17:00:09 <bcotton_> #startmeeting Council (2020-10-15)
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17:00:11 <bcotton_> #meetingname council
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17:00:12 <bcotton_> #chair bookwar dcantrell jwf riecatnor dgilmore mattdm bcotton pbrobinson asamalik x3mboy
17:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton bcotton_ bookwar dcantrell dgilmore jwf mattdm pbrobinson riecatnor x3mboy
17:00:14 <bcotton_> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
17:00:18 * mattdm stops loitering
17:00:25 <x3mboy> .hello2
17:00:26 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:00:26 <mattdm> Hi everyone!!!!1
17:00:54 <bookwar> .hello2
17:00:55 <zodbot> bookwar: bookwar 'Aleksandra Fedorova' <alpha@bookwar.info>
17:02:42 <mattdm> anyone else around today? :)
17:03:02 <bcotton_> the best people are here, who else do we need? ;-)
17:03:16 <x3mboy> Exactly
17:03:25 <mattdm> wow
17:03:54 <dgilmore> buenas dias
17:04:18 <bcotton_> we know they're not at the go/no-go meeting :/
17:04:23 <mattdm> aww
17:04:27 <bcotton_> okay, *now* all of the best people are here
17:04:36 <mattdm> yeah let's add a schedule update to the end of the agenda?
17:05:10 <bcotton_> i'll toss it in the "announcements" section
17:05:19 <bcotton_> speaking of agenda...
17:05:21 <bcotton_> #topic Today's agenda
17:05:22 <bcotton_> #info Council (virtual) Face-to-Face planning
17:05:24 <bcotton_> #info Proposed content policy for YouTube
17:05:25 <bcotton_> #info Add FLOS software column to Social Media page
17:05:27 <bcotton_> #info Let's run a yearly Fedora survey
17:05:28 <bcotton_> #info Your topics here!
17:05:49 <bcotton_> #topic Council (virtual) Face-to-Face planning
17:05:50 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/331
17:06:05 <mattdm> I feel like SOMEONE hasn't doine the When Is Good
17:06:09 <mattdm> But I can't quite remember who
17:06:15 <bcotton_> #link http://whenisgood.net/council-2020nov
17:06:16 <bookwar> me?
17:06:22 <mattdm> oh it's me
17:06:35 <mattdm> maybe you too. but definitely me
17:06:36 * dgilmore did it
17:06:45 <dgilmore> sorry my schedule sucks
17:06:52 <bcotton_> dgilmore's calendar is basically "lolnope"
17:07:21 <bcotton_> so yeah, i mostly put this here as a reminder
17:07:29 <dgilmore> I found out this week I am getting more meetings
17:07:43 <bcotton_> we'll just pick a date without you if you don't reply :-)
17:07:54 <bcotton_> dgilmore: are you also getting an extra 6 hours a day?
17:08:02 <bcotton_> anything else on this befpre we move on?
17:08:41 * mattdm took this time to fill it out :)
17:09:08 <bcotton_> #topic Proposed content policy for YouTube
17:09:09 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/323
17:09:11 <bcotton_> #info waiting on a CommBlog post from x3mboy
17:09:19 <bcotton_> most importantly, x3mboy, how's your dog?
17:09:43 <x3mboy> She's fine, thanks for asking
17:09:48 <bcotton_> hooray!
17:09:57 <x3mboy> And I have the intention to work on that tonight
17:10:18 <bcotton_> sounds good to me
17:10:35 <bcotton_> any other questions or comments?
17:11:04 <bcotton_> #topic Add FLOSS software column to Social Media page
17:11:04 <mattdm> x3mboy++
17:11:05 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/329
17:11:22 <bcotton_> bookwar: i know in the ticket you said that the page was more of marketing internal docs
17:11:26 <dgilmore> bcotton_:  I wish. I am graduating in December so there is that
17:11:47 <bcotton_> is it worth just putting the info in now and worrying about finding a better home for it later?
17:12:03 <mattdm> bcotton_++ yes. put it in quick docs. we can link to that from anywhere.
17:12:08 <bcotton_> my concern is that we'll get bogged down in finding Just The Right Place to document it and it won't happen
17:12:16 <mattdm> HOPEFULYL we will get search soon, so "where it lives" will be less important
17:12:20 <dgilmore> bcotton_:  pagure is best
17:12:49 <bookwar> bcotton yes this is the better way, indeed. I'll update in by Sunday (while on FWD)
17:13:05 <mattdm> bookwar: thanks :)
17:13:08 <bcotton_> bookwar++
17:13:23 <mattdm> I love all of these things that are #action _not_ bcotton
17:13:24 <dgilmore> bookwar++
17:13:24 <zodbot> dgilmore: Karma for bookwar changed to 6 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:13:32 <bcotton_> #action bookwar to add FLOSS software for social media things to Quick Docs
17:13:36 <mattdm> (and, goes withuot saying, not #action mattdm, but we all knew that already)
17:13:38 <bcotton_> mattdm: not as much as i do :-)
17:14:24 <dgilmore> #action bcotton to followup with bookwar and make sure all the things are done
17:14:33 * bcotton_ glares at dgilmore
17:14:35 <bookwar> :)
17:14:43 <bcotton_> but speaking of which!
17:14:45 <bcotton_> #topic Let's run a yearly Fedora survey
17:14:47 <bcotton_> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/327
17:15:00 <bcotton_> There was a general consensus that this is a good idea
17:15:16 <dgilmore> it is a good idea
17:15:21 <bcotton_> but we should probably make it someone's responsibility or admit that we're not going to do it for now and close the ticket
17:15:24 <bookwar> now the hard part: implementation )
17:15:33 <mattdm> ack. who is this blocked on? is it me? there was the nps question
17:15:47 <bcotton_> i don't think it's blocked exactly, more of stalled
17:15:57 <mattdm> because the answer to https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/327#comment-686375 is literally "this got dropped because COVID TIMES"
17:16:39 <bookwar> do we have a platform for surveys?
17:16:46 <bookwar> google forms won't work
17:16:51 <bcotton_> bookwar: yes, we have limesurvey
17:17:08 <bookwar> so it is only a matter of finalizing the questions?
17:17:10 <bcotton_> bookwar: mindshare is the contact for that, iirc. is that right, x3mboy?
17:17:26 <bcotton_> finalizing the questions and figuring out how to get it in front of our target audience
17:17:57 <bcotton_> have we decided, for example, if we're targeting _contributor_ community or the broader user community? or some subset of both?
17:18:07 <bcotton_> some subset of either, i mean
17:18:14 <dgilmore> bcotton_: I would think we want both
17:18:18 <bookwar> i won't be able to do it before November
17:18:22 <x3mboy> Yes, it's mindshare
17:18:34 <bookwar> but i want to keep working on this
17:18:40 <dgilmore> maybe slightly different surveys for each group
17:18:48 <mattdm> bookwar++ thanks for doing this!
17:19:05 <bcotton_> dgilmore: exactly. and how to get it to the user community is a more challenging challenge
17:19:20 <bcotton_> okay, so i'll assign it to bookwar
17:19:22 <bookwar> so if anyone wants to join, i'd be glad, if not, i'll just put it in my calendar for Nov 5th, which would most likely be my PTO :)
17:19:46 <bcotton_> bookwar: want to pick an arbitrary date that you'll have a finalized idea to propose?
17:19:51 <bcotton_> boo working on PTO :-)
17:20:19 <bookwar> let's set the goal to update by Nov 5th
17:20:27 <bookwar> and then we will see what's next
17:20:27 <bcotton_> ack
17:20:45 <bcotton_> then we can potentially have it as a vf2f topic if it needs discussion
17:20:47 <bcotton_> sounds good
17:21:01 <bcotton_> #action bookwar to prepare a finalized proposal by 5 November
17:21:34 <Azkel> Oh, something is happening here - hello!
17:22:01 <bcotton_> Azkel: welcome!
17:22:29 <dgilmore> bcotton_:  facebook, fedoramagazine, twitter
17:22:35 <dgilmore> but yes it is hard
17:22:45 <bcotton_> any other questions or comments on the survey before we move on to the routine stuff?
17:24:13 <dgilmore> none
17:24:15 <bcotton_> #topic Next meeting
17:24:16 <bcotton_> #info The next regular business meeting is Thursday 29 October
17:24:30 <bcotton_> #topic Do we have anything to announce?
17:24:31 <bcotton_> #info This is a regular check to make sure we're communicating to the contributor (via CommBlog) and user (via Magazine) communities
17:24:41 <mattdm> So, I'm concerned about the schedule
17:24:41 <bcotton_> #info Sign up for good times in the F33 release party social events
17:24:43 <bcotton_> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wizards-and-halloween-f33-release-party-goes-virtual/
17:24:55 <mattdm> Specifically, should we start hinting that this release may not meet our targets?
17:25:23 <mattdm> Because not meeting the target is bad, but surprising people in not meeting the target is worse.
17:25:23 <bcotton_> mattdm: i do not share this concern
17:25:37 <mattdm> about hinting, or that we will slip?
17:25:46 <bcotton_> about slipping
17:26:02 <mattdm> okay. i will try to absorb your optimism :)
17:26:16 <bcotton_> just for the record
17:26:16 <mattdm> #info Fedora Program Manager still optimistic that we will meet release date targets
17:26:27 <mattdm> #info Fedora Project Leader a little nervous
17:26:41 <bookwar> now fight?
17:26:46 <bcotton_> #info The current F33 Final target release date is 27 October
17:26:48 <bcotton_> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-key-tasks.html
17:27:33 <bcotton_> i'm now imagining mattdm and i in a specific scene from the movie "Apollo 13"
17:27:34 <mattdm> we're definitely not going to hit the preferred target next tuesday
17:27:39 <mattdm> lol
17:27:59 <bcotton_> mattdm as NASA administrator: This could be the worst disaster NASA has ever faced.
17:28:16 * mattdm giggle, but sad
17:28:17 <bcotton_> bcotton as Flight Control: With all due respect, I believe it will be our finest hour
17:28:38 <mattdm> Should we do a reactment for youtube?
17:28:48 <mattdm> *reenactment
17:28:58 <bcotton_> x3mboy: would that fit the YouTube content policy? :-D
17:29:15 <bookwar> only after the release
17:29:21 <bookwar> at release party
17:29:46 <bcotton_> bookwar++
17:29:51 <mattdm> it's a plan
17:30:47 <mattdm> so, anything else?
17:31:02 <bcotton_> mattdm: no announcements, just more Apollo 13 scenes
17:31:27 <mattdm> Apollo 13 viewing for Fedora Council virtual meetup?
17:32:16 <bcotton_> i'm in favor
17:32:22 <bcotton_> #topic Dashboard check
17:32:23 <bcotton_> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/dashboard/
17:33:04 <bcotton_> justin's not here to ask about the BLM letter (D&I #135)
17:34:07 <bcotton_> everything else is good or so old as to not be worth discussion
17:34:46 <mattdm> is that just waiting for action from marie and me?
17:35:16 <bcotton_> in the last meeting justin said he'd work on the next pass of edits
17:35:24 <bcotton_> because marie was getting burned out on it
17:35:42 <mattdm> *nod*
17:37:05 <bcotton_> anything else on the dashboard?
17:37:50 <mattdm> I'm hoping to get some life for Fedora Server in F34. But there's no action on that right now.
17:38:20 <bcotton_> yeah, i was just thinking it may be time to start having a conversation about how to demote editions :/
17:38:31 <bcotton_> but that's a longer conversation
17:39:04 <bcotton_> #topic Open floor
17:39:09 <bcotton_> anything for open floor today?
17:40:04 <x3mboy> I'm back
17:40:19 <bcotton_> welcome back, x3mboy!
17:40:30 <bookwar> community shift task was closed afaik. What can we do now?
17:41:43 <bookwar> We need an easy way for community members to access infra resources. If Legal is not satisfied with simple cloud option, can we do a vetter request-approve process instead?
17:42:00 <bookwar> probably not a good topic for today
17:42:23 <bookwar> but it bothers me that we just got it closed with no way forward
17:42:53 <bcotton_> bookwar: i saw a message in #fedora-admin that there's news coming on that front soon
17:43:56 <bcotton_> but yeah, it would be good to get something in place
17:44:00 <bookwar> let's maybe bring it to F2F?
17:44:06 <x3mboy> Nothing from me to Open Floor
17:44:22 <x3mboy> I just want that mattdm answer my email!
17:44:23 <bcotton_> i'm going to suggest we wait until after the new year, because I know CentOS Stream is going to take up a lot of CPE's time in the next two months
17:44:45 <bookwar> bcotton: good point
17:45:13 <mattdm> x3mboy: yeah, uh, you and 2000 other people :) sorry
17:45:20 <x3mboy> mattdm, LOL
17:45:39 <bcotton_> new intern idea: mattdm email reader
17:46:14 <misc> I think that's against geneva convention
17:46:20 <x3mboy> But it'll be a paid internship? I can do it
17:46:21 <mattdm> lol
17:46:32 <x3mboy> xD
17:47:07 <bcotton_> anything else for open floor?
17:49:08 <mattdm> looks like a wrap
17:49:13 <mattdm> thanks bcotton!
17:49:29 <x3mboy> Thanks bcotton!
17:49:31 <x3mboy> bcotton++
17:50:10 <bcotton_> hooray!
17:50:13 <bcotton_> #endmeeting