16:00:10 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
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16:00:29 <adamw> #topic Roll call
16:00:31 <copperi> x
16:01:00 <adamw> happy new year everyone! who's around for qa meeting fun?
16:01:11 <adamw> i bet you've been counting down the days
16:01:18 <geraldosimiao> happy new year. I'm here :)
16:01:29 <lruzicka> .hello2
16:01:30 <zodbot> lruzicka: lruzicka 'Lukáš Růžička' <lruzicka@redhat.com>
16:01:45 * coremodule is... where am I? This place feels vaguely familiar, but I can't recall why...
16:02:01 <tflink> morning
16:02:05 <adamw> you have been sent on a mission to fix all the bugs
16:02:10 <adamw> you cannot rest until the bugs are fixed
16:02:19 <bcotton> .hello2
16:02:19 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
16:02:22 <frantisekz> .hello2
16:02:23 <zodbot> frantisekz: frantisekz 'František Zatloukal' <fzatlouk@redhat.com>
16:02:33 <tflink> so ... no sleep ever again?
16:02:39 <adamw> thus begins the most boring fantasy novel ever
16:02:54 <geraldosimiao> .hello2
16:02:55 <zodbot> geraldosimiao: geraldosimiao 'None' <geraldo.simiao.kutz@gmail.com>
16:03:43 <cmurf> .hello
16:03:43 <zodbot> cmurf: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
16:03:52 <coremodule> "And so they worked, tirelessly, fixing all the bugs, until their descent into senescence was complete and they laid down to sleep, never waking, but having made some semblance of an impact on this now bug-free world."
16:03:57 <cmurf> .hello2
16:03:59 <zodbot> cmurf: Sorry, but you don't exist
16:04:05 <adamw> basically that!
16:04:15 <cmurf> umm i haz cmurf as alias in fas bot!
16:04:23 <scorreia> .hello2
16:04:24 <zodbot> scorreia: scorreia 'Sergio Correia' <scorreia@redhat.com>
16:04:24 <adamw> hope everyone had a good winter solstice
16:04:24 <bcotton> "No Sleep Till Bugfix" is my favorite Beastie Boys song
16:04:36 <coremodule> lol
16:05:15 <geraldosimiao> I'm in Brazil, here is summer now... :D
16:05:37 <cmurf> .hello chrismurphy
16:05:38 <zodbot> cmurf: chrismurphy 'Chris Murphy' <bugzilla@colorremedies.com>
16:06:31 * sumantrom is here!
16:06:39 <adamw> ...fine, region-specific solstice
16:06:54 <geraldosimiao> ;D
16:07:06 <sumantrom> .hello2
16:07:07 <zodbot> sumantrom: sumantrom 'Sumantro Mukherjee' <sumukher@redhat.com>
16:07:12 * defolos is lurking in the shadows
16:07:17 <adamw> alrighty
16:07:18 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
16:07:18 <adamw> hey sumantro!
16:07:29 <sumantrom> adamw, hey! :)
16:08:13 <adamw> "lruzicka to look into working up a better test plan for the pipewire change" - lruzicka, how's that coming?
16:08:29 <adamw> if you remember :P
16:08:52 <lruzicka> adamw, I have just installed the Rawhide today and started to look around, realized that pipewire is not being used by default, is that on purpose?
16:09:20 <lruzicka> however, I would like to spend several days playing around and testing it
16:09:42 <lruzicka> have not done anything in this yet, cause I was doing different agenda before holiday
16:10:01 <lruzicka> so this is proprity number 1 for the upcoming days
16:10:06 <lruzicka> priority
16:10:38 <frantisekz> Lukas, I think it's on purpose that pipewire isn't the default just yet
16:10:57 <frantisekz> if you look into change proposal, I think it should become default later in the F34 cycle
16:11:10 <adamw> not sure
16:11:28 <lruzicka> frantisekz, no problem for me, I can install it, but I expected a default usage as far as from now on
16:11:32 <adamw> 'dnf --allowerasing install pipewire-pulseaudio' is the way to install it for now, iirc
16:11:52 <lruzicka> ok
16:12:58 <adamw> the bug is in state ASSIGNED, so that would track with "they haven't actually made the change yet"
16:13:19 <frantisekz> also, that should work on F33, if somebody wanted to give it a shot
16:13:44 <lruzicka> frantisekz, I will give it a show after I have seen it works on rawhide
16:16:30 <adamw> so...the test plan? :)
16:16:58 <lruzicka> adamw, not yet ready, will work on it from now on
16:17:32 <lruzicka> adamw, let's say I will try to finish it in a week or two
16:17:41 <adamw> well, moving on
16:18:21 <adamw> the next two are kinda the same, so i'll just take the second
16:18:41 <adamw> #info "adamw to look into more details around Matrix and make a more specific proposal if it still seems like a good idea in the new year" - I didn't get roundtuits for this yet, but as it's been announced that we're getting an official Fedora homeserver it definitely does still seem like a good idea, so I'll get on with this soon
16:19:26 <adamw> #topic Fedora 34 status and Changes
16:22:29 <adamw> #info Rawhide is mostly working, note the Firefox/nss/system certificate policy issue which prevents add-ons working unless you tweak the cert policy: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1908018
16:22:31 <adamw> i'm not aware of any huge bear traps other than that, anyone else have notes?
16:24:59 <frantisekz> probably just that more traps are coming as we're still pretty early in the cycle :)
16:25:35 <adamw> well yes, this is usually the case :)
16:26:02 <adamw> as for Changes, some more interesting ones showed up over the break
16:26:50 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ignore_Anaconda_kernel_boot_parameters_without_inst_prefix would be worth noting for testers - if you're not already used to using "inst.ks=foobar" instead of "ks=foobar" and so on, get used to it :)
16:27:47 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableSystemdOomd is one we should keep an eye on just in case it has unintended consequences...
16:28:32 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMCoW would be a pretty major change to how DNF/RPM operate and we'd definitely need to test it and watch out for issues
16:28:54 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsTransparentCompression shouldn't be a problem if it's as transparent as claimed, but again look out for new issues on btrfs installs
16:29:34 <adamw> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UnifyGrubConfig would definitely need some testing across various boot configs and platforms, especially if there's an upgrade mechanism
16:32:00 <adamw> is it quiet in here or is matrix lagging or something? :D
16:32:18 <tflink> it's quiet
16:32:28 <bcotton> por que no los dos?
16:32:48 <adamw> welp then
16:33:29 <adamw> anyone have notes on any of those changes? or want to volunteer to make awesome test plans and things? :)
16:33:59 <sumantrom> adamw
16:34:07 <sumantrom> I will volunteer for test plan
16:34:21 <sumantrom> and even will be turning them in test day topics as we go ahead
16:34:35 <adamw> yeah, test days for some would be good
16:34:52 <adamw> probably rpmcow and the grub config thing
16:35:11 <sumantrom> yes!
16:35:33 <sumantrom> if there's something on BTRFS it will be good too
16:35:46 <adamw> cmurf and neal could probably help with grub stuff
16:36:25 <adamw> #action sumantrom to look at putting together test plans and test days for major Changes
16:37:03 <lruzicka> except the pipewire, right?
16:37:31 <sumantrom> lruzicka, pipewire is all yours :D
16:38:09 <lruzicka> sumantrom, thanks
16:39:48 <adamw> alrighty
16:39:54 <adamw> any other thoughts on f34 stuff?
16:40:59 <geraldosimiao> that suggestion Mathew made, about discard the "test media" on live cd, wil be adopted?
16:41:38 * bcotton joins the queue adamw
16:42:47 <adamw> geraldosimiao: I don't think it's decided yet, but i think the idea at least got tweaked to "just make it not default any more"
16:42:58 <adamw> Ben Cotton: what queue is this
16:43:29 <bcotton> adamw: the queue of people who have f34 thoughts to add
16:43:51 <adamw> then add away
16:44:13 <bcotton> so the FCOS promotion change is getting mixed reviews from FESCo
16:44:15 <bcotton> #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2516
16:44:20 <geraldosimiao> adamw you're right, it changed to not make it as default. :)
16:45:06 <adamw> aha, yes
16:45:15 <adamw> thanks for the reminder
16:45:15 <bcotton> the proposal itself has been updated to address some of the concerns raised by adamw and others on the devel list, but it's still a big paradigm change for the royal us
16:45:15 <bcotton> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraCoreOS
16:45:22 <cmurf> we might want to do compression related benchmarking for a test day
16:45:56 <adamw> yeah, that seems like a good idea
16:46:01 <adamw> can you work with sumantro on that?
16:46:04 <sumantrom> cmurf, I m game!
16:46:05 <cmurf> see if there's something out of the ordinary for Fedora users - the FB folks use compress=zstd:1 across the board for everything but they have faster cpus relative to the SSD performance
16:48:47 <adamw> #info Fedora CoreOS edition promotion is under heavy discussion by FESCo - https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2516
16:50:28 <adamw> alrighty, so that's the state of play for f34...moving along
16:51:02 <adamw> #topic Matrix, redux
16:52:15 <adamw> so yeah we kinda covered this earlier, but - mattdm announced on devel@ that we'll be getting a Fedora matrix homeserver at least on a trial basis - https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/52Y3STF567JJ7KU4DT76X4NJGYGUMIX7/
16:52:16 <adamw> it'll be provided by element as SaaS
16:52:38 <adamw> so i'm definitely planning to work up a proposal to have an Official qa room on the server, bridged to the IRC channel
16:53:52 * cmurf is curious how the bridging works, is this someting each channel requests?
16:54:34 <adamw> there's a couple of ways it can be done, but yeah i think in this case we'd do it in a sort of bespoke way
16:55:48 <adamw> on the element homeserver we have some rooms that are 'real' matrix rooms and are individually bridged to freenode irc channels - the "Fedora QA (Quality Assurance)" room is like that - and there are also automatically-generated bridged rooms for most freenode channels (the #fedora-meeting room is like that)
16:57:39 <adamw> #topic Test Day / community event status
16:57:40 <adamw> sumantro, any news here?
16:58:15 <sumantrom> Kernel 5.10 Test week is going
16:58:29 <sumantrom> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-01-04_Kernel_5.10_Test_Week
16:58:49 <adamw> indeed, everyone join in :)
16:59:07 <sumantrom> Things are running great, thanks to jforbes for the image on time and all testers participating
16:59:39 <sumantrom> frantisekz, revamped the testdays app and it looks fantastic now
16:59:43 <sumantrom> frantisekz++
16:59:43 <zodbot> sumantrom: Karma for frantisekz changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:00:08 <adamw> #info kernel 5.10 test week is running as we speak, please join in and help if you didn't already
17:00:09 <cmurf> URL for the testday app?
17:00:14 <adamw> frantisekz++
17:00:14 <zodbot> adamw: Karma for frantisekz changed to 5 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:00:24 <frantisekz> :) hope it'll continue to work just fine, also, kudos to Fedora infra team and @pingou for help with bringing it up to infra OpenShift
17:00:27 <cmurf> frantisekz++
17:00:29 <sumantrom> cmurf https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/99
17:00:38 <adamw> https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events\
17:00:45 <geraldosimiao> I already tested on my baremetal installation and on a VM.
17:00:46 <adamw> * https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events
17:00:49 <cmurf> oh so i can't give karma now either? or did i do it already?
17:01:13 <adamw> if the bot doesn't respond it usually means you did it already, yeah
17:01:23 <adamw> or it might be because you're not authed or something? not sure
17:01:33 <adamw> #topic Open floor
17:01:43 <adamw> we're over time, but does anyone have anything urgent?
17:02:38 <geraldosimiao> no nothing urgent
17:03:15 <adamw> cool, well happy new solar year again everyone :D
17:03:26 <adamw> thanks for coming!
17:03:27 <sumantrom> adamw :D
17:03:31 <geraldosimiao> :D
17:03:55 <cmurf> happy new solar year LOL
17:04:00 <cmurf> happy festivus
17:04:16 <coremodule> thanks, as always, for hosting adamw
17:04:52 <lruzicka> thank you and have a good time
17:04:59 <frantisekz> thanks for leading the meeting adamw :)
17:05:08 <adamw> #endmeeting