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12:00:10 <asamalik> #meetingname magazine
12:00:10 <asamalik> #topic Roll call
12:00:10 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr bcotton
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12:00:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
12:00:22 <bcotton> .hello2
12:00:23 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:00:37 <jakfrost> .hello2
12:00:38 <zodbot> jakfrost: jakfrost 'None' <s40w5s@gmail.com>
12:00:40 <bcotton> asamalik knows my weakness
12:00:57 <jakfrost> which is? sandwiches
12:01:04 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:01:05 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:01:49 <asamalik> good morning/afternoon/evening everyone!
12:01:59 <jakfrost> good morning EOW
12:03:12 <asamalik> #topic Agenda
12:03:12 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
12:03:12 <asamalik> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
12:03:12 <asamalik> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
12:03:12 <asamalik> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
12:03:12 <asamalik> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
12:03:13 <asamalik> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
12:03:13 <asamalik> #info -- 6/ Editor of the Week --
12:03:13 <asamalik> #info -- 7/ Open floor --
12:03:18 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
12:03:35 <asamalik> #info Week of 14 Sep: 55.5k pageviews -- roughly the same in the past three weeks, but below average overall
12:04:23 <stickster> asamalik: There was only one article published last week
12:05:10 <asamalik> yeah
12:05:13 <stickster> We've seen a similar result in other one-article weeks. Three article weeks were coming in generally around 70K or so pageviews?
12:05:43 <stickster> What that tells me is 3x the articles only produces about 20% more pageviews
12:05:50 <asamalik> yeah about 70k are the more popular weeks
12:06:13 <jakfrost> increase volume for diminishing returns
12:06:33 <stickster> It also implies the possibility something is generating a majority of pageviews that is not human readers
12:06:59 <asamalik> maybe we have people in our audience who like to read the magazine, but perhaps don't have time to read more one or two a week? (I'm just making this up)
12:07:16 <jakfrost> thats an interesting thought stickster
12:07:19 <asamalik> or that
12:07:20 <stickster> If we were to attach some Google Analytics or something to Magazine that might tell us more, but I have no idea if WPengine allows that or can do it
12:07:35 <bcotton> i bet there's a long tail from search
12:07:51 <stickster> bcotton: Yeah, that's a good point
12:08:20 <bcotton> we see a similar pattern on opensource.com where the first day/week isn't very high, but the article sees a lot of search views over an extended period of time
12:08:43 <stickster> Anyway, not worth bogging down on. I guess what this tells me is, we should concentrate on producing great content, but a high volume of content isn't as crucial
12:08:58 <stickster> ^ and making it well searchable (keywords, SEO)
12:09:16 <asamalik> agree
12:09:26 <jakfrost> ditto
12:09:55 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup
12:09:56 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
12:09:56 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:10:12 <bcotton> stickster: think i'd be worth to ask jzb or someone like him for a lesson in SEO for the editors?
12:10:17 <bcotton> s/i'd/it'd/
12:11:10 <bcotton> ooh!
12:11:36 <bcotton> the lenovo annoucement finally has input from lenovo. so that should be done today and we can run it tomorrow or friday
12:12:13 <stickster> bcotton: For sure
12:12:23 <stickster> And then that should be captured into the Magazine docs.
12:12:24 <bcotton> and i've drafted a release announcement that's with mattdm for review
12:12:48 <stickster> woohoo peanut Beta jelly time
12:13:00 <bcotton> #action bcotton to talk to jzb about SEO training for Magazine editors and document the subsequent knowledge
12:13:01 <stickster> speaking of which, I need to upgrade this system.
12:13:25 <stickster> asamalik: Sorry, didn't mean to pollute the topic!
12:13:56 <asamalik> \o/
12:14:03 <jakfrost> #185 is close but needs some editing and maybe a bit of a conclusion
12:14:18 <asamalik> no problem at all, sounds worth it!
12:14:24 <jakfrost> #234 needs more content
12:14:28 <asamalik> looks like #227 isn't in progress yet
12:14:59 <jakfrost> i think the author is a bit busy at the moment
12:15:32 <stickster> What happened with #226?
12:16:05 <jakfrost> ^^ what he said
12:16:32 <jakfrost> did we mis that one?
12:16:43 <asamalik> just looking at it, too
12:17:15 <asamalik> can't find it in Wordpress either
12:17:39 <asamalik> it mentions "the 16th" — was that this month?
12:17:40 <jakfrost> so no content, can't publish, makes sense
12:17:50 <jakfrost> IDK
12:18:16 <bcotton> yeah, i think we just crumple that one up and throw it away
12:18:24 <bcotton> it ran on commblog a week or two ago
12:18:29 <asamalik> oh ok
12:18:40 <bcotton> but i think it came in super late and undercommunicated
12:19:39 <asamalik> yeah it's been created right in the in progress column, and I don't remember any other mention of it
12:19:46 <asamalik> ok, trashing then
12:20:11 <jakfrost> we should have sound affects for that action
12:20:27 <asamalik> hah
12:20:44 <asamalik> so looks like we can't move anything forward
12:20:49 <asamalik> well, except the Lenovo article!
12:21:10 <jakfrost> that will draw in the views
12:21:19 <asamalik> I hope so :)
12:21:22 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
12:21:22 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
12:21:22 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:21:27 <asamalik> nothing here
12:21:32 * asamalik goes look in Wordpress
12:21:32 <stickster> bcotton wins this week apparently :-)
12:21:39 <jakfrost> bare cupboard
12:21:52 <bcotton> i'm putting this as the featured image on the lenovo article https://images.app.goo.gl/v5gE2QmJFyLDjw48A
12:21:59 <asamalik> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=31944&preview=true
12:22:15 <asamalik> bcotton++
12:22:18 <jakfrost> bcotton: I like it!
12:22:51 <jakfrost> asamalik: that looks like a completed article
12:22:56 <asamalik> it does
12:23:03 <jakfrost> isn't it in the spec column
12:23:10 <stickster> bcotton: nice
12:23:13 <bcotton> 'tis: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/94?kanban-status=280
12:23:15 <asamalik> looks good, too
12:23:27 <asamalik> bcotton: thanks!
12:23:52 <asamalik> moved, link added
12:24:02 <asamalik> that's all I see
12:24:12 <jakfrost> me too
12:24:16 <asamalik> and I'm +1 for moving it forward
12:24:23 <jakfrost> +1
12:24:35 <bcotton> samesie
12:24:40 <asamalik> moved
12:24:49 <asamalik> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
12:24:49 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
12:24:49 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:25:14 <bcotton> so #233 got interrupted by life/work/etc
12:25:37 <stickster> asamalik: *: One thing to keep in mind... that Butterfly Backup is that person's own pet project
12:25:50 <asamalik> so it looks like we have three this week!
12:26:01 <bcotton> i haven't had a chance to do anything for it, but i should have time to get it ready today
12:26:20 <asamalik> stickster: hah ok
12:26:24 <stickster> I'm not saying it's not a good article, but it might be worth considering whether this was contributed as an advertisement since I don't think any of us heard from this contributor
12:26:35 <jakfrost> true
12:27:15 <asamalik> it's on github under GPL-3.0
12:27:17 <jakfrost> so how do we handle someone writing about SW they contribute to? that is FLOSS of course
12:27:52 <stickster> I don't know, this is a good question to discuss as editors though, we could make that the open floor focus.
12:27:54 <bcotton> if they write it in a way that fits our editorial tone, i have no problem with it
12:28:01 * bcotton shuts up :-)
12:28:13 <asamalik> I kind of agree with bcotton here
12:29:32 <jakfrost> okay lets open floor it with a minute on mag comments
12:31:13 <asamalik> we've accepted it last year in October
12:31:49 <asamalik> it's not like they submitted it into Wordpress and waited for the best
12:31:50 <jakfrost> who is editing it, I can for next Monday very likely
12:32:28 <asamalik> so I'd say let's discuss this topic, for sure, but I feel like we should let #94 go out
12:32:39 <bcotton> +1
12:32:44 <jakfrost> +1
12:32:50 <stickster> AHA!
12:33:00 <stickster> +1
12:33:37 <stickster> I think that also means we can drop the theoretical discussion, since it's not really at hand practically
12:33:38 <asamalik> all right, who wants to take it? :)
12:33:46 <asamalik> already has an image and looks pretty easy to edit
12:34:18 <asamalik> stickster: ok, and we can always just have this discussion per case in the forum
12:34:28 <jakfrost> Again.... I can do it
12:34:32 <asamalik> oh!
12:34:36 <asamalik> jakfrost++
12:34:49 <stickster> I can improve the image I think.
12:35:03 <jakfrost> stickster++
12:35:25 <asamalik> oh good catch, it's a different size
12:35:27 <asamalik> thanks stickster!
12:35:30 <asamalik> stickster++
12:35:39 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
12:35:40 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
12:35:40 <asamalik> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
12:35:40 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:36:20 <asamalik> so, we have #94 (butterfly), #233 (dnsmasq), and #229 (lenovo)
12:36:55 <jakfrost> when is Lenovo to be ready>
12:37:13 <jakfrost> ? even
12:38:04 <jakfrost> I could do the editing for #94 for Friday if needed, if stickster could do the image for then we could publish it Friday
12:38:08 <bcotton> Let's say for Friday. I'm sending them the "hey, here's the final version" right now
12:38:39 <bcotton> and I want to give them a a day to review it. so we'd either run it later than usual thursday or on friday
12:38:55 <asamalik> all right
12:39:08 <jakfrost> okay so bump #94 out to Monday and the DNS article to Wednesday
12:39:13 <asamalik> so let's do lenovo, butterfly, dnsmasq?
12:39:16 <asamalik> hah!
12:39:19 <bcotton> wfm
12:39:24 <jakfrost> asamalik++
12:39:25 * asamalik goes convince Taiga
12:39:38 <bcotton> and fingers crossed we'll have a release announcement tuesday
12:39:47 <bcotton> because if not, i'm going to cry
12:39:49 <jakfrost> must be close
12:40:39 <asamalik> yep! I'd just push the release announcement whenever it's ready
12:40:49 <asamalik> and maybe delayed whatever comes after it one slot
12:40:53 <asamalik> but anyway, so far we have
12:40:54 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 25 Sep 2020: #229 Lenovo announcement (image: TBD, edit: TBD) -- Mon 28 Sep 2020: #94 Incremental/Differential backup with rsync and Butterfly Backup (image: stickster, edit: jakfrost) -- Wed 30 Sep 2020: #233 Install and configure dnsmasq to provide DNS & DHCP services (image: bcotton, edit: bcotton)
12:41:04 <stickster> asamalik: One thing to consider is whether to space things out a little further if we don't have a lot of content coming up behind
12:41:04 <jakfrost> +1
12:41:24 <asamalik> stickster: so I thought about this and I probably wouldn't delay things
12:41:29 <asamalik> we always have at least one a week
12:41:44 <asamalik> but if we start having weeks with zero content, maybe then?
12:41:49 <asamalik> I'm on the fence though
12:41:54 <stickster> Fair. I don't feel strongly about this either. Apparently I'm lukewarm this morning! :-D
12:41:57 <stickster> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:42:04 <jakfrost> meh
12:42:04 <asamalik> heh :D
12:42:21 <bcotton> I thought you were Paul. Nice to meet you, Luke
12:42:33 <jakfrost> may the force be with you
12:42:49 <pingou> I fear of the underlying fatherhood question lurking around
12:43:15 <jakfrost> nooooooo
12:43:48 <asamalik> pingou++
12:44:11 <asamalik> any +1s to the schedule?
12:44:20 <jakfrost> I did mine already
12:44:30 <asamalik> any more +1s to the schedule? :)
12:44:32 <bcotton> oh, +1 from me, i thought i did but i didn't
12:45:15 <asamalik> and I'll take stickster's ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ as a +1 too :P
12:45:16 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 25 Sep 2020: #229 Lenovo announcement (image: TBD, edit: TBD) -- Mon 28 Sep 2020: #94 Incremental/Differential backup with rsync and Butterfly Backup (image: stickster, edit: jakfrost) -- Wed 30 Sep 2020: #233 Install and configure dnsmasq to provide DNS & DHCP services (image: bcotton, edit: bcotton)
12:45:33 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Editor of the Week
12:45:33 <asamalik> #info XXXX will be Editor of the Week next week
12:45:49 <asamalik> everyone please roll initiative
12:46:13 <asamalik> #undo
12:46:13 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by asamalik at 12:45:33 : XXXX will be Editor of the Week next week
12:46:25 <asamalik> we need to split these two lines in the docs... confuses me every single time!
12:46:58 <asamalik> done
12:47:09 <jakfrost> asamalik++
12:47:36 <jakfrost> I can do it next week
12:47:42 <asamalik> jakfrost++
12:47:54 <asamalik> #info jakfrost will be Editor of the Week next week
12:48:10 <asamalik> #topic 8/ Open floor
12:48:44 <jakfrost> Okay so does anyone else have some difficulty screening comments for the Mag articles?
12:49:01 <FrostyX> Hello everyone, I am here for the first time, so I am trying to figure out what is going on. But I have two things that I would like to discuss
12:49:18 <asamalik> jakfrost: you mean deciding which ones to approve? or the volume?
12:49:21 <jakfrost> I marked tow as spam this morning, but one I had to use Google translate on
12:49:29 <jakfrost> approval of
12:49:37 <jakfrost> two instead of tow
12:49:51 <jakfrost> hello FrostyX
12:50:00 <jakfrost> please ask away
12:50:04 <asamalik> perhaps we could discuss non-English comments in the forum?
12:50:07 <asamalik> welcome FrostyX!
12:50:55 <jakfrost> it wasn't the language, it was the content after translation
12:51:17 <jakfrost> mostly they seemed like adverts for blogs
12:51:31 <jakfrost> one posiibly pornographic
12:51:36 <FrostyX> I am from Copr team, we have a series called "4 cool new projects to try in COPR for <month>" ... Dominik Turecek writes all of them. He is not present for a few weeks and he told me, that there is one article written and submitted but we didn
12:51:45 <FrostyX> didn't release it yet
12:52:04 <FrostyX> But I couldn't find it neither in kanban nor wordpress
12:52:31 <FrostyX> Do you have any idea where it could get lost?
12:52:33 <asamalik> FrostyX: hmm... we don't have any other place where that could be I'm afraid
12:53:11 <asamalik> jakfrost: that sounds like a clear spam to me
12:53:24 <FrostyX> I haven't seen it mentioned on mailing list either. But I was told he submitted it, so I don't really know
12:53:38 <asamalik> jakfrost: I saw these in English, too.. they're usually praising the article in a non-specific way or being totally random
12:53:41 <asamalik> jakfrost: I just delete those
12:53:49 <asamalik> jakfrost: or not approve
12:53:52 <jakfrost> fair enough
12:54:22 <jakfrost> I am on the right track then. I don't want to be accused of censoring
12:55:39 <asamalik> FrostyX: I have nothing for you there :( from what you say it looks like it wasn't submitted after all
12:55:49 <FrostyX> One more thing, if you open https://fedoramagazine.org/series/copr/ , there are only old articles. There is a lot of new ones https://fedoramagazine.org/author/dturecek/ but they are not tagged to the "copr" series. Can somebody please look on that?
12:56:22 <asamalik> sure I can look at those
12:56:22 <FrostyX> asamalik: ok, ok. Np. I wanted to make sure
12:56:30 <asamalik> would be worth to mention it in the card each time
12:56:36 <asamalik> so it's clear to the editor they need to tag it
12:56:56 <jakfrost> is it maybe in the submit an idea area of the mag
12:57:05 <FrostyX> asamalik: I will let whoever will write next copr articles know
12:57:40 <asamalik> FrostyX: cool! And I'll go figure out how to mass tag two years worth of articles
12:57:41 <asamalik> :D
12:58:04 <jakfrost> asamalik++
12:58:28 <FrostyX> asamalik: There is not that many of them. It shouldn't take more then five minutes when going one by one :-)
12:58:30 <FrostyX> I hope so :D
13:00:50 <jakfrost> we are running long this morning
13:00:50 <asamalik> FrostyX: done!
13:00:57 <asamalik> all right, that's all for today
13:01:00 <asamalik> thanks all for coming!
13:01:09 <FrostyX> Thank you
13:01:10 <asamalik> #endmeeting