwar> i don't mind if it is not tomorrow, we can wait, but it should be scheduled and defined
17:30:01 <mattdm> bookwar: i know they have a communication in the works about that.
17:30:25 <bookwar> thanks, good to know
17:31:31 * mattdm checks
17:31:34 <mattdm> it does not have a timeline :)
17:32:40 <bcotton> do we have anything else to discuss on this topic?
17:32:56 <x3mboy> Not from me
17:32:59 <mattdm> keep mailing list thread going with anything else
17:33:15 <bookwar> the concern is, we were promised that community openshift will let us delegate responsibilities to community members while we are shrinking responsibility of the CPE. It supposed to balance this action.
17:33:46 <bookwar> and now we have CPE going away on certain topics while we are not getting the replacement
17:34:00 <bookwar> so i think priority is very high here
17:34:25 <bookwar> but yes, we can continue on a mailing list
17:34:39 <mattdm> bookwar: agreed on all counts
17:34:44 <bcotton> ditto
17:35:05 <bcotton> #topic Document/delegate Freenode Group Registration to succeed Tom Callaway
17:35:06 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/322
17:35:54 <bcotton> so jwf suggsted (and x3mboy agreed) that this is a responsibility that should lie with the council
17:36:00 * nirik looks up
17:36:03 <bcotton> my concern is: who on the council
17:36:13 <bcotton> as in what role?
17:36:14 <nirik> uh... I thought this was now me?
17:36:24 <mattdm> I'm okay with it being a council responsibility but I don't think the specific role needs to be filled by a council member
17:36:37 * nirik notes spot handed it off to me as far as I know.
17:36:37 <mattdm> that is, I'm happy for us to delegate it to nirik if he so volunteers
17:36:42 <bcotton> nirik: yay, problem solved
17:36:52 <mattdm> also, possesion is 90% of the law :)
17:36:54 <dcantrell> "thus solving the problem once and for all"
17:36:57 <dgilmore> I think we should have infrastructure manage it
17:37:00 <nirik> I've not yet tried to do anything... but I should process cloaks
17:37:20 <bcotton> mattdm: right, council can be responsible for finding the person, but there's no guarantee that anyone on the council has the ability to _do_ it
17:37:25 <mattdm> dgilmore -- infrastructure as in CPE, or infrastructure as in ... nirik? :)
17:37:36 <dgilmore> mattdm: I am okay with either
17:38:02 <bcotton> could also be a non-CPE infra contributor (e.g. nb)
17:38:17 <nirik> I'm not sure fully how it works... I think freenode has been promising a better system for years...
17:39:27 <nirik> I can find out more info and update the ticket if you like.
17:39:36 <bcotton> nirik++
17:39:46 <riecatnor> nirik++
17:39:46 <zodbot> riecatnor: Karma for kevin changed to 45 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:39:48 <bcotton> #action nirik to find out more info and update the ticket
17:39:50 <x3mboy> nirk++
17:39:58 <x3mboy> nirik++
17:40:06 <dgilmore> if it has to have a single designated person then I would say someone engaged in infra, if a team is possible then infra, of which CPE is a part
17:40:11 <dgilmore> nirik++
17:40:11 <zodbot> dgilmore: Karma for kevin changed to 46 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:40:35 <bcotton> it would definitely be good to have at least two people, if possible
17:40:50 <nirik> I'll find out if it is.
17:41:18 <x3mboy> bcotton, +1 to avoid SPOF
17:41:20 <bcotton> thanks, nirik
17:41:48 <bcotton> so i think that's all we can say now until nirik comes back with more information
17:42:15 <mattdm> yep
17:42:33 <bcotton> #topic Next meeting
17:42:34 <bcotton> #info the next meeting is the monthly Fedora Council video meeting on 10 September, featuring Marie Nordin et al about the Ambassador revamp
17:42:36 <bcotton> #help Suggestions needed for future video meetings https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings#Wish_list
17:42:37 <bcotton> #info The next regular business meeting is Thursday 17 September
17:43:29 <bcotton> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
17:43:31 <bcotton> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
17:43:41 <mattdm> Well, there's this Lenovo thing :)
17:43:46 * dgilmore is on PTO next week
17:43:47 <King_InuYasha> :)
17:43:51 <bcotton> wait, there's a lenovo thing?
17:44:10 * bookwar spent the entire weekend talking about lenovo
17:44:11 <dgilmore> mattdm: is it a lenovo arm thing?  if not no thanks ;)
17:44:15 <x3mboy> bcotton, Sure, now the discount using your @fp.o mail to the Fedora powered laptops
17:44:21 <mattdm> dgilmore: please tell them you want that
17:44:28 <dgilmore> mattdm: I have
17:44:30 <dgilmore> I hope
17:44:39 <bcotton> x3mboy: i was being facetious :-)
17:44:42 <bcotton> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/lenovo-thinkpad-laptops-with-fedora-workstation-are-here/
17:44:50 <mattdm> x3mboy: yeah. there's a commblog post. I don't want to spam it too aggresively to the point of seeming like ... well, spam
17:44:55 <mattdm> but I want to make sure people know.
17:44:59 <x3mboy> bcotton, That was announced in the commblog!!!
17:45:09 <x3mboy> I need to check the CommBlog more often
17:45:09 <bookwar> do we have fedora nest videos published? or not yet?
17:45:16 <x3mboy> bookwar, yes, we have
17:45:20 <bcotton> #info mattdm and bcotton are working with Lenovo to get a Fedora Magazine article finalized
17:45:39 <mattdm> bcotton++
17:45:49 <Conan_Kudo> bcotton++
17:45:52 <Conan_Kudo> mattdm++
17:45:52 <zodbot> Conan_Kudo: Karma for mattdm changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:45:54 <mattdm> specifically, we're waiting for them to tell us about how to order outside of the US and Canada
17:45:57 <bcotton> #info Not blog-worthy, but procedures for various Council administrative tasks are now on docs.fedoraproject.org
17:46:02 <bcotton> more docs! zomg
17:46:16 <mattdm> x3mboy, bcotton -- are all of the nest videos up, or just some?
17:46:23 <bcotton> just some
17:46:28 <x3mboy> mattdm, not sure
17:46:32 <x3mboy> Oh, ther you go
17:46:43 <x3mboy> I just know we have because I got notified
17:46:49 <bcotton> #info 29 Nest videos have been published, 15 to go
17:46:55 <x3mboy> Writing docs on asciidoc makes do docs really easy
17:47:01 <bcotton> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/nest-2020-videos/kanban
17:47:15 <mattdm> nice
17:47:16 <x3mboy> I have a mktg question
17:47:25 <x3mboy> Not sure if Council is the right place to ask
17:47:30 <mattdm> x3mboy: go for it
17:47:44 <bcotton> x3mboy: ack. we'll be to open floor momentarily
17:47:58 <x3mboy> bcotton, sure
17:47:58 <bcotton> #topic Dashboard check
17:48:00 <bcotton> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/dashboard/
17:48:01 <bcotton> #action bcotton to onboard the new reps already
17:48:20 <bcotton> not much to check yet because i haven't done my action. i'm just leaving it here as self-shaming :-)
17:48:23 <bcotton> #topic Open floor
17:48:26 <bcotton> x3mboy: go ahead
17:48:41 <x3mboy> How do we decide what content get uploaded to the YouTube channel?
17:49:06 <x3mboy> I was wanting to create some content since forever, but I was never sure about how to proceed
17:49:33 <x3mboy> e.g.: FXX release video announcement and first preview
17:49:48 <mattdm> once upon a time, there was a Video Content SIG
17:49:51 <riecatnor> afaik, there isn't a formal decision making process?
17:50:23 <x3mboy> Can I write something up? I can have a process draft to next meeting
17:50:29 <bcotton> x3mboy: wfm!
17:50:40 <x3mboy> Maybe we can encourage contributors to create some content
17:50:44 <mattdm> I'd say this is in general a mindshare function, but I don't mind handling some of it here
17:50:49 <mattdm> x3mboy: yes that'd be awesome
17:50:55 <x3mboy> OK
17:51:03 <x3mboy> Action me on this please
17:51:26 <bcotton> #action x3mboy to draft process for adding content to YouTube channel for next meeting
17:51:35 <x3mboy> That's it
17:51:39 <x3mboy> Thanks
17:51:44 <x3mboy> eof
17:51:56 <mattdm> thanks!
17:51:56 <bcotton> i think it makes sense for council to determine the scope of allowable content and then let mindshare implement the details for how that works
17:51:59 <bcotton> thanks, x3mboy
17:52:01 <mattdm> bcotton++
17:52:15 <bcotton> x3mboy: i'll also create a ticket and assign you for visibility
17:52:22 <bcotton> anything else for open floor?
17:53:23 <x3mboy> I have to run
17:53:27 <mattdm> thanks everyone
17:53:33 <x3mboy> If there is something else, I will catch the logs
17:53:38 <mattdm> see y'all at Fedora Social Hour this evening!
17:53:40 <x3mboy> Thanks everybody
17:53:40 <bcotton> okay, sounds like a good time to end then
17:53:45 <bcotton> thanks everyone!
17:53:46 <riecatnor> see ya!
17:53:49 <bcotton> #endmeeting