17:00:46 #startmeeting fedora-server 17:00:46 Meeting started Wed Apr 21 17:00:46 2021 UTC. 17:00:46 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:00:46 The chair is pboyHB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:46 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-server' 17:00:54 hi everyone! 17:01:02 As usual we should give a few minutes for folks to show up 17:01:12 #info please say either .hello2 or .hello (the latter if your nick here is not your fasname) 17:01:20 I’ll post the agenda in a few minutes. 17:04:01 .hi 17:04:03 dcavalca: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' 17:04:54 dcavalca: Welcome! 17:05:44 Today, obviously er are not overcrowded 17:06:04 yeah, looks pretty quiet 17:06:17 anyway, let's try 17:06:25 #topic Agenda 17:06:34 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/OXWV357OY4ZCC4EFNPU3H4HZRRQIHVZS/ 17:06:42 1. Welcome 17:06:48 2. Agenda 17:06:55 3. PRD Update second pass 17:07:03 4. Fedora release criteria and process 17:07:11 5. Planing for next Fedora release 17:07:18 6. Open Floor 17:07:33 Any additions? 17:07:44 .hello astra 17:07:44 Astranox: astra 'David Kaufmann' 17:07:49 lgtm 17:08:22 #topic PRD update second pass 17:08:32 #link https://hackmd.io/@x3mboy/HyB92cVl_ 17:09:00 A few remarks beforehand 17:09:09 It is primarily about the arguments, less about the phrasing. But the latter is of course also welcome. 17:10:47 We have to check whether the reworked version is what we had decided in our previous sessions. 17:11:36 The floor is open :-) 17:12:14 Hello! 17:12:19 I'm here for one of this! 17:19:39 Obviously no comments. 17:19:49 Let's see at section 3 17:20:06 I would like to adopt x3mboy's wording for the 2nd paragraph. Objections? 17:21:38 +1 17:22:04 OK. No objections. Will then amend the section accordingly. 17:22:30 shoud word feature be features ? 17:22:41 features 17:22:44 #agreed: Section 3, 2. paragraph x3mboy's alternative. 17:23:05 I missed a "s" 17:24:01 Changed it to features 17:24:51 But I would like to keep the 3. pragraph 17:25:19 Probably the wording must get refinded, of course. 17:27:24 Ok. I see no objections 17:27:54 #greed: we keep section3, 3. paragraph 17:28:17 Section 3.1, topic 6 17:29:14 i would like to stress the argument, that the short release cycle ist not a disadvantage bat has it's advantages. 17:30:16 Maybe we leave that to the final wording 17:31:12 I can reword that 17:31:33 x3mboy: +1 17:32:12 Currently I see no further objections of comments, so I would like to agree this versions. 17:33:18 +1 17:33:25 +1 17:33:33 #agreed: PRD document, arguments as version 2021-04-20 17:33:34 +1 17:33:47 Another issue: Back in December, we had 3 people appointed for the editorial team, langdon, m3xboy and me. 17:34:07 Unfortunately, langdon never managed to participate. So we lost our ‚native speaker‘. 17:34:24 We now urgently need reinforcement for the final editing / wording. 17:34:33 Who could do it? 17:34:59 also can you call on the Docs group to help as well 17:36:06 I often hear: If the server WG can't do it itself, it's not a WG.... 17:36:27 We should try to do it ourself, at least mostly. 17:37:54 But it would possibly be a stopgap solution. 17:39:01 Another possibility to postpone the matter until the release of F34 17:39:48 At present, the release challenges many forces. 17:42:17 OK, we'll postpone the final wording and ask the Docs group if necessary 17:42:58 #topic Fedora release criteria and process 17:43:50 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/GSJM6TE76QKSNPNU7EX63AATOB4ZP5IU/ 17:44:45 The issue is, currently recommended packages are not included in the full installation iso (due to limited capacity of DVDs) we had a serious bug in Cockpit. 17:44:58 This raises further questions. For example, a different installation may result depending on which of the iso's is used. 17:45:58 The recommended tag may now be used more frequently to allow smaller containers, for example. 17:46:31 How can we deal with it? 17:47:00 Stephen made some suggestions. 17:47:25 pboyHB: yeah I think Stephen is right, we need to update comps to get the missing package always included 17:47:58 Yes, but how to compensate the space issue? 17:48:38 oh it was already taken care of: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/647 17:48:49 pboyHB: yeah, I don't have a good answer there 17:48:54 what space issue? 17:49:07 Maybe we can omit some of the installation options 17:49:27 Southern_Gentlem: Theiso must not be bigger as a DVD 17:49:32 only use a netinstall 17:50:16 netinstall my raise issues for first installation and tricky internet connection 17:50:56 But perhaps we can recommend netinstall until the issue is fixed 17:51:42 so adding the i3 has increased the space requirment ? 17:52:24 Is i2 added to server iso? I think we are text only and Cockpit 17:53:32 There were problems to get the server installation on a DVD size before i3 came uo, as I know (therefore skipping recommended) 17:54:03 I see time is running out 17:54:07 so what made the iso go up to 4.7G current f34b has 2.1 17:54:44 We should continue this topic next meeting. 17:55:13 Southern_Gentlem: I don't know details. I just followed Stephen 17:55:31 #topic Open Floor 17:55:53 Most important: Chair for next meeting? (I forgot that last time) 17:57:44 Copperi, may I ask you? You already did it. 18:00:34 OK, I see, chair stays with me. 18:01:11 Many thanks to all. See you next Wednesday. 18:01:46 Maybe we still meet on #fedora-server 18:01:56 #endmeeting