22:00:11 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-02-19) 22:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Feb 19 22:00:11 2021 UTC. 22:00:11 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 22:00:11 <zodbot> The chair is tdawson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:11 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2021-02-19)' 22:00:13 <tdawson> #meetingname epel 22:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 22:00:14 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel_slm 22:00:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge michel_slm nirik pgreco tdawson 22:00:16 <tdawson> #topic aloha 22:00:25 <nirik> morning 22:00:26 <smooge> here 22:00:33 <tdawson> Hi nirik 22:00:35 <tdawson> Hi smooge 22:00:42 * King_In8 waves 22:00:43 <pgreco> hi everybody 22:00:52 <tdawson> Hi King_In8 22:00:54 <King_In8> blech 22:00:59 <tdawson> Hi pgreco 22:01:12 <King_In8> bloody netsplits 22:01:16 <tdawson> :) 22:03:00 * King_InuYasha waves again 22:03:03 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa 22:03:04 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 22:03:12 <King_InuYasha> now all is right with the world :D 22:03:54 <tdawson> Hi King_InuYasha ... your a new person, I barely recognize you. 22:05:03 <King_InuYasha> haha 22:05:25 <tdawson> #topic Old Business 22:05:33 <tdawson> EPEL-Packaging-SIG 22:05:41 <tdawson> I don't see michel_slm yet 22:06:07 <tdawson> Or carlwgeorge, for epel8-next 22:06:24 <pgreco> carlwgeorge must be still with all electronics off 22:06:29 <tdawson> nirik or smooge - do either of you know how the epel8-next work is going? 22:06:40 <tdawson> Oh ... that's right, he's in Texas 22:06:45 <pgreco> according to his county's recommendations 22:06:52 <smooge> tht is pretty much the status 22:06:59 <nirik> nothing I know of... I think he was getting fedpkg/fedscm-admin changes in first before anything else. 22:07:03 <King_InuYasha> yeah, I'm pretty sure he's involuntarily offline 22:07:09 <smooge> he will have better power next week and he will be catching up with work items first 22:07:56 <tdawson> I don't know where michel_slm is ... I wonder if he's in the same situation. 22:08:32 <smooge> i thought austin so yeah.. probably in similar straights 22:08:35 <tdawson> I guess the next old business is documentation changes. 22:08:41 <King_InuYasha> his wife just had a baby yesterday 22:08:57 <smooge> oh. well then a different real life itme 22:09:06 <King_InuYasha> and fwiw, he's in the Seattle area 22:09:11 <pgreco> another case of involuntarily offline I guess 22:09:15 <tdawson> Oh, well good for him, and I hope he doesn't join us today. :) 22:09:16 <King_InuYasha> pretty much 22:09:36 <King_InuYasha> baby was 1 week early :) 22:10:46 <tdawson> For documentation, someone was going to check on getting a fedoradocs/epel area 22:10:49 <michel_slm> Hi! What King_InuYasha said 22:10:56 <King_InuYasha> hey! michel_slm :D 22:10:56 <michel_slm> .hello salimma 22:10:57 <zodbot> michel_slm: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name> 22:11:19 <tdawson> michel_slm: Congratulations!! 22:11:21 <michel_slm> I'll just lurk since I have free time at unpredictable moments 😅 22:11:24 <nirik> congrats michel_slm. Hope everyone is well there. 22:11:27 <michel_slm> Thanks tdawson 22:11:45 <michel_slm> Thanks nirik! Yeah everyone is well, we get to go home tomorrow 22:12:08 <pgreco> michel_slm: Congratulations! 22:12:27 <nirik> glad to hear it. :) 22:13:13 <michel_slm> Was about to ask, anyone checked if the fedscm-admin PR is merged? 22:13:30 <michel_slm> If not can someone follow up with pingou 22:13:41 <michel_slm> Thanks pgreco 22:13:45 <nirik> not yet... but next week hopefully 22:15:47 <tdawson> pgreco or michel_slm Did one of you say last week that you would work on getting the base documentation ? 22:16:17 <michel_slm> I did but... didn't get to it, sorry 22:16:37 <pgreco> I didn't, I barely slept since last week 22:16:43 <tdawson> michel_slm: Not a problem, looks like you busy. 22:16:52 <pgreco> and now michel_slm will start with the "no sleep" ;) 22:17:06 <tdawson> OK, I think I'm going to take that on. 22:18:00 <michel_slm> pgreco 'will'? The last time I had a good night sleep was Monday night 😅 22:18:38 <pgreco> yeap, that sounds about right 22:19:00 <tdawson> Any other old business that I might have missed? 22:19:35 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7 22:20:15 <tdawson> I don't have anything for EPEL7, does anyone else? 22:20:31 <smooge> one item 22:20:55 <smooge> nagios/nrpe may have dropped out for a day or so in EPEL because it got orphaned.. people have taken it up so it should be there 22:21:15 <smooge> otherwise epel7 continues to grow 22:21:27 <smooge> in usage 22:21:46 <King_InuYasha> surprising no one :) 22:22:00 <tdawson> :) 22:22:10 <King_InuYasha> I'll be interested to see how epel8 growth will be affected by changes for el8 22:22:52 <tdawson> RHEL/CentOS/SL 7 have just reached their stride. They are mature and stable, and ... all that. 22:22:54 <pgreco> I think there will be some adapting to the new format, and how alma/rocky fill in the gap 22:23:43 <smooge> currently CentOS-8 versus other units usage continues to grow at the same rate it did before the announcement 22:23:56 <pgreco> that's good news 22:23:59 <smooge> but that is a different topic 22:24:20 <nirik> the vast majority of the el world doesn't pay attention to things like announcements... 22:24:30 <tdawson> *laughs* 22:24:39 <tdawson> You are correct. 22:24:51 <smooge> I expect there will be all kinds of 'what happened to my releases' on Jan 1 2022 22:24:51 <tdawson> Ok, moving on. 22:25:01 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8 22:26:34 <tdawson> OK, just cuz I changed the topic to EPEL8, doesn't mean we have to stop talking about it. 22:27:05 <tdawson> Anything for EPEL8? 22:27:45 <smooge> nothing for me on it 22:27:59 <King_InuYasha> nothing from me 22:28:05 <King_InuYasha> other than poetry again 22:28:14 <King_InuYasha> or rather needing help to get it into epel8 22:29:49 <smooge> << crickets >> 22:30:01 <tdawson> Sorry, I was looking at the poetry bugs 22:30:06 <tdawson> OK, moving on. 22:30:35 <tdawson> Do we want to put EPEL9 on the agenda yet? Or wait until at least CentOS Stream 9 is out? 22:30:55 <smooge> wait until it is there.. 22:31:03 <tdawson> That's what I was thinking. 22:31:07 <King_InuYasha> it is out though? 22:31:09 <King_InuYasha> kinda anyway 22:31:22 <King_InuYasha> https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream 22:31:33 <smooge> because honestly if we are having problems getting things into EPEL8.. getting stuff into 9 is not going to be any easier 22:31:58 <tdawson> True, they are sycing the source code, but not building the builds. 22:33:05 <tdawson> And even after they start building the builds, it will be a few weeks (month or so) before there is a usable repo.' 22:33:10 <King_InuYasha> tdawson: we need to sync up on cmake things for el9 22:34:01 <tdawson> Sure 22:34:35 <King_InuYasha> we should, in general, see if we can get some early look and influence on cs9/el9 as soon as possible 22:34:47 <King_InuYasha> so that epel9 will be well supported from rhel9 base 22:35:19 <nirik> it should be using the eln cmake no? 22:35:37 <nirik> well, very similar to anyhow 22:36:01 <tdawson> I'm pretty sure it is using whatever is currently in ELN. 22:36:13 <tdawson> Although that's soon to be whatever is in F34. 22:36:33 <King_InuYasha> tdawson: the ability to do in-source builds needs to be gutted soon 22:36:35 * nirik nods 22:37:08 <King_InuYasha> the weird compat code I wrote to support that in the macros was something I planned to remove in F34, but didn't have time 22:37:14 <King_InuYasha> I'll likely remove it in F35 22:37:42 <King_InuYasha> and not having it in EL9 will make life considerably simpler long-term 22:37:59 <tdawson> Ouch ... ok. But that's more of an offline topic. 22:38:02 <King_InuYasha> yeah 22:38:11 <King_InuYasha> hence the "we need to sync up" statement :) 22:38:20 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor 22:38:22 <tdawson> :) 22:38:38 <King_InuYasha> otherwise, it's exciting to see cs9 taking shape so soon 22:38:49 <King_InuYasha> I'm weirded out by it being on gitlab.com, but ehh 22:38:53 <pgreco> wrt epel8-next and epel9-next/cs9, any chance we can sync up for missing deps? 22:39:33 <pgreco> syncing kojis I mean somehow, I want a simple way to stop this stupidity of missing devel files... 22:40:38 <tdawson> That is an interesting idea ... I'm not one who can implement it, but it's something to bring up with those who can. 22:41:12 <King_InuYasha> well, what stops shadow koji for this? 22:41:36 <pgreco> for el/cl it is harder because that would imply access to brew, but for stream, we could in theory 22:41:43 * michel_slm queueing up a topic for open floor 22:42:25 <pgreco> michel_slm: sorry, I kind of jumped in with my topic/rant :) 22:42:27 * nirik also has an item for open floor 22:42:28 <tdawson> pgreco: The only problem, drawback I see is that we wouldn't have access to those files on regular EPEL8/EPEL9 22:42:45 <pgreco> yeap, exactly 22:42:45 <tdawson> michel_slm: Since you are the new father, you get to go first. 22:43:35 <michel_slm> Haha thanks. And pgreco no worries, I was tuning in and out anyway 22:43:37 <pgreco> tdawson: if we're going to fake those for el8/el9, we could avoid "faking" them for stream, that's the gist of it 22:44:01 <michel_slm> So since I'm out for a month and FB is interested in stream and epel I'm going to get someone to attend or at least follow this meeting 22:44:10 <michel_slm> It's probably dcavalca but not today since he's recuperating from devconf hours 22:44:57 <tdawson> michel_slm: Good to know. We'll be sure to pink him. 22:44:58 <michel_slm> Oh there we are. Hi filbranden 22:45:09 <filbranden> Hi michel_slm ! Hi all. 22:45:39 <smooge> hi filbranden 22:45:43 * michel_slm wonders if pink is the new punk 22:45:47 <tdawson> Hi filbranden 22:46:05 <tdawson> *laughs* It certainly is the new punk, as well as the new ping 22:46:20 <pgreco> filbranden: aka dcavalca? 22:46:32 <michel_slm> Filipe comaintains our FB packages with me and Davide, and I think has attended here before since we're interested in golang and rust packages for epel 22:47:14 <michel_slm> @pgreco beardless Dcavalca 😅 22:47:30 <pgreco> hehehe 22:47:51 <filbranden> I'm dcavalca's minion... :-p 22:48:01 <tdawson> michel_slm: Thanks for the heads up. We'll be sure to treat them well. 22:48:21 <pgreco> the good thing is that he doesn't know what that means ;) 22:48:28 <King_InuYasha> hey filbranden 22:48:34 <tdawson> nirik: I think you are next.\ 22:48:38 <filbranden> Hey Neal! 22:49:10 <nirik> oh yeah, so... is there any chance we could move this meeting to not be on friday? ;) 22:49:39 <pgreco> +10000000000000000 22:49:59 <tdawson> nirik: It's been a year. I'm ok with going through the "lets find a good time" routine 22:50:07 <nirik> I'm often off on fridays, holidays often hit on them, and our team is thinking of trying to do 'no meeting fridays' 22:50:10 <pgreco> it was hard to find this slot, but we can revisit I guess 22:50:21 <smooge> so I was thinking we should move these to monday 22:50:22 <nirik> yeah, I know it's hard. 22:50:32 <smooge> its not like anyone takes those days off or any holidays 22:51:08 <tdawson> It is rather odd, that people take fridays off, but not mondays (usually) 22:51:32 <michel_slm> 'I hate Mondays' vs 'tgif' 22:51:35 <smooge> we all take monday off once and regret the continaul catching up from then 22:51:57 <tdawson> Yep 22:51:58 <smooge> taking monday off just makes tuesday twice as bad 22:52:17 * King_InuYasha cries at his calendar on Mondays and Tuesdays 22:52:22 <tdawson> Are you ok with me starting the process off via email? 22:52:40 <nirik> yeah, +1 22:52:40 <michel_slm> Sounds good to me 22:52:46 <nirik> and thanks for being willing to try. :) 22:52:48 <King_InuYasha> I'm good with that too 22:52:57 <King_InuYasha> though I can't promise a better time slot for me :( 22:53:00 <pgreco> what was the tool we used last time? 22:53:30 <tdawson> I'll have to look through the emails to see what the tool was. 22:54:03 <King_InuYasha> probably framadate? 22:54:04 <tdawson> On a related topic, before we run out of time, I'm not going to be here next friday ... well, it's possible, but extremely unlikely. 22:54:12 <King_InuYasha> oh? 22:54:21 <smooge> well thats good because we are moving the meeting 22:54:36 <tdawson> *laughs* 22:54:44 <tdawson> Yep, it's framadate 22:55:26 <tdawson> I'm taking most of next week off and might be out of town, though that depends on the weather. 22:56:00 <smooge> oh that sounds good 22:56:09 <smooge> I can run next weeks meeting 22:56:13 <smooge> if that is ok 22:56:22 <tdawson> smooge: I'm great with that. 22:56:39 <pgreco> thanks smooge 22:56:55 * smooge promises to Al Haig while tdawson is out 22:57:32 <King_InuYasha> I'll probably be out the week after next 22:57:40 <tdawson> awesome, thanks smooge 22:57:45 <King_InuYasha> I'm planning on taking PTO and trying to relax a smidgen 22:57:54 <smooge> do you know how to relax? 22:57:56 <King_InuYasha> the last two months has kind of sucked a bit 22:58:05 <King_InuYasha> smooge: I'm not sure, but I keep trying! 22:58:16 <smooge> does that mean just half the 400% you normally do? 22:58:29 <King_InuYasha> hah 22:58:33 * nirik is on pto today and it's my last day of 2020 vacation. :) still have all of this years... :( 22:58:33 <King_InuYasha> perhaps 22:59:11 <smooge> well have fun and don't do what we do 22:59:25 <smooge> which is attend meetings and answer tickets when we are on PTO 22:59:31 <King_InuYasha> haha 22:59:42 <King_InuYasha> well, if I just don't do $DAYJOB stuff, then I'll be happier 23:00:13 <smooge> so I think we are at the top of the meeting hour and have exhausted Open Floor 23:00:19 <tdawson> Well, our time is up. Thank you everyone for being here 23:00:33 * smooge starts his coup detat early 23:00:35 <tdawson> I'll talk to you all in two weeks, if not sooner. 23:00:38 <pgreco> thanks everybody 23:00:43 <smooge> see you all 23:00:45 <tdawson> #endmeeting